Straight Hucklebuck Posted November 16, 2023 Posted November 16, 2023 On 11/14/2023 at 11:56 AM, RyanC883 said: This mock draft is awful (for the Bills), but indicates that we will need to either be in the top 15, or trade there, to get a stud WR. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2024-nfl-mock-draft-caleb-williams-should-go-no-1-no-guarantee-he-will-stacked-wr-class-as-8-go-in-round-1/ here is an article on the WRs available and likely to go in the 1st, including those after 15--also nonsense they don't have one to Buffalo: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/2024-nfl-mock-draft-record-breaking-wr-class-dominates-1st-round/ar-AA1jUZkE Enjoy. Who all do you want? Yes, I've seen these mock drafts - so far been defensive heavy - the usual's - corners and DTs. I just can't believe the Bills (if they're being honest) are watching Gabe Davis and saying to themselves, we have to get that guy back as the #2 WR. So Bowers, Nabers, Odunze, Coleman all fall to within <5 picks of where you are and you're not going to do what it takes to move up? It's a hard scenario because we need all the picks we can get to fill out the DTs, Safeties, but my gosh it would be 30-31 year old Stef and again nothing else at WR if the Bills don't draft one high. Quote
dorquemada Posted November 16, 2023 Posted November 16, 2023 8 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Yes, I've seen these mock drafts - so far been defensive heavy - the usual's - corners and DTs. I just can't believe the Bills (if they're being honest) are watching Gabe Davis and saying to themselves, we have to get that guy back as the #2 WR. So Bowers, Nabers, Odunze, Coleman all fall to within <5 picks of where you are and you're not going to do what it takes to move up? It's a hard scenario because we need all the picks we can get to fill out the DTs, Safeties, but my gosh it would be 30-31 year old Stef and again nothing else at WR if the Bills don't draft one high. You hit the nail on the head. I don't think this regime is constitutionally capable of thinking of WR as a high value position. Undersize DL are what you move up in the draft for Quote
mrags Posted November 16, 2023 Posted November 16, 2023 37 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: but what if we lose Leo Floyd, AJE, Daquan and Linval in free agency? Don’t care 1 1 Quote
mrags Posted November 16, 2023 Posted November 16, 2023 39 minutes ago, boyst said: right now it's not the moving up i'm concerned about. i don't see ow chicago wouldn't draft one of the qbs and the giants wouldn't get one, too. #3 Patriots out of the mix for a top 2 QB trading down in the 1st to pickup a QB or anyone else later would be ideal for them to help rebuild. the bears second pick they're going to want to get a WR to pair with their new QB. The packers, rams, titans, skins and bucs would also welcome a top tier WR. nabers, odunze, coleman, and more all may well be fine and good but if i am buffalo i go into this draft hard. i go up and get MH Jr. and come back up to get Coleman. those two with Diggs and Kincaid would be unstoppable. i am 100% that serious and committed to Josh passing. Just saying we have no idea how things will play out yet with draft order. Either of chicagos picks could be top 3. But with the way things are going this season they could be out of the top 5 just as easily. Your assessment of the other teams seems right but I’d say that any team with a new HC, or a HC on the hot seat may not be making moves that you might normally see. For example, if Belicheck gets the boot (highly unlikely imo) I could see a new coach coming in and not caring about what the “experts” say and just drafts a guy at QB and doesn’t risk playing games with trading back. Same thing goes for Belicheck if he’s still here. It’s obvious he’s missed on Jones. If he’s feeling any kind of heat and he even thinks there’s a guy that he wants at QB he might not take the chance of trading back and picking him up later. I think the Rams with Puca Nacua now might be changing the thought they need a WR. of the Bucs resign Evans I’m not sure I see them going that route. And let’s be honest. The Packers. skins, and Titans are all terrible organizations right now and I’m not sure id bet on them making the right picks at this point. that doesn’t meant that someone won’t be trading up into this spots. It’s almost a guarantee that there will be moves in the top 5 and top 10. One of the reasons I wanted to sell a bunch at the deadline. If we could have gotten a 3 for Davis, pair that with the 3 from Tremaine. We might have enough ammo to get up there for a MHJr if he makes it to 5-7 There’s still plenty of football ahead of us. As well as college. For all we know someone drops off the side of a cliff and falls out of top 5 by draft time. All things are possible. 13 minutes ago, dorquemada said: You hit the nail on the head. I don't think this regime is constitutionally capable of thinking of WR as a high value position. Undersize DL are what you move up in the draft for That’s because Mcdummy needs his 18 guy rotation at DL Quote
