Big Turk Posted November 14, 2023 Posted November 14, 2023 Just now, Bangarang said: Thank god you’re not in charge Agree...it's easy to break down stuff on Twitter...he has never been a coach...how did that work out for Jeff Saturday and the Colts? Quote
Low Positive Posted November 14, 2023 Posted November 14, 2023 Just so everyone is clