DORSEY FIRED, Joe Brady Interim OC

[WideNine]

1 hour ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Let's be clear here:  Burrow has a total of 14 TD's and 6 INT's and 1 LOST FUMBLE.  I don't care about "fumbles" only lost fumbles.  Allen has 26 total TD's and 11 INT's and 3 lost fumbles.

 

So Burrow's TD/TO ration is a very good 2 and Allen's is an almost as good 1.85.  Anyway you slice the data the "Allen is a TO machine" narrative is way overblown.  BTW, Burrow's 2 BAD INT's in the 4th quarter against the Texans lost the Bengal's that game.  Allen's TO against Denver ere nowhere near as damaging or as bad.

 

But hey I'm an Allen apologist so hat do I know.

 

 

So they both recovered 1 fumble.

 

IMO I think just focusing on lost fumbles is not the best way to process the data.

 

Even if Allen managed to recover all his fumbles due to fortunate bounces it still points to issues with that simple QB/C exchange and usually means lost yards and a wasted down.

 

 

[DapperCam]

3 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

He should have been fired as soon as Jabrill Peppers said this

 

For those that can't watch, he said "That was a play that I recognized on tape, just had to play the proper technique and catch the ball."

Similarly Patrick Peterson broke down how he knew he would get the game winning INT in the Vikings game last year.

 

I never hear DBs say that they know the play and know they are going to get a pick. It's weird that it has happened twice.

[Low Positive]

Just now, DapperCam said:

Similarly Patrick Peterson broke down how he knew he would get the game winning INT in the Vikings game last year.

 

I never hear DBs say that they know the play and know they are going to get a pick. It's weird that it has happened twice.

That was actually more about Gabe Davis only having two routes.

[NoSaint]

What do y’all think Dorsey did with his day today?

[Maine-iac]

Defenses (the good ones) have caught up to Allen, and Mahommes, and Burrows.  They have to work harder and earn the big plays.  Against lesser defenses Josh will probably find the big plays like days of old but the better defenses he's going to have to take the underneath stuff and run the ball until they change out of shells and deep zones.  If he can't prove he's capable of hitting 5 yard crossers and chekcking it down for 5 or 6 he will continue to see less explosive plays and more turnovers.  Those "efficient throws" were there under Dorsey's system and Dorsey wasn't fired because there wasn't plays.  He was fired because 10 games into the season he still couldn't get Josh to take them.  Brady will have the same problem.  Either we learn to run the ball or take the easy throws until defenses come down and play them or we throw into coverage and turn the ball over.  This is the NFL and you either adapt or you become irrelevant.

[WideNine]

1 hour ago, Bruffalo said:

This is fun.  Now do what % of offensive yards he was responsible for in 21 and 22.

 

Not much value in being myopic with data sans context.

 

Allen could take the team on an 80 yard drive, but if he throws it to the wrong jersey in the red zone it is rendered less meaningful.

 

In 2023 he has to play better hitting his receivers and stop turning over the ball.

 

Most folks are processing that watching the games without all that other baggage.

 

Will a new OC help him get back to that 21 early 22 form and better efficiency. That remains to be seen.

 

Not quite sure what you are defending.

 

 

 

 

Edited November 15, 2023 by WideNine

[Low Positive]

3 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

What do y’all think Dorsey did with his day today?

I'm sure that the logistics of moving a family on really short notice is not an easy task. But you would have to think that he'll get out of town ASAP. I know that he'll be hate watching the Bills on Sunday.

[Maine-iac]

14 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

That was actually more about Gabe Davis only having two routes.

Interestingly Davis had 93 yards and a TD on him and if Josh doesn't fumble in the end zone Peterson never gets a game winning pick.

9 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

What do y’all think Dorsey did with his day today?

Probably sat on the couch with a cup of coffee and shopped Zillow.

[Low Positive]

6 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

Interestingly Davis had 93 yards and a TD on him and if Josh doesn't fumble in the end zone Peterson never gets a game winning pick.

I had it wrong. This is what he said. He knew the play by the formation

 

[folz]

Just a few things to note about Joe Brady's time in Carolina, for those who only look at team record to judge. Now I'm not saying any of this will or won't mean he does well in Buffalo, just trying to add some context:

 

In 2020:

-His first NFL OC job under a rookie head coach

-With post-injury Teddy Bridgewater at QB, Carolina had four players go over 1,000 yards from scrimmage (only 5th time a team did so in the Super Bowl era).

-RB Mike Davis, and Wide Receivers D.J. Moore, Robbie Anderson, and Curtis Samuel all had career years (each had the best year of their careers which they haven't matched since either).

-CMC only played 3 games this year due to injury.

-Bridgewater had the highest completion percentage and most passing yards of his career

-The Panthers set a franchise record for fewest punts in a season.

- 8 of their 11 loses were by 8 points or less. 5 of their loses were by 5 points or less.