Gregg Posted November 16, 2023 Posted November 16, 2023 52 minutes ago, dorquemada said: lol i absolutely hate it but you know that Beane will take DL in teh 1st round. hell, he'll probably trade up The only non-WR i would even have them consider is OL, especially if one of the beastly Alabama 350+ guys are around Or secondary help. Who knows if Tre comes back. Poyer and Hyde are over 30. 1 Quote
dorquemada Posted November 16, 2023 Posted November 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Gregg said: Or secondary help. Who knows if Tre comes back. Poyer and Hyde are over 30. Lather, rinse, repeat. The philosophy seems to be, we can only get our DL & CB/S high in the draft, but we can get our WRs late, or off the scrap heap Maybe, and bear with me here, we did the opposite? Just to humor those of us who are watching the NFL in the 2020s and not the 1970s? 1 1 1 Quote
Gregg Posted November 16, 2023 Posted November 16, 2023 Just now, dorquemada said: Lather, rinse, repeat. The philosophy seems to be, we can only get our DL & CB/S high in the draft, but we can get our WRs late, or off the scrap heap Maybe, and bear with me here, we did the opposite? Just to humor those of us who are watching the NFL in the 2020s and not the 1970s? I agree with you, but this is Beane and McDermott we are talking about. You know how Sean loves his defense. 1 1 Quote
Solomon Grundy Posted November 16, 2023 Posted November 16, 2023 Xavier Leggette from South Carolina. Deebo Samuel like. 6’3” 225lbs. 4.29 40 yd dash 2 Quote
mrags Posted November 16, 2023 Posted November 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, Gregg said: I agree with you, but this is Beane and McDermott we are talking about. You know how Sean loves his defense. This is what it’s all about. Mcdummy getting his wish list ready and handing it over to Beane and telling him that’s what he needs to be competitive in this league. As if he hasn’t had his pick of the litter almost every draft and offseason with FAs to fill in his defensive holes that apparently he cannot overcome despite being a defensive minded coach. Fricken joke 1 Quote
Gregg Posted November 16, 2023 Posted November 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, mrags said: This is what it’s all about. Mcdummy getting his wish list ready and handing it over to Beane and telling him that’s what he needs to be competitive in this league. As if he hasn’t had his pick of the litter almost every draft and offseason with FAs to fill in his defensive holes that apparently he cannot overcome despite being a defensive minded coach. Fricken joke You are preaching to the choir here. I think it's time to move on from McDermott, but my opinion is meaningless. Have to wait and see what Terry does. 1 1 Quote
Augie Posted November 16, 2023 Posted November 16, 2023 30 minutes ago, mrags said: Don’t care Honestly, they have done a pretty good job of filling those DL holes, even if on a bunch of one year deals. Marvin Harrison Jr is a stud. If you already have a QB, I don’t see how you pick anyone else in this draft if you have a shot at him. There will be some good WR’s later, of course, but every time I see him he looks like the best player on the field. And it doesn’t seem very close. Quote
mrags Posted November 16, 2023 Posted November 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: Xavier Leggette from South Carolina. Deebo Samuel like. 6’3” 225lbs. 4.29 40 yd dash Seems kinda stiff watching him. I just looked him ip on YouTube. Doesn’t seem like he’s a particularly good route runner. Just a go up and get it guy. I also don’t see how he runs a 4.29. Doesn’t look that fast at all. Quote
dorquemada Posted November 16, 2023 Posted November 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, mrags said: This is what it’s all about. Mcdummy getting his wish list ready and handing it over to Beane and telling him that’s what he needs to be competitive in this league. As if he hasn’t had his pick of the litter almost every draft and offseason with FAs to fill in his defensive holes that apparently he cannot overcome despite being a defensive minded coach. Fricken joke BUT SEAN HOW CAN I BUILD A LEGIT BEND THEN BREAK DEFENSE IF I DONT SPEND ALL MY HIGH DRAFT CAPITAL ON PLAYERS WHO WILL BEND THEN BREAK? 1 Quote
