Do you want Sean McDermott to be the head coach of the 2024 Buffalo Bills?

[Shaw66]

On 11/14/2023 at 12:07 PM, Logic said:

I'm trying to get a feel for where Bills fans stand on this issue this morning.

Simple Yes or No question.

80-20 no.  Astounding to me.

[Buffalo Super Fan]

I wanted Sean McDermott fired after the .13 seconds Kansas City Chiefs playoff game. It’s been all downhill from there for the Buffalo Bills in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

[Wayne Arnold]

2 hours ago, ProcessTruster said:

typlcal poll the day after a tough loss.   results not relevant.  

 

After 20 years of suck, I for one do not want to start over with a new coaching staff , which will lead to a completely re tooled roster, since Beane will probably go with McD.   Which means you are advocating for clearing the building and starting over?   

That is insane.  

 

Replacing the coaching staff does not mean a completely re tooled roster, clearing the building and starting over. That's fear-mongering BS.

 

The groceries are more than sufficient. Just need a new chef.

 

 

1 hour ago, Shaw66 said:

80-20 no.  Astounding to me.

 

Why would you think it's astounding?

 

If you think that's bad just wait until they are eliminated from playoff contention.

 

 

 

Edited November 16, 2023 by Wayne Arnold

[GunnerBill]

26 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Replacing the coaching staff does not mean a completely re tooled roster, clearing the building and starting over. That's fear-mongering BS.

 

The groceries are more than sufficient. Just need a new chef.

 

I don't agree. Sure they COULD run it back maybe 1 more year with this roster but they are fast approaching a reset point. If they want to run it back 1 more year they should retain the regime. If they want to start the reset they should fire them.

 

But in the next 2 years it is conceivable, indeed likely, that Hyde, Poyer, White, Jones, Von Miller, Floyd, Morse, Dawkins and Diggs will have to be replaced. That is not even accounting for the guys who will hit FA. That is a LOT of turnover. If you are going to commit to begin that in earnest this offseaon it makes little sense to do so with this staff IMO. 

 

And I am far from a McDermott and Beane hater. But that is the reality for me. I think this variation of the Bills roster has missed its window. So the question becomes does this regime get the chance to carry out the reset or is it time for fresh voices. I lean toward the latter.

 

[LABILLBACKER]

On 11/14/2023 at 9:47 AM, ngbills said:

They lose to the Jets just fire him now. Heck they lose one more game this year fire him. Only chance for survival is if he wins out and the team shows up like they want to be here. 

I'll give him and the team 2 more loses, but a 9-8 season or worse is unacceptable. 

[Shaw66]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't agree. Sure they COULD run it back maybe 1 more year with this roster but they are fast approaching a reset point. If they want to run it back 1 more year they should retain the regime. If they want to start the reset they should fire them.

 

But in the next 2 years it is conceivable, indeed likely, that Hyde, Poyer, White, Jones, Von Miller, Floyd, Morse, Dawkins and Diggs will have to be replaced. That is not even accounting for the guys who will hit FA. That is a LOT of turnover. If you are going to commit to begin that in earnest this offseaon it makes little sense to do so with this staff IMO. 

 

And I am far from a McDermott and Beane hater. But that is the reality for me. I think this variation of the Bills roster has missed its window. So the question becomes does this regime get the chance to carry out the reset or is it time for fresh voices. I lean toward the latter.

 

I don't know if I agree with your conclusion, but the rest of this is exactly correct.   The future of this team is Josh Allen; he is practically the only guy who will be with the team in five years, and a lot of familiar faces will be gone in the next two to three.  True for every team.  

 

The question is exactly as you say - do you want Beane to assemble the talent coming behind the current talent, and do you want McDermott to coach it.  

 

If I'm answering that question today, I'm keeping Beane and McDermott.  

[Dr. Who]

6 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

I don't know if I agree with your conclusion, but the rest of this is exactly correct.   The future of this team is Josh Allen; he is practically the only guy who will be with the team in five years, and a lot of familiar faces will be gone in the next two to three.  True for every team.  

 

The question is exactly as you say - do you want Beane to assemble the talent coming behind the current talent, and do you want McDermott to coach it.  

 

If I'm answering that question today, I'm keeping Beane and McDermott.  

I understand your predilections and your reasoning. It would be utterly out-of-character for you to come to a different conclusion. I'd prefer to roll the dice on Ben Johnson if they can get him. I wouldn't change the staff just to change, but I'd rather go with an offensive specialist as head coach. This era of football needs excellence and continuity on that side of the field. Defense is still important, but if you have to favor one side, I think it is not the one McDermott prizes.

[GoBills808]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't agree. Sure they COULD run it back maybe 1 more year with this roster but they are fast approaching a reset point. If they want to run it back 1 more year they should retain the regime. If they want to start the reset they should fire them.

 

But in the next 2 years it is conceivable, indeed likely, that Hyde, Poyer, White, Jones, Von Miller, Floyd, Morse, Dawkins and Diggs will have to be replaced. That is not even accounting for the guys who will hit FA. That is a LOT of turnover. If you are going to commit to begin that in earnest this offseaon it makes little sense to do so with this staff IMO. 

