DORSEY FIRED, Joe Brady Interim OC

[jkeerie]

20 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

I love how the national media tries to turn everything into a controversy: https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/11/16/buffalo-bills-joe-brady-josh-allen-best-quarterback-nfl

You mean like this Board?

[Straight Hucklebuck]

They have really painted Dorsey as a flatliner. 

 

A lot of emphasis by McDermott on the 'energy' Joe Brady brings. Now its feeding off Brady's energy.  

 

Instead of Sugar-High Josh, it's been a lot of Sad Josh so far this year, so maybe that helps? But I still think it's an up hill climb with the players on offense. What change in Diggs' and Kincaid's usage will there be under Brady? 

 

One of the ways Dorsey failed was not getting new players involved. Nyheim Hines, 11 touches in 9 games, no good answer as to why that happened? Just he was new and adjusting, meanwhile Josh Dobbs goes right in and wins, Baker Mayfield the year before. That excuse never flew. 

 

And then this year, Beane hands Harty a $9M deal and he gets no touches now, phased out of the offense. It took a year and half to get Shakir on the field (and last year it was garbage in the Bottom 3 - McKenzie, Cole Beasley, John Brown, Jamison Crowder, Jake Kumerow). Trent Sherfield I had no expectations for, but he is playing 16%-20% of snaps and he's a nothing in this offense as well. 

 

I still think we have a group of possession WRs with no speed paired with a QB who wants to throw it. So maybe true motion, more play action, under center looks will help define it better. 

 

Diggs needs 12 targets per game realistically, and Kincaid another 12. Usually there a 40 attempts per game. So over half of the offense needs to be those two. With Shakir and Cook in that order. Phase Gabe Davis out, please. 

 

 

[Logic]

Two things:

One, it's clear to me from Sean McDermott's press conference that he didn't feel that Ken Dorsey was getting the job done from a leadership standpoint, in terms of the things that are "in the margins", as he put it: Execution, ball security, energy, confidence. Whether or not Joe Brady will be an improvement in these areas remains to be seen, but I found that particular comment from McDermott to be very clear in terms of painting a picture of why he fired Dorsey. It was more direct and open than he usually is, I'd say. He left no question as to what one of the main driving forces was in Dorsey's dismissal.

Two....it's gonna be weird as hell if a guy named Brady saves the Bills season and leads them to the playoffs.

[Cray51]

Just putting this out there - Stefan Diggs is one of the most honest and clear leaders I’ve seen in this league in a long time.

 

his presser today was great to see.  He puts all the BS aside.  Pushed back on media narratives, was clear he supports whoever is in charge, was clear that the team wasn’t executing, wants to win, is invested in Buffalo and said “I’m not in charge of my brother, and when have I ever said I wanted out”

 

his interaction at the end with a reporter was great.  Its a must watch if you have 15 minutes

[Steptide]

1 hour ago, stlbills13 said:

I sure hope all this sadness around Dorsey being fired is just because that's how they think they're supposed to act. Diggs is the only one showing a re-energized mindset. 

I didn't love von's comments on it. Basically said "not his fault but someone's gotta take the fall" 

[Don Otreply]

3 hours ago, ddaryl said:

this is the quote that gives me the warmest fuzzy feeling.. Hopefully we will see fruition

https://x.com/sharpndpensel/status/1725204298601058405?s=20

 

 

This right here has the “potential “ to upgrade our offense to a point of being dangerous again, the repeated times that we saw two receivers within five ish yards of each other at the catch point was just an abysmal showing of Dorsey’s inability to either teach his system or simplify it so that it was useful, either way…, 

 

GO BILLS!!!

[TBBills Fan]

18 hours ago, Bimmer323i said:

How can Joe Brady fairly be judged? I mean hell essentially be calling Dorsey’s plays won’t he… I doubt he can install his own system in less than a week

Play calling is the ultimate chess match and is the measuring stick. 

[Peter]

Gabe Davis speaks truths about Dorsey. Unfortunately, some here, on WGR, and McCoach have a narrative they want to push.

 

"We are behind Dorsey 100%"

[TBBills Fan]

On 11/14/2023 at 11:48 AM, appoo said:

Josh is gonna be here another 8-10 years 

I think he retires before that. He may retire after this contract. 

 

I think Dorsey was to close to Josh, and that prohibited Dorsey being able to properly coach and get through to Josh...

 

Honest question, does Josh have that Mahomes and Brady like drive to be the BEST in the world?  Are his day to day actions to do what it takes lacking? 

 

His regression is concerning and it's up to Josh himself to put that Mahomes/Brady/Rice work in off the field and up to the coaches to be the boss to make sure that is happening. 

