Do you want Sean McDermott to be the head coach of the 2024 Buffalo Bills?

[Mr. WEO]

[skibum]

Yes, honestly. Maybe it would be better if he was just the DC, but I think he's clearly built a winning culture, which is huge. And I don't know where everyone gets off blaming him for dropped balls, interceptions, fumbles and missed tackles. It's not an NFL head coach's job to teach fundamentals - this isn't Pop Warner. No, McD is not the best situational strategist, but his defense has performed admirably this year in the wake of a massive wave of injuries, plus their having to spend 2/3 of every game on the field because the O can't hold onto the ball. 

 

I am fully willing to accept that the troubles on Offense are more on Dorsey and the players than McDermott. If you want to fire McDermott for hiring Dorsey and other sub-standard assistants in the first place, I guess that's one way to look at it. But I don't blame him for the poor performance on the field. 

 

And I can't believe everyone is acting like the 12 men on the field thing is the reason why the Bills lost the game last night. It's like blaming Scott Norwood for losing SB 25 to Jeff Hostetler's Giants. 

[ProcessImproverMan]

If he were to become available, it would be great if Pegula went all in on hiring Harbaugh out of Michigan. Dude resurrected Alex Smiths career, got Kaepernick paid and actually had his team , the 49ers, in a Super Bowl where they pretty much lost because the league wanted the Ravens to win in Ray Lewis's final season. The Super Bowl was very close and basically one or two plays cost them. His 49ers team also almost went to a back to back super bowl but lost on a final play against the champion Seahawks......McDermott has never come this close.

 

Plus Harbaugh is willing to cheat if necessary and seeing as the league doesn't really care about punishing cheating (or else the Pats would have been stripped of super bowls and the league wouldn't be so hard in favoring the Chiefs right now such as in the Vikings game) , I say give it a try. Precedent is if we get caught later, as long as the super bowl trophy is ours, ***** don't matter. Allen and the Bills will then be much more marketable. Eric Cartman made a valid point about cheating in South Park and I say we take this up if necessary ..

[Billsatlastin2018]

2 hours ago, Herc11 said:

I don't want him as the HC in '23 either

 

I was good to go… right here!

 

 

 

[Ballhawk]

So let me get this straight, everyone wants to fire the coach that has taken us to the playoffs 5 out of 6 years and won the division 3 years in a row all because we are 5 - 5 just over the halfway mark this year (who has a .639 winning %).

 

I believe McDermott is a victim of his own success as Bills fans now expect so much more. Late 90's, 00's and 10's fans be like D amn you be upset because of what now !!!

 

Holly recency bias Batman!  

[corta765]

His time has come and passed. He still drives the ship and the offense certainly felt his influence this year and in general the team seems to no longer be responding to him.

 

24' offseason will realistically define what happens to Allen long term in terms of talent around him. He is in the prime of his career and probably has 5-6 good-great years left before hitting 33-34 when QBs really start to slow. They have 9 picks and can open upwards of 40-50 mil in capspace while realistically letting some long term vets leave also. At this point I don't think McD should get another kick at the can with that type of resources to reshape the roster and coach. You can finally get an offensive head coach to see if they can max what Josh does and the offense rather then risking every few years a new OC whether fired or hired elsewhere. 

 

All of that mixed with it looks like the program is past its prime and Marvin Lewis esq in terms of ceiling makes me want to do the change when it still is prime.

[Ballhawk]

I think he's (McD) a top rate defensive mind and just needs a really strong up and coming OC to complement him. I think the dropoff from Daboll to Dorsey was bigger than we wanted to admit. Let's face it, it was such a nice narrative to have continuity between Allen and Dorsey. 

 

As much as McDermott is not perfect, I think he's good enough with the right OC and personnel. One more year's worth of draft picks with an established OC would be my preference. Also, Beane/McD seem like a package deal and I'm not sure I'm ready to start anew (remembering past GMs and coaches makes me think we're better with the devil we know).

 

Edited November 14, 2023 by Ballhawk

[DCBongo]

Dorsey is gone.  No more blame the OC. McD ought to give someone the defense on game day and he should focus on being the head coach.  Let's see what happens on Sunday, if he can turn chicken sh$t into chicken salad then we will know what the problem was.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

3 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

We will find out if Dorsey was the problem on offense.  If we don’t see a change after terminating Dorsey, then the house needs to be cleaned.

 

Lotta people gonna be REALLY disappointed when the turnovers continue.

 

 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

2 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

Lotta people gonna be REALLY disappointed when the turnovers continue.

 

 

It’s not going to magically change, he needs more than 6 days in season to put his fingerprints on this offense. Maybe we get lucky.
 

My hope is for a more focused offense and better situational playcalling. 