 

And I am far from a McDermott and Beane hater. But that is the reality for me. I think this variation of the Bills roster has missed its window. So the question becomes does this regime get the chance to carry out the reset or is it time for fresh voices. I lean toward the latter.

 

It's not complicated for me

 

McDermott took over a perpetual .500ish franchise and got them to buy into the process of becoming a good team. He was gifted a top QB and as many resources on the defensive side of the ball ask an HC could possibly ask for. During his tenure the Bills have had great regular season success punctuated by baffling playoff exits and are now fumbling toward the middle/bottom of the conference.

 

Nothing screams we must keep this guy at this point imo. He gave it his best shot, on to the next

[Chaos]

19 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

If I'm answering that question today, I'm keeping Beane and McDermott.  

It seems as though McDermott wants to run an offense that someone with Kirk Cousin's skill set works with.  He has no imagination on how to use Allen's considerable skills.  Its a complete mismatch between Allen and McDermott. 

[stuvian]

9 hours ago, Gregg said:

 

A sub-process to help with the process. 

a process so secret, it can only be discussed in a submarine in Buffalo harbour

 

[SoCal Deek]

What are we doing here? You absolutely roll the dice and fire the Head Coach! Is it going to get the Bills where they want to go? Maybe, and maybe not….but we absolutely KNOW that the current guy isn’t going to do it. At least not with the current franchise QB. He’s already changed the OC…twice, the DC and just about everything else that can be changed. If all the money is invested in Josh Allen then you change the ONLY thing that hasn’t been changed yet….and that’s the Head Coach. Period! 

[Wayne Arnold]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't agree. Sure they COULD run it back maybe 1 more year with this roster but they are fast approaching a reset point. If they want to run it back 1 more year they should retain the regime. If they want to start the reset they should fire them.

 

But in the next 2 years it is conceivable, indeed likely, that Hyde, Poyer, White, Jones, Von Miller, Floyd, Morse, Dawkins and Diggs will have to be replaced. That is not even accounting for the guys who will hit FA. That is a LOT of turnover. If you are going to commit to begin that in earnest this offseaon it makes little sense to do so with this staff IMO. 

 

And I am far from a McDermott and Beane hater. But that is the reality for me. I think this variation of the Bills roster has missed its window. So the question becomes does this regime get the chance to carry out the reset or is it time for fresh voices. I lean toward the latter.

 

 

All of those players (aside from maybe Jones, Dawkins and Diggs) would have to be replaced within the next two years regardless, even if McDermott was guaranteed to be here another 15 years.

 

This is football.

[zow2]

Assuming they don’t go on a miraculous run now,  put me in the camp of replacing McD.  The organization owes it to themselves to see if someone else can get more out of Josh Allen, as he is the ticket to a Championship.  I would not run this back with McDermott again.

[EasternOHBillsFan]

4 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

80-20 no.  Astounding to me.

 

Considering that the Bills have NEVER had a great coach beyond Marv Levy, there is no historically high regard in Buffalo for head coaches. Every single other good head coach we have had since 1965 has been tied to a quarterback incapable of taking the team anywhere- Lou Saban's second stint, Chuck Knox, and Wade Phillips. All the others have been garbage or just plain average. We have NEVER had this problem before in the history of the Buffalo Bills where we've had a great quarterback and a head coach that isn't great, and I don't think you can disagree with me on that. It's not easy to contemplate that McDermott has succeeded because of Josh and not because of his ability, but that's where we are at and why so many of the Mafia are ready to let him go.

[GunnerBill]

39 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

All of those players (aside from maybe Jones, Dawkins and Diggs) would have to be replaced within the next two years regardless, even if McDermott was guaranteed to be here another 15 years.

 

This is football.

 

Jones definitely would. Diggs might be able to play still but he won't be #1 receiver material in 2 more years. Dion has a chance to still be serviceable as a left tackle but he has ongoing weight fluctuations that make me doubt it. 

 

The point is this team WILL lose its core in the next 2 years. It is an old team. So it isn't just a case of needing a new head chef. They need some new ingredients. They could possibly punt one more year but beyond that the surgery on the roster HAS to start in a serious way. 

 

If this was a young team I'd be willing to overlook a playoff miss and keep a guy I think is a good coach and give him another shot. But it isn't. Its core is old. So my view is why not start that surgery and if you are doing that a new regime makes sense - GM and HC.

[Nextmanup]

3 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I'll give him and the team 2 more loses, but a 9-8 season or worse is unacceptable. 

I think 9-7 is the best we'll do; very possibly worse.

 

 

[Chaos]

1 hour ago, Nextmanup said:

I think 9-7 is the best we'll do; very possibly worse.

 

 

are we going to have another cancelled game this year?

[Shaw66]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Jones definitely would. Diggs might be able to play still but he won't be #1 receiver material in 2 more years. Dion has a chance to still be serviceable as a left tackle but he has ongoing weight fluctuations that make me doubt it. 