[blacklabel]

I wonder if Brady will be on the sidelines or in the booth. I'd imagine sidelines given that's where he's been all season. They asked him in his presser and he said there are advantages to both but didn't say where he'd be. 

[Dick_Cheney]

2 hours ago, Cray51 said:

Just putting this out there - Stefan Diggs is one of the most honest and clear leaders I’ve seen in this league in a long time.

 

his presser today was great to see.  He puts all the BS aside.  Pushed back on media narratives, was clear he supports whoever is in charge, was clear that the team wasn’t executing, wants to win, is invested in Buffalo and said “I’m not in charge of my brother, and when have I ever said I wanted out”

 

his interaction at the end with a reporter was great.  Its a must watch if you have 15 minutes

Agreed, his presser was great.

 

I do wish he would tell his brother to shut the ***** up. Maybe he has.

[Cray51]

52 minutes ago, Peter said:

Gabe Davis speaks truths about Dorsey. Unfortunately, some here, on WGR, and McCoach have a narrative they want to push.

 

"We are behind Dorsey 100%"

I mean, it’s not hard to see that it’s not just Dorsey that was the issue.  He was a scapegoat, but a valid scapegoat.

 

you can replace Dorsey, and if you like Brady trust that your team won’t become much worse.  You can’t replace Allen, Davis, Cook, etc and expect their replacements to be better.  Which is why I consider this move an official wake up call to everyone else in the building that no one is safe.  It starts with Dorsey, and everyone else could be the next one

1 minute ago, Dick_Cheney said:

Agreed, his presser was great.

 

I do wish he would tell his brother to shut the ***** up. Maybe he has.

I’m sure he brings it up a bit with his brother, but Diggs seems like a guy who won’t bother with something that isn’t a real problem.  His brother tweeting something isn’t a problem for Diggs, it’s an annoyance.  I just don’t think he cares about that stuff.

[TBBills Fan]

1 hour ago, Peter said:

Gabe Davis speaks truths about Dorsey. Unfortunately, some here, on WGR, and McCoach have a narrative they want to push.

 

"We are behind Dorsey 100%"

True but when the entire offense isn't executing, that falls on the OC.  Can't fire the players mid season

[LABILLBACKER]

3 hours ago, Logic said:

Two things:

One, it's clear to me from Sean McDermott's press conference that he didn't feel that Ken Dorsey was getting the job done from a leadership standpoint, in terms of the things that are "in the margins", as he put it: Execution, ball security, energy, confidence. Whether or not Joe Brady will be an improvement in these areas remains to be seen, but I found that particular comment from McDermott to be very clear in terms of painting a picture of why he fired Dorsey. It was more direct and open than he usually is, I'd say. He left no question as to what one of the main driving forces was in Dorsey's dismissal.

Two....it's gonna be weird as hell if a guy named Brady saves the Bills season and leads them to the playoffs.

I don't care if his name is Marsha Brady as long as he turns this offense around.

 

[John from Riverside]

10 hours ago, iinii said:

Filled by the very best? Is that why Dorsey got fired? He wasn’t the very best? So apparently these jobs are not filled by the very best. Oh and what about Frazier? Was he the very best? Which brings into question McDermott. He hired these guys. 
 

Oh and you needed a question mark after others. And since you asked, I do whatever I want. 

Include being a dumb ass

[John from Riverside]

2 hours ago, Peter said:

Gabe Davis speaks truths about Dorsey. Unfortunately, some here, on WGR, and McCoach have a narrative they want to push.

 

"We are behind Dorsey 100%"

What exactly do you expect him to say they’re not gonna jump on the guy on the way out the door

[Since1981]

Besides owning a Surface tablet that isn’t cracked—Joe Brady seems much more comfortable and confident with himself. Better communicator!!
Uh oh, McD#ck ain’t gonna like that!

[Bruffalo]

5 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Diggs needs 12 targets per game realistically, and Kincaid another 12. Usually there a 40 attempts per game. So over half of the offense needs to be those two. With Shakir and Cook in that order. Phase Gabe Davis out, please. 

 

 

I don't have any numbers here, but it feels like a lot of catastrophic Allen mistakes are to intended to go to Davis.  They haven't been on the same page all season. Davis is a rosterable WR in the NFL, but he's not a reliable #2.  If he was going against worse CB play I think we would like him a lot more as our 3, and he'd probably be more successful.

[Aussie Joe]

4 hours ago, Steptide said:

I didn't love von's comments on it. Basically said "not his fault but someone's gotta take the fall" 

I have no doubt the issues aren’t just with Dorsey … 

[C.Biscuit97]

I’m in on Joe Brady. Call bombs and Allen runs. Stop constant shotgun. Give cook the ball in creative ways.