DORSEY FIRED, Joe Brady Interim OC

[Scott7975]

12 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Erik is a Johnny come lately. Cover1 boys LOVED Dorsey. They loved the advanced numbers. The EPA was SO GOOD GUYS.

 

Pass.

 

I agree. Cover1 guys were not on the Dorsey sucks bandwagon until now. The video however is not cover1.  Its Dan O.

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

I agree. Cover1 guys were not on the Dorsey sucks bandwagon until now. The video however is not cover1.  Its Dan O.

It’s Erik Turner linking it and saying “we talked about this all the time” lol.

 

Its baloney. What you say on the internet exists forever. These dudes ran cover for Kenny and talked up the advanced stats and EPA and are now turning around and saying “Exactly! He had to go.”

 

It’s kinda funny. It’s not like they have special access they need to protect. Hard to be unbiased fans I guess. 

Edited November 15, 2023 by FireChans

[Scott7975]

2 minutes ago, FireChans said:

It’s Erik Turner linking it and saying “we talked about this all the time” lol.

 

Its baloney. What you say on the internet exists forever. These dudes ran cover for Kenny and talked up the advanced stats and EPA and are now turning around and saying “Exactly! He had to go.”

 

It’s kinda funny. It’s not like they have special access they need to protect. Hard to be unbiased fans I guess. 

 

Exactly

[Irv]

Fire the guy who gets squirted with ketchup and mustard at the tailgate.    Oh.  Forgot.  Fire Elvis impersonator. 

 

   

Edited November 15, 2023 by Irv

[John from Riverside]

Tough to do this in a short week or it must’ve been that bad

[Orlando Buffalo]

I do feel bad for Dorsey in that I think he was trying to teach Josh how to dink and dunk therefore making him the true ultimate weapon, but Josh is not built that way. Dorsey tried to simplify things and beat teams with execution, but this is not the team for that.

[That's No Moon]

1 minute ago, Orlando Tim said:

I do feel bad for Dorsey in that I think he was trying to teach Josh how to dink and dunk therefore making him the true ultimate weapon, but Josh is not built that way. Dorsey tried to simplify things and beat teams with execution, but this is not the team for that.

Some people call that trying to put a square peg into a round hole. 

[Thurman#1]

33 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

I agree. Cover1 guys were not on the Dorsey sucks bandwagon until now. The video however is not cover1.  Its Dan O.

 

 

They were not on the Dorsey sucks bandwagon, but they did consistently point out places where they thought the play calling and play design could be improved.

 

Consistently. And especially so recently. Erik's breakdowns regularly questioned Dorsey, particularly the play designs.

 

I mean, 8 days ago Erik put out a video titled "Is Ken Dorsey's Offensive Scheme Holding Back Josh Allen?"

 

 

 

And his answer in the video was that his offense had some really good aspects but that it was "sort of disjointed," and that "when the coverage beater is taken away, or it's not there or Josh just skips it for whatever reason, there's nothing coming into his line of sight on a play like this." He didn't say this was true on all plays but did say it about a bunch of plays. He said, "There's not a lot of scheming going on," meaning that Dorsey wasn't scheming (much) to get guys open, and that he wanted to see more of that. There was more.

 

He was saying that while Dorsey's offense was very efficient, that it also limited Josh. His main complaint was that Dorsey wasn't building on top of those efficient plays with possible explosives that Josh could use to make big plays. He like the basics but wanted more built over the top so that when teams adapted to the more efficient stuff and saw it a lot that they could then capitalize when the defense was moving up and when Josh wanted to take a shot.

 

No, he wasn't saying that all the blame should be put on Dorsey. And that's smart and reasonable. Anyone saying all the blame should have been put on Dorsey was just wrong. There were plenty of execution problems as well, and Erik didn't pretend otherwise.

 

But he was absolutely questioning elements of Dorsey's designs. Without question.

 

 

 

Edited November 15, 2023 by Thurman#1

[Dablitzkrieg]

5 hours ago, Green Lightning said:

If Beane stays perhaps he may learn that OLs are important and that 10 crap Jags is less than 5 quality players.

This is a small brain issue.  The Bills have the best OL under Allen.  Keep trying.

[Orlando Buffalo]

3 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

Some people call that trying to put a square peg into a round hole. 

I will agree, Josh apparently does have limitations, though still much higher than most players.

[vincec]

1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I think the biggest problem lies in people feeling McDermott gets some lifetime pass for our drought exit.  And Beane gets a lifetime pass for selecting Josh.  But outside of these 2 actions, these 2 guys have struggled quite a bit.  Beane with several failed picks and McD with several failed coaching decisions. I still want McD gone first and give Beane one final year to turn things around with a heavy 2024 offensive draft.

They have a 0.626 win percentage, 3 division titles and 5 playoff appearances in 6 years. I think that’s the opposite of struggling.

[Patrick Duffy]

3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Tough to do this in a short week or it must’ve been that bad

 

Maybe this had been discussed with Brady couple weeks or so back this was a strong chance this would happen and prepare in advance?

 

But then that would imply McD is on top of things and that hasn't seemed to be the case 

[stevewin]

3 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

[John from Riverside]

2 minutes ago, vincec said:

They have a 0.626 win percentage, 3 division titles and 5 playoff appearances in 6 years. I think that’s the opposite of struggling.

Numbers are hard for people sometimes
 

Sean McDermott is the second winningest coach. The bills has ever had.

 

 

[Thurman#1]

7 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:

I do feel bad for Dorsey in that I think he was trying to teach Josh how to dink and dunk therefore making him the true ultimate weapon, but Josh is not built that way. Dorsey tried to simplify things and beat teams with execution, but this is not the team for that.

 

 

I hear you, but I would mildly disagree. This is the team for that, as long as you're doing some other things also. At times the efficient offense has worked really well here. But you need more as well. Even Brady would take deep shots sometimes when the defenses made them available.

 

Somebody had to go. Some changes had to be made. They needed to diverge, at least a bit, from what was happening on this offense.

 

I feel bad for Dorsey too. He's not completely to blame, but he did carry a very significant share of the blame, and he didn't appear willing to make major changes as things got worse. My guess is he learns from this and is an OC again, but five to eight years down the road with some more experience under his belt and more tricks up his sleeve.

[BillsFan4]

1 hour ago, Scott7975 said:

 

I dunno how to fix that for you but here it is embedded

 

 

what did you do to get it to embed? Just change the x.com to Twitter.com and then hit enter?

 

trying to figure out what I’m doing wrong…

[thenorthremembers]

9 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Numbers are hard for people sometimes
 

Sean McDermott is the second winningest coach. The bills has ever had.

 

 

Numbers are hard for people who let their emotions dictate their decisions.

[Mister Defense]

Late, but much much better today than after the season is completely lost.

 

So important that they did this now, for so many reasons.

[Thrivefourfive]

Three years in row, the Bills have fired coordinators. I’m no front office savant, but that’s a wrap. All three phases, gone. What a track record. That is unsurvivable for McDermott. It’s his staff that he’s gutting. Who would want to even work with this coward at this point.  

[stevestojan]

What’s interesting to me (and I fully support the firing by the way) is that yesterday was far and away his best called game of the season; that’s not saying a lot, but the offensive playcalling wasn’t bad. The execution was horrific.