Is Dawson Knox is much more important to this team than we ever thought?

[transplantbillsfan]

Knox injured his wrist against the Jags.  He played 2 more games before going on IR, but admitted he was basically a shell of himself.  3 games since.

 

The entire offseason this offense practiced 12 personnel as our primary offense and it sure looked good weeks 2-4.

 

I keep going back to a podcast by Joe Marino of Locked On Bills sometime over the last few months (can't remember when) about the common misconception about 11 vs. 12 personnel.  It boils down to the fact that teams are actually much more successful passing the ball from 12 and much more successful running from 11.  Maybe someone can remember the episode and post it, but it made perfect sense even though it's the opposite of many would think.

 

So with Knox out at least 1 (?) more game, is he really the cog the offense is missing?  He's also Josh Allen's BFF... might be another component.  

[JerseyBills]

Yes. Ppl severely downplaying his impact because Kincaid is an elite pass catcher

[Chaos]

14 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Knox injured his wrist against the Jags.  He played 2 more games before going on IR, but admitted he was basically a shell of himself.  3 games since.

 

The entire offseason this offense practiced 12 personnel as our primary offense and it sure looked good weeks 2-4.

 

I keep going back to a podcast by Joe Marino of Locked On Bills sometime over the last few months (can't remember when) about the common misconception about 11 vs. 12 personnel.  It boils down to the fact that teams are actually much more successful passing the ball from 12 and much more successful running from 11.  Maybe someone can remember the episode and post it, but it made perfect sense even though it's the opposite of many would think.

 

So with Knox out at least 1 (?) more game, is he really the cog the offense is missing?  He's also Josh Allen's BFF... might be another component.  

Interesting take you might be right

[billsfan_34]

I had these same thoughts the past few weeks.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

I think they have found some other players to step in and fill the void of dropping passes

[Rew]

Knox is still by far our best tight end (with respect to all the things the role provides)

 

Edit:  Kincaid is a better receiver and should be on the field, but to the OP's point, Knox being injured/out has had a significant negative impact on the O.

Edited November 14, 2023 by Rew

[MWK]

No. Knox is wildly overpaid and not that good.

[MPL]

I think the actual Bills never made it to England...

Their plane crashed on a mysterious island inhabited by a smoke monster and a group of scientists trying to uncover the island's secrets. No one knows where they are. You might even say they are LOST. Josh Allen is undoubtedly involved in a love triangle with Stefon Diggs and Evangeline Lilly. The NFL, trying to cover everything up, has found doppelgangers for everyone on the team, and while they resemble the actual Bills players and coaches, they're actually very bad at football. 

Dorsey's doppelganger was killed fired for threatening to reveal the coverup. 

Oh, except Gabe Davis somehow made it back and is still just bad at catching footballs. 

[Niagara Dude]

33 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Knox injured his wrist against the Jags.  He played 2 more games before going on IR, but admitted he was basically a shell of himself.  3 games since.

 

The entire offseason this offense practiced 12 personnel as our primary offense and it sure looked good weeks 2-4.

 

I keep going back to a podcast by Joe Marino of Locked On Bills sometime over the last few months (can't remember when) about the common misconception about 11 vs. 12 personnel.  It boils down to the fact that teams are actually much more successful passing the ball from 12 and much more successful running from 11.  Maybe someone can remember the episode and post it, but it made perfect sense even though it's the opposite of many would think.

 

So with Knox out at least 1 (?) more game, is he really the cog the offense is missing?  He's also Josh Allen's BFF... might be another component.  

No because they sucked in games he was available and sucked last season in games he played in.  This team does not have enough elite talent,  outside Allen/Diggs there are no positions that have elite players at and Beane has made a freaking mess with overpaying fringe players. Poyer/Hyde are mediocre talented safeties both making great money.  As for Knox,  his cap number in 2024 will be 14 mllion,  that is stupid cap management.

 

I said before the season that I was worried about this team because they struggled almost all last season and Beane did next to nothing adding new play makers.  

[dorquemada]

Knox is at his best when he is being a nursemaid to Spencer Brown.  Kincaid isn't that guy, but SB can't be on his own out there

[What a Tuel]

2 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

No because they sucked in games he was available and sucked last season in games he played in.  This team does not have enough elite talent,  outside Allen/Diggs there are no positions that have elite players at and Beane has made a freaking mess with overpaying fringe players. Poyer/Hyde are mediocre talented safeties both making great money.  As for Knox,  his cap number in 2024 will be 14 mllion,  that is stupid cap management.