-The Carolina defense set (negative) franchise records for the worst defensive 3rd down % and fewest interceptions in a season.

-Overall, the offense was 21st in yards per game (at 350 yards) and 24th in points per game (scoring an average of 22 points). 

 

Rankings and record weren't great, but you have to remember that Carolina's defense wasn't good (they were obviously on the field a lot as shown by the 3rd down % and the fact that they had two linebackers with more than 114 tackles each that year), and yet, Brady had 5 skill players on offense have the best years of their careers to that point or since. It seems that he had his guys playing at their best (even if their best couldn't match up with better teams).

 

In 2021:

-Curtis Samuel leaves for Washington (the team has no 3rd receiver behind Moore and Anderson, unless you count Brandon Zylstra's 250 yards). And Mike Davis leaves for Atlanta.

-CMC only plays 7 games due to injury.

-Sam Darnold is QB and a rookie Chubba Hubbard is your lead back for most of the year (with CMC out)

-TEs are Ian Thomas and Tommy Tremble 

-The Carolina defense did improve a bit in 2021

-Carolina fans were mad that the team didn't address the offensive line before the 2021 season (as they already weren't great in 2020). At the end of the season, the Panthers GM said that addressing the O-line in the offseason is now their #1 priority (ahead of their glaring QB need). So, obviously they were pretty poor.

-Offense fell to 29th in scoring and 30th in yards (and remember Brady was fired after week 12. He definitely had some clunkers of his own, but the team averaged 20 points per game for the first 12 with Brady and 14 points/game in the last 5 games without Brady).

 

And let's face it, outside of DJ Moore and CMC (for 7 games only), that offense had absolutely no talent, across the board, at every position. Hard to put that all on Brady.

 

 

Again, who knows if Brady will work out here or not...I just wanted to add some context to his time in Carolina for those who may not have looked into it.

[ngbills]

Brady has never been in the same place longer than two years...

[Dick_Cheney]

18 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

What do y’all think Dorsey did with his day today?

Looked at his bank account and had a hearty laugh.

[DapperCam]

18 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

What do y’all think Dorsey did with his day today?

Osteria 166 seems to be the spot

 

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[Bruffalo]

22 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

Not much value in being myopic with data sans context.

 

 

Pot, meet kettle. 

 

You can't look at turnovers without factoring in offensive production. 

 

"In 2023 he has to play better hitting his receivers and stop turning over the ball."

 

The narrative that it's on Allen minimizes so much that's wrong about the Bills right now that it's laughable to focus on. 

 

 

[Maine-iac]

7 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

I had it wrong. This is what he said. He knew the play by the formation

 

Peterson knowing or not that was a horrible throw into coverage on 2nd down.   The throw was at least 5 yards short of where it should have been and the TE was open earlier. 

[ngbills]

Lost in the shuffle has been Chad Hall leaving. Not mentioned much anymore. 

[RobbRiddick]

 

 

Josh just looks and sounds so depressed right now. I'd love to know what the hell is going on behind the scenes. His whole body language and vocal tone sounds defeated

[BananaB]

1 minute ago, RobbRiddick said:

 

 

Josh just looks and sounds so depressed right now. I'd love to know what the hell is going on behind the scenes. His whole body language and vocal tone sounds defeated

Probably just a little more weight on his shoulders. Good game plan and quick success can change that. Doubt it will be easy though. 

[Low Positive]

3 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said:

 

 

Josh just looks and sounds so depressed right now. I'd love to know what the hell is going on behind the scenes. His whole body language and vocal tone sounds defeated

Somebody he knows are cares about just lost his job. 

[Bob Jones]

1 hour ago, BuffaloMatt said:

Thank you for agreeing that special teams coach screwed the pooch. 

Actually, like I said, they really should have had their defensive FG squad in place on 3rd down, because Denver was just killing time before kicking the FG, ssssooooo, the Head ball coach, Sean McClappy, should have made the decision and directed his FG squad to get out there for 3rd down, after the Bills used their final timeout. That would have been his call, NOT the STs coach. 😉 I highly doubt the STs coach can just make those types of decisions on his own. It’s 13 seconds part 2…the Head Coach needed to step up and override the STs coach.

 

As it actually happened, the Bills’ FG unit had to do a “Chinese Fire Drill” with the Dime Pkg players already on the field, as the clock was ticking down after Denver’s 3rd down kneel down. Please tell me, exactly, AT THAT POINT, how does the STs coach ensure that the proper 11 guys are out there!? 🤔

1 hour ago, DapperCam said:

Similarly Patrick Peterson broke down how he knew he would get the game winning INT in the Vikings game last year.

 

I never hear DBs say that they know the play and know they are going to get a pick. It's weird that it has happened twice.

That throw by JA17 was late AND BEHIND Davis, and that’s the primary reason why it was picked. That is clearly seen in the video.

Edited November 15, 2023 by Bob Jones