mrags Posted November 16, 2023 Posted November 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Gregg said: You are preaching to the choir here. I think it's time to move on from McDermott, but my opinion is meaningless. Have to wait and see what Terry does. Oh he’s gonna be here next year no doubt. Which is just sad. He’s used all his excuses so let’s see what new excuses he’s got for next year. I’m guessing it’ll be because there’s a new DC and new OC and it’s gonna take a while to “find an identity” 1 Quote
SoCal Deek Posted November 16, 2023 Posted November 16, 2023 As of right now it looks to me like this roster has more holes than the draft picks and cap space that’ll be needed to fill them. They’re going to need a whole bunch of picks and free agents to pan out…in a hurry. Quote
mrags Posted November 16, 2023 Posted November 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, Augie said: Honestly, they have done a pretty good job of filling those DL holes, even if on a bunch of one year deals. Marvin Harrison Jr is a stud. If you already have a QB, I don’t see how you pick anyone else in this draft if you have a shot at him. There will be some good WR’s later, of course, but every time I see him he looks like the best player on the field. And it doesn’t seem very close. Yes. I agree. I hope you’re not confusing me with someone that wants an other terrible DL for McDermott to not play for 3 years until his contract year. Because he doesn’t trust rookies. Quote
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 16, 2023 Posted November 16, 2023 45 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Yes, I've seen these mock drafts - so far been defensive heavy - the usual's - corners and DTs. I just can't believe the Bills (if they're being honest) are watching Gabe Davis and saying to themselves, we have to get that guy back as the #2 WR. So Bowers, Nabers, Odunze, Coleman all fall to within <5 picks of where you are and you're not going to do what it takes to move up? It's a hard scenario because we need all the picks we can get to fill out the DTs, Safeties, but my gosh it would be 30-31 year old Stef and again nothing else at WR if the Bills don't draft one high. That's where the hole's are though. 1 DT, 2 DEs - and only one of those players is on a rookie contract. Safety too. FA will occur prior to the draft and get us a better understanding. I feel like younger WRs are making an impact more and more, so i'd like to see 2 in this draft. We have a lot of picks, just don't want to use a ton of capital to move up. Quote
Alphadawg7 Posted November 16, 2023 Posted November 16, 2023 On 11/14/2023 at 8:56 AM, RyanC883 said: This mock draft is awful (for the Bills), but indicates that we will need to either be in the top 15, or trade there, to get a stud WR. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2024-nfl-mock-draft-caleb-williams-should-go-no-1-no-guarantee-he-will-stacked-wr-class-as-8-go-in-round-1/ here is an article on the WRs available and likely to go in the 1st, including those after 15--also nonsense they don't have one to Buffalo: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/2024-nfl-mock-draft-record-breaking-wr-class-dominates-1st-round/ar-AA1jUZkE Enjoy. Who all do you want? Good news is this that this mock draft won't remotely resemble that actual draft, they never do. So I wouldn't put any stock into where we "need" to be in the draft for X position or player based on early mocks not remotely accurate to what will actually happen. Quote
mrags Posted November 16, 2023 Posted November 16, 2023 Just now, SoCal Deek said: As of right now it looks to me like this roster has more holes than the draft picks and cap space that’ll be needed to fill them. They’re going to need a whole bunch of picks and free agents to pan out…in a hurry. Which is why they should have sold off at the trade deadline. Especially after all the injuries happened. They should have known it wasn’t going to happen this year. But the geniuses at OBD thought that spending additional draft picks and cap space was a good thing. 1 Quote
SoCal Deek Posted November 16, 2023 Posted November 16, 2023 1 minute ago, mrags said: Which is why they should have sold off at the trade deadline. Especially after all the injuries happened. They should have known it wasn’t going to happen this year. But the geniuses at OBD thought that spending additional draft picks and cap space was a good thing. I’m not sure I knew at the time, but signing Von Miller appears to have been a huge mistake that’ll haunt the roster for some years to come. Quote
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