Second blitz at end of game

[NoSaint]

6 minutes ago, HoofHearted said:

Tell me why. What schematically or situationally made it a bad call?

A first ends the game without Josh touching the ball. A blitz that’s all or nothing increases the odds of that first. Even a kick with 40 seconds and a timeout isn’t catastrophic- only a first down is.

[GoBills808]

5 minutes ago, HoofHearted said:

Tell me why. What schematically or situationally made it a bad call?

I don't even know if we have a zero blitz package that doesn't leave someone who isn't a great cover DB in man w the injuries

 

I think a lot of it honestly is bad luck. Wilson's deep ball vs Johnson goes for DPI, Allen's deep ball to Diggs vs iirc Jets gets picked... sometimes the play gets made and sometimes it doesn't

[Mango]

The 12 guys on the field and same exact defensive call 2 plays in a row is what soured me on McD. Just, like, he did everything pretty much right all game long on his side of the ball. And to just botch those things.

 

Then everybody’s pressers? And the QB isn’t playing well. Nobody is hearing what the coaches are saying.

 

Maybe Brady turns this thing around on offense. But right now my money is on that he’s lost the locker room or very close to it. I think his message has gone stale.

Edited November 15, 2023 by Mango

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, NoSaint said:

A first ends the game without Josh touching the ball. A blitz that’s all or nothing increases the odds of that first. Even a kick with 40 seconds and a timeout isn’t catastrophic- only a first down is.

Valid

[Dr.Sack]

I love the blitz. Try to force Wilson into a turnover.  

[Snappysnackcakes]

LOL. Dude, what is going on in your head? You obviously understand traits and tendencies, based on a few responses in this thread. Calling two almost full-house blitzes in a row is not wise. I’m not gonna argue this stuff any longer - you win! Just like “Big Brain Sean” won the game last night…because if it had been an incompletion, an incompletion with one nickel back in coverage, because did I mention the whole almost full- house blitz two plays in a row thing would’ve been universally recognized by the football talking heads as “ brilliant playcalling…?” So, you go ahead and live in your world and I’ll reside in football reality. Deal? 

[HoofHearted]

2 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

A first ends the game without Josh touching the ball. A blitz that’s all or nothing increases the odds of that first. Even a kick with 40 seconds and a timeout isn’t catastrophic- only a first down is.

How so? Do you know the completion rate of the ball that was thrown?

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

Wilson no longer had to fear the turnover the same being out of fg range. It allowed him to throw a lob that he couldn’t the play prior. It’s chess vs checkers. 
 

a sack was bad but not the end of the world the play prior so eating the blitz instead of game planning a PI was a shift between the two presnap even.

That ball was a prayer , a lollipop

 

It's literally all on Taron Johnson not executing his technique and then also not being able to locate the ball..  his job is not that hard on the play for being asked to hold up for 2 seconds

[par73]

It is bad because it is a repeat call-- and the D-Line struggles to get home, even when sending everyone.

[HoofHearted]

3 minutes ago, Mango said:

The 12 guys on the field and same exact defensive call 2 plays in a row is what soured me on McD. Just, like, he did everything pretty much right all game long on his side of the ball. And to just botch those things.

 

Then everybody’s pressers? And the QB isn’t playing well.

 

Maybe Brady turns this thing around on offense. But right now my money is on that he’s lost the locker room or very close to it. I think his message has gone stale.

It wasn’t the same call. They ran two different pressures. The first set up the second.

[GoBills808]

5 minutes ago, HoofHearted said:

How so? Do you know the completion rate of the ball that was thrown?

I figure 3rd and 10 from the 45 they'd be willing to take 5-7 yards and try the FG

 

[HoofHearted]

7 minutes ago, Snappysnackcakes said:

LOL. Dude, what is going on in your head? You obviously understand traits and tendencies, based on a few responses in this thread. Calling two almost full-house blitzes in a row is not wise. I’m not gonna argue this stuff any longer - you win! Just like “Big Brain Sean” won the game last night…because if it had been an incompletion, an incompletion with one nickel back in coverage, because did I mention the whole almost full- house blitz two plays in a row thing would’ve been universally recognized by the football talking heads as “ brilliant playcalling…?” So, you go ahead and live in your world and I’ll reside in football reality. Deal? 

I’m simply asking you to back up your OP, but instead you’ve just floundered around and become defensive.