 

The point is this team WILL lose its core in the next 2 years. It is an old team. So it isn't just a case of needing a new head chef. They need some new ingredients. They could possibly punt one more year but beyond that the surgery on the roster HAS to start in a serious way. 

 

If this was a young team I'd be willing to overlook a playoff miss and keep a guy I think is a good coach and give him another shot. But it isn't. Its core is old. So my view is why not start that surgery and if you are doing that a new regime makes sense - GM and HC.

I agree about the roster turnover.   I'm still in the keep-him camp, but the roster turnover is a good point.  It's going to be a new team with Allen at quarterback, so the question is who is going run the transition to the new roster, and who is going to coach the new roster when it's assembled.  Which means the question is are you going to give McDermott a second shot at building and coaching a winner?  So, put another way, the question facing the Pegulas is this:  Who do you want to coach the next run at success, because this one is ending?  Do you want McDermott, or do you want someone else?  

 

And that raises a second question:  Who is the GM?   Would the Pegulas axe McDermott and keep Beane?  Would Beane want it?   And if the Pegulas believe in McDermott, would they double down on him by keeping him and letting him pick the GM?  

 

One advantage that McBeane have is continuity.   Without knowing, I can guarantee you that Beane and McDermott already have a plan for the roster turnover.   And they aren't thinking of it as a new team - they think of it as a continuation.   The plan identifies the likely year in which guys need to be replaced, whether guys will stay with the team but in a reduced capacity - Dawkins to right tackle, for example.  I mean, I have no idea that Dawkins might become a right tackle - just giving an example.  They know which holes are priorities.  That all goes into their draft planning and their cap planning.  

 

McBeane will have a much better formed idea of how to transition than a new team coming in.   That is, it would be easiest for McBeane to manage the transition you're talking about, and that makes the transition riskier if led by newcomers.  It's why there is a benefit in continuity.   

 

Of course, it doesn't matter if you've just had it with McBeane.  But if the Bills are going to look preliminarily at who's likely to be in the head coach market, they need to ask if any candidate actually will give the Bills a better chance to win.  I don't think it's so obvious that the Bills could hire someone better.   Why?   Because how can the Pegulas tell if any candidate can do an incredibly complex job - assemble talent, including coaching talent, install offenses and defenses, acquire players, develop a winning relationship with Josh, manage games, etc., etc., etc.   There's no way to know.   So, I think that means the Bills might very well see McBeane in a different light - they might decide that McBeane are doing the right things but they haven't succeeded yet.  In that case, they might see McBeane as the best candidates to manage the transition to the new roster.  

 

I know, some people think I'm crazy.  I'm okay with that.  But think about this.  When McDermott and then Beane came in, they actually did it.  Right?   All that stuff - acquire talent and coaching, install offense and defense - they did all that stuff.  They turned a perennial loser into a perennial winner.   They demonstrated that they can do it.  Anyone the Bills hire from the outside has no track record doing that.  And the fact that they built what they built, and they learned what they learned along the way in doing it, means they have a big headstart over someone coming in new.  For McBeane, they've demonstrated they can build to where they did, and now they need to demonstrate they can get to the top.  For every other candidate, he'll have to demonstrate he can build his team and win AND demonstrate that he can get to the top.  

 

That is why Mike Tomlin is still the coach in Pittsburgh.  The Steelers' management strategy is that you hire someone who's good and you go with him for the long-term.  Their strategy is to win based on the advantage that continuity gives them.  

[LabattBlue]

I wish the poll was public. I’d like to see who voted yes to keep him. 
 

BTW…I voted no. 😂

[NastyNateSoldiers]

On 11/14/2023 at 12:34 PM, BillMafia716ix said:

Doesn’t matter what we want. 0% chance he’s getting fired. McDermott is the guy calling the shots in Buffalo. Whatever McDermott wants, he’s going to get. You could tell after McDermott presser last night that changes were going to be made.

If you guys remember when they hired McDermott. They hired him before they hired the GM which was unheard of at the time. McDermott led the GM search. Everything starts with him. Terry has given him the keys. The success the Bills have had in his tenure. He’ll get his opportunity to right the ship. 

 

He actually was hired by his GM which was Doug Whaley at the time and btw that was the best off-season during the McD era! The draft was great Tre, Dawkins & Milano the free agents Hyde and Poyer all 5 of these players are major pieces for this team.  To be honest other then the Josh Allen Pk Beane has been horrible GM. McD is a snake and made sure Whaley was fired after the draft even after the Pegulas had a press conference that offseason stating that Whaley would be given more power and he will lead the search for the new coach . 
 

From 2018 to 2022 Beane hasn’t drafted 1 difference maker other then Josh Allen . That’s horrible and that includes the Defense. He’s had over 40 picks and all he’s good at is finding role players. This team is devoid of top talent and it’s showing. 

On 11/14/2023 at 12:55 PM, Billsflyer12 said:

Bobby Slowik or Ben Johnson.

Add Bienemy and Belicheck to that list.