DORSEY FIRED, Joe Brady Interim OC

[JROC INTEL]

On 11/14/2023 at 11:23 AM, UKBillFan said:

Utterly no point in sacking Dorsey unless McDermott follows him.

get’er done Beane

[Bimmer323i]

How can Joe Brady fairly be judged? I mean hell essentially be calling Dorsey’s plays won’t he… I doubt he can install his own system in less than a week

[Doc Brown]

3 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

Im not sure if this one was posted or not yet but I am listening/watching it now.  It's a good listen IMO.  I will watch the Warner one next.

 

 

 

One thing is said in here is something I said even when Daboll was here that I didn't like about him.  They don't build off the plays.  They don't run the football and build off of it.  They run the football just to run the football.  It isn't setting up a pass.  He also said something else I have been saying... you aren't going to march 80 yards on the Jets consistently taking 3-5 yards at a time.  Can't really do that against any team.  The explosive plays have to be mixed in there.

He sounds smart but this is my go to guy...

 

 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

9 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

Im not sure if this one was posted or not yet but I am listening/watching it now.  It's a good listen IMO.  I will watch the Warner one next.

 

 

 

One thing is said in here is something I said even when Daboll was here that I didn't like about him.  They don't build off the plays.  They don't run the football and build off of it.  They run the football just to run the football.  It isn't setting up a pass.  He also said something else I have been saying... you aren't going to march 80 yards on the Jets consistently taking 3-5 yards at a time.  Can't really do that against any team.  The explosive plays have to be mixed in there.

Explosive plays with WHO?

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Explosive plays with WHO?

Oh please. Enough of the “we don’t have no talent” stuff. No, we don’t have Hill but there is enough talent to utilize on this team. Would I like better? Of course but there is talent here. 

Edited November 16, 2023 by Scott7975

[Lane Meyer K12]

With the weapons there simply is no reason for the offense to play like it has. This will likely be the right call and possibly bring some new life into an underperforming offense. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

8 hours ago, Bimmer323i said:

How can Joe Brady fairly be judged? I mean hell essentially be calling Dorsey’s plays won’t he… I doubt he can install his own system in less than a week

Well, you're correct in saying he can't install a new offense in a week.

 

What he can do is streamline what's in place and run what's been working. He will control what formation and who is on the field. 

 

He'll also have a different view of the flow of the game and what to call. There's a lot of impact he could have even running Dorsey's offense. 

[BillsFooteball]

7 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

He sounds smart but this is my go to guy...

 

 

They need to be careful. Last thing want to do is get on OJ’s nerve 

[Low Positive]

21 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Well, you're correct in saying he can't install a new offense in a week.

 

What he can do is streamline what's in place and run what's been working. He will control what formation and who is on the field. 

 

He'll also have a different view of the flow of the game and what to call. There's a lot of impact he could have even running Dorsey's offense. 

It’s actually still Daboll’s offense that he brought from New England. Time for a new playbook this offseason.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 hour ago, Scott7975 said:

Oh please. Enough of the “we don’t have no talent” stuff. No, we don’t have Hill but there is enough talent to utilize on this team. Would I like better? Of course but there is talent here. 

 

 

Are you just thinking more Diggs, and more Kincaid? 

 

Or is there another player on the bench that is coming in and providing these plays? 

 

I've commented previously that it doesn't take elite play design to get the ball into Harty's hands 2 times a game based on the Miami and New England catch, but that's not some big lever for this offense. 

 

 

[BuffaloBillyG]

6 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

It’s actually still Daboll’s offense that he brought from New England. Time for a new playbook this offseason.

It's a lot of the same concepts, that's true. But Dorsey does not use the same playbook. That's like saying it's Josh McDaniels offense because Daboll came from NE. 

 

[Low Positive]

Just now, BuffaloBillyG said:

It's a lot of the same concepts, that's true. But Dorsey does not use the same playbook. That's like saying it's Josh McDaniels offense because Daboll came from NE. 

 

I just remember last year Josh saying that he was in “year 5” of being in the offense. Even Tom Brady said that Josh Allen is running his New England offense. That’s why I thought that. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

2 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

I just remember last year Josh saying that he was in “year 5” of being in the offense. Even Tom Brady said that Josh Allen is running his New England offense. That’s why I thought that. 

It's the same system, for sure. But each coordinator designs plays within that system. Do they keep some from previous OCs? Of course. Most coaches will steal plays from each other. But Dorsey had a unique playset. It's one of the reasons we saw 2 receivers in the same spot so often with Ken, but rarely with Daboll.

 

I've also seen in film breakdowns one of the other differences is in Dorsey's offense the reads are almost backwards from Daboll's. He would have to scan different areas. 

[Bob Jones]

Just watched Warners reviw. That 4th down play is a real eye opener.

 

Both guys running the short flat routes...Cook on the left and Kincaid on the right....would have been good choices for JA to go to right away, but after he doesn't, and he scrambles to the right, BOTH of those guys turn and take of flying to go straight down the field. Both of them, after turning upfield and taking off, just had to put on the brakes and turn around (especially Kincaid because he was on the right side, same side that JA scrambled to), and both of them would have been 7-10 yards past the 1st down marker, and would have been an easy 1st down pitch & catch. Both of those guys' situational awareness was TERRIBLE. Did they not know it was 4th down and only about 2 yards to go?! It's just mind boggling....