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

I figure 3rd and 10 from the 45 they'd be willing to take 5-7 yards and try the FG

 

And if we sat back in zone they probably would have. By blitzing we forced them into making a low percentage throw. It didn’t work in our favor. Doesn’t make it a bad call though.

[Nextmanup]

1 hour ago, HoofHearted said:

If we get a second sack is it a terrible call?

It doesn't work that way.  You don't get to judge coaching decisions based on the outcome of plays.  

 

You can only judge a decision at the time it was made.

 

People have been talking all day about this idiotic decision by McDermott, precisely because it inherently puts the Bills defense in a vulnerable position, and opens the door for a good coach/QB to exploit you.

 

It was on its face the wrong decision at the time the decision was made.

 

 

[NoSaint]

9 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

That ball was a prayer , a lollipop

 

It's literally all on Taron Johnson not executing his technique and then also not being able to locate the ball..  his job is not that hard on the play for being asked to hold up for 2 seconds

payton is notorious for calling 4 verticals against that 

 

given our secondary and their receivers they pre snap can call the lollipop and know there is a decent chance the DB will not execute on the level of the WR. 
 

we begged them to target our weakness with the not unlikely result being we never touch the ball again.

[Buffalo716]

Just now, NoSaint said:

payton is notorious for calling 4 verticals against that 

 

given our secondary and their receivers they pre snap can call the lollipop and know there is a decent chance the DB will not execute on the level of the WR. 
 

we begged them to target our weakness with the not unlikely result being we never touch the ball again.

Taron Johnson has been a starter here for five seasons

 

The players on the team call him the best slot corner in the NFL

 

He's not a bum

[GoBills808]

5 minutes ago, HoofHearted said:

I’m simply asking you to back up your OP, but instead you’ve just floundered around and become defensive.

And if we sat back in zone they probably would have. By blitzing we forced them into making a low percentage throw. It didn’t work in our favor. Doesn’t make it a bad call though.

I don't know if it was good or bad, just higher variance

 

For a coach who has been hammering on complementary football it seemed a little out of character

[HoofHearted]

2 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

It doesn't work that way.  You don't get to judge coaching decisions based on the outcome of plays.  

 

You can only judge a decision at the time it was made.

 

People have been talking all day about this idiotic decision by McDermott, precisely because it inherently puts the Bills defense in a vulnerable position, and opens the door for a good coach/QB to exploit you.

 

It was on its face the wrong decision at the time the decision was made.

 

 

That was my entire point… lol

 

 But I’ll play. What was the better call?

[Thrivefourfive]

The first blitz was all out prison break. It’s like.. why didn’t they do that all game?! But, like a solid high school coach calling a defense against a green freshman QB, McDermott does it again, and the veteran Super Bowl winning quarterback and the veteran Super Bowl winning HC/OC played him like the dummy he is. McDermott, his staff, and this team are a bunch of clowns right now. Literally the joke of the NFL. Nice. 
 

If anyone thinks there was a better option that Russ should’ve executed, boy. He did exactly would was needed on that play, all things considered. 
 

Seriously, the what-if excuses around here. Here’s a what-if, Jeudy would’ve scored EASILY with a better throw. Russ had time to throw it 40yds, he had time to throw it 50.. he just didn’t. The blitz did not shorten that throw by ten yards. Imagine if Jeudy scores…. Like he “should have”.

[HoofHearted]

7 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

payton is notorious for calling 4 verticals against that 

 

given our secondary and their receivers they pre snap can call the lollipop and know there is a decent chance the DB will not execute on the level of the WR. 
 

we begged them to target our weakness with the not unlikely result being we never touch the ball again.

You throw a back shoulder to draw dpi. You throw a “lollipop” out of desperation. Don’t give the Broncos more credit than they deserve…

[NoSaint]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

Taron Johnson has been a starter here for five seasons

 

The players on the team call him the best slot corner in the NFL

 

He's not a bum

no one called him a bum. 
 

it was fairly pointed out that in the 2023 nfl against a quality set of WRs all on islands without safety help that one of their guys would get a step. Once that happens it’s near lights out as a quality wr will often be able to get that call once they have a step on a corner on an island. 
 

Whether jeudy or Sutton - they were lobbing that ball to the one they liked the mismatch on. And it worked exactly as schemed. Even one deep safety makes that a much riskier throw. Zero blitz? It was out of his hands before they even snapped the ball. Good coach and qb don’t have to think twice on that read there.