Edited November 14, 2023 by TheyCallMeAndy

[Gregg]

3 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

Lotta people gonna be REALLY disappointed when the turnovers continue.

 

 

 

This week Allen throws against arguably the best secondary in the NFL led by Sauce and Reed. What could go wrong.

[Bad Things]

Last nights game totally changed my attitude toward McDermott.

It's time for a change.

 

Under Sean, we're only finding more painful ways to lose.  He's done his dash, and it's time to try to find an upgrade.

 

[WinterSoldier17]

 

A coach that shrinks in the biggest moments, makes the wrong call on pivotal plays, and chokes away a talented roster year after year?

 

Who wants that? Or better yet, why would you want more of that? Fans deserve and want better, which would include hoisting the Lombardi one day.

 

NO.

[thenorthremembers]

I said yes.  But if Daboll is fired by the Giants go and get him.    If not wait another year, see if McDermott can turn it around.  If not its new stadium new coach in 2025.

[GunnerBill]

I don't know. I am leaning towards no. In part because this is an old roster and I am at the stage where I don't think we can win with it. So why bother keeping a Head Coach and General Manager who at best would be in the last chance saloon for the start of a reload / mini-rebuild?

 

On McDermott specifically I also think the DC / HC jobshare has been a failure. He is not doing either job as well as he is capable of as a result. And I just don't see him swallowing his pride and giving the play calling up. 

 

I will however repeat I remain sceptical of the view that swap out coaching and everything is rosey. I think the Bills have roster issues and Quarterback who is struggling mentally. I think fresh leadership could trigger a reset. But it is absolutely not a given. 

[MasterStrategist]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I don't know. I am leaning towards no. In part because this is an old roster and I am at the stage where I don't think we can win with it. So why bother keeping a Head Coach and General Manager who at best would be in the last chance saloon for the start of a reload / mini-rebuild?

 

On McDermott specifically I also think the DC / HC jobshare has been a failure. He is not doing either job as well as he is capable of as a result. And I just don't see him swallowing his pride and giving the play calling up. 

 

I will however repeat I remain sceptical of the view that swap out coaching and everything is rosey. I think the Bills have roster issues and Quarterback who is struggling mentally. I think fresh leadership could trigger a reset. But it is absolutely not a given. 

I agree with this.  

 

We are in a transition period with the roster, in 2024.  Alot of critical decisions, likely some vets being let go/not retained.

 

Its a better time to make a head coach switch.  

 

That said, McD is a good defensive coach.  My opinion, but he's held together a group that's had unbelievable injuries to key players/groomed a new starting MLB, and we lacked speed already in the secondary.  He has his flaws, gets too aggressive/veteran players sometimes given roles over younger, more talented players (he'd rather have assigment sound players).  I think we would have seen a top 5 unit, if we stayed healthy.

 

But the tradeoff is much greater to find an offensive minded head coach, and get a fresh def coordinator (more options there)

[Royale with Cheese]

7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I don't know. I am leaning towards no. In part because this is an old roster and I am at the stage where I don't think we can win with it. So why bother keeping a Head Coach and General Manager who at best would be in the last chance saloon for the start of a reload / mini-rebuild?

 

On McDermott specifically I also think the DC / HC jobshare has been a failure. He is not doing either job as well as he is capable of as a result. And I just don't see him swallowing his pride and giving the play calling up. 

 

I will however repeat I remain sceptical of the view that swap out coaching and everything is rosey. I think the Bills have roster issues and Quarterback who is struggling mentally. I think fresh leadership could trigger a reset. But it is absolutely not a given. 

 

What did you think about sending the house on that 3rd and 10?  It was stupid wasn't it?  I generally am not too emotional during Bills games, I mean I celebrate TD's but when a bad play happens, I just roll my eyes....when I saw McDermott bringing everyone - I screamed profanity so loud my dogs thought they were in trouble.

[CodeMonkey]

My answer is no, but only if they can lock in someone who has a solid chance of being better.

Firing anyone without that, even todays, is stupid without someone better to step in.  

The BS firing today satisfies some fans blood lust, nothing more.

Edited November 14, 2023 by CodeMonkey

[GunnerBill]

8 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

What did you think about sending the house on that 3rd and 10?  It was stupid wasn't it?  I generally am not too emotional during Bills games, I mean I celebrate TD's but when a bad play happens, I just roll my eyes....when I saw McDermott bringing everyone - I screamed profanity so loud my dogs thought they were in trouble.

 

Yep. Awful call. 

[BillMafia716ix]

3 hours ago, Negan said:

Zero percent eh?

 

I'm guessing with a loss to the Jets this week, and a trouncing by the Eagles the following Sunday, he could get fired at the bye week.

Nope won’t happen.