[colin]

45 minutes ago, Bob Jones said:

Just watched Warners reviw. That 4th down play is a real eye opener.

 

Both guys running the short flat routes...Cook on the left and Kincaid on the right....would have been good choices for JA to go to right away, but after he doesn't, and he scrambles to the right, BOTH of those guys turn and take of flying to go straight down the field. Both of them, after turning upfield and taking off, just had to put on the brakes and turn around (especially Kincaid because he was on the right side, same side that JA scrambled to), and both of them would have been 7-10 yards past the 1st down marker, and would have been an easy 1st down pitch & catch. Both of those guys' situational awareness was TERRIBLE. Did they not know it was 4th down and only about 2 yards to go?! It's just mind boggling....

 

you gotta  chalk a chunk of that to inexperience.  cook seems to ride the bench more than he runs routes, and dalton is a rook.

 

it does almost seem like we don't really practice the plays we run, and certainly not on a situational basis.

 

i really hope brady turns it around, but it's hard to have confidence given the position the team is in.

[BuffaloMatt]

16 hours ago, Bob Jones said:

Actually, like I said, they really should have had their defensive FG squad in place on 3rd down, because Denver was just killing time before kicking the FG, ssssooooo, the Head ball coach, Sean McClappy, should have made the decision and directed his FG squad to get out there for 3rd down, after the Bills used their final timeout. That would have been his call, NOT the STs coach. 😉 I highly doubt the STs coach can just make those types of decisions on his own. It’s 13 seconds part 2…the Head Coach needed to step up and override the STs coach.

 

As it actually happened, the Bills’ FG unit had to do a “Chinese Fire Drill” with the Dime Pkg players already on the field, as the clock was ticking down after Denver’s 3rd down kneel down. Please tell me, exactly, AT THAT POINT, how does the STs coach ensure that the proper 11 guys are out there!? 🤔

That throw by JA17 was late AND BEHIND Davis, and that’s the primary reason why it was picked. That is clearly seen in the video.

Agree to disagree. You have a special teams coach for a reason. Needed to have his guys ready and didn't. That said because we will both stand by our opinions, McD and Beane are not going anywhere as they both signed extensions this offseason. 

[Low Positive]

1 minute ago, BuffaloMatt said:

Agree to disagree. You have a special teams coach for a reason. Needed to have his guys ready and didn't. That said because we will both stand by our opinions, McD and Beane are not going anywhere as they both signed extensions this offseason. 

Extensions don't matter for coaches. Coach salaries don't impact the cap, and Pegula has shown a willingness to pay coaches to go away many times with the Sabres. Heck, he paid Rex Ryan for three years to not coach the team. 

[JMM]

11 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Warner by my count showed (12) plays.

 

Just by formation:

 

Play 1 - Shotgun

Motion? - No

 

Play 2 - Shotgun

Motion? - No

 

Play 3 - Shotgun

Motion? - No

 

Play 4 - Under Center 

Motion? - Yes

 

Play 5 - Shotgun

Motion? - No

 

Play 6 - Shotgun

Motion? - No

 

Play 7 - Shotgun

Motion? - No

 

Play 8 - Shotgun

Motion? - Yes

 

Play 9 - Under Center

Play Action

 

Play 10 - Under Center

Motion? - Yes

Play Action

 

Play 11 - Shotgun

Motion? - Yes

 

Play 12 - Shotgun

Motion? - No

 

7/12 in static Shotgun alignments.

 

No designed boots or rollouts. 
 

We’re doing everything we can to help a struggling offense? 

Not sure I understand your point. Dorsey was not doing a good job and was fired. Josh is also not doing a good job either. He is impatient,  bails early, misses open wrs, is hesitant to run, and has made bad decisions leading to him leading the entire league in turnovers, yet again. The solution is hopefully better coordination,  but if Josh is unable to clean things up and Play the way he can, very little will change.

[Boatdrinks]

10 hours ago, Bimmer323i said:

How can Joe Brady fairly be judged? I mean hell essentially be calling Dorsey’s plays won’t he… I doubt he can install his own system in less than a week

He won’t be installing a new system , but that’s not required right now. What he needs to do is call plays that work and install gameplans that make sense . There’s more than enough in the playbook to be a very good offense. Dorsey rarely broke tendencies and his game plans were filled with head scratching calls. A fresh point of view is what’s needed here , combined with more use of Allen’s athletic ability. Start by jettisoning the WR screen, shotgun draw etc .

[Boatdrinks]

9 minutes ago, JMM said:

Not sure I understand your point. Dorsey was not doing a good job and was fired. Josh is also not doing a good job either. He is impatient,  bails early, misses open wrs, is hesitant to run, and has made bad decisions leading to him leading the entire league in turnovers, yet again. The solution is hopefully better coordination,  but if Josh is unable to clean things up and Play the way he can, very little will change.

Josh is always going to have his share of turnovers. His aggressive style will produce this at times . When he’s functioning at the high level we know he is capable of , you take the small amount of bad with the huge helping of great. When the great is squashed out of his game, that’s when it’s a problem. Brady’s task is to bring the great back into Allen’s game; not to coach it out of him.