 

I said before the season that I was worried about this team because they struggled almost all last season and Beane did next to nothing adding new play makers.  

 

The idea that they struggled offensively is silly and not accurate. I know people want to call the eye test or whatever, but its just not accurate.

 

The last 8 games they were scoring nearly 30 points a game and went 7-1 (would've been 8-0 without the Allen fumble against the vikings).

[CincyBillsFan]

20 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

I think they have found some other players to step in and fill the void of dropping passes

Overly simplistic take on what Knox did for the offense.  Sure his drops were a problem but he did make tough catches, especially near the goal line, as well.  And the guy could generate some serious YAC with his imitation Angry Man runs.  But most of all we probably miss his blocking.

 

 

[BuffaloBillyG]

Knox is the epitome of "jack of all trades- master of none"

 

He does everything that a typical starting TE should be able to do. The biggest problem is he's average in all aspects but paid like a top guy at the position. 

 

The one thing he does have is the ability for those "angry runs" that get some people pulling for him more. He's quite literally the Gabe Davis of TEs.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

I think the offense is considerably more predictable with him out.  

Just now, BuffaloBillyG said:

Knox is the epitome of "jack of all trades- master of none"

 

He does everything that a typical starting TE should be able to do. The biggest problem is he's average in all aspects but paid like a top guy at the position. 

 

The one thing he does have is the ability for those "angry runs" that get some people pulling for him more. He's quite literally the Gabe Davis of TEs.

 

His hands have been poor all year.  He has a knack for making that big play on 3rd down or whatever though.  

[Aussie Joe]

I hope he isn’t too important… because they will be moving on from him at the end of next year ..

[ngbills]

No and no. Kincaid essentially has replaced Knox. He is a piece they can use but not a reason why they are struggling. 

[strive_for_five_guy]

27 minutes ago, MPL said:

I think the actual Bills never made it to England...

Their plane crashed on a mysterious island inhabited by a smoke monster and a group of scientists trying to uncover the island's secrets. No one knows where they are. You might even say they are LOST. Josh Allen is undoubtedly involved in a love triangle with Stefon Diggs and Evangeline Lilly. The NFL, trying to cover everything up, has found doppelgangers for everyone on the team, and while they resemble the actual Bills players and coaches, they're actually very bad at football. 

Dorsey's doppelganger was killed fired for threatening to reveal the coverup. 

Oh, except Gabe Davis somehow made it back and is still just bad at catching footballs. 

This is an amazing theory 😂😂😂

[MPL]

27 minutes ago, MPL said:

I think the actual Bills never made it to England...

Their plane crashed on a mysterious island inhabited by a smoke monster and a group of scientists trying to uncover the island's secrets. No one knows where they are. You might even say they are LOST. Josh Allen is undoubtedly involved in a love triangle with Stefon Diggs and Evangeline Lilly. The NFL, trying to cover everything up, has found doppelgangers for everyone on the team, and while they resemble the actual Bills players and coaches, they're actually very bad at football. 

Dorsey's doppelganger was killed fired for threatening to reveal the coverup. 

Oh, except Gabe Davis somehow made it back and is still just bad at catching footballs. 

Oh, and at the end of the season, everyone will wonder if the team was actually just in purgatory the entire time. But the twist is that we, the fans, are the ones in purgatory. 

[ALLinALLEN]

Outside of blocking I don't see how losing him would cause this team to score only 1 td while leading in the last 24 quarters (saw this stat somewhere). Especially with Kincaid playing great. 

[JohnBonhamRocks]

34 minutes ago, MPL said:

I think the actual Bills never made it to England...

Their plane crashed on a mysterious island inhabited by a smoke monster and a group of scientists trying to uncover the island's secrets. No one knows where they are. You might even say they are LOST. Josh Allen is undoubtedly involved in a love triangle with Stefon Diggs and Evangeline Lilly. The NFL, trying to cover everything up, has found doppelgangers for everyone on the team, and while they resemble the actual Bills players and coaches, they're actually very bad at football. 

Dorsey's doppelganger was killed fired for threatening to reveal the coverup. 

Oh, except Gabe Davis somehow made it back and is still just bad at catching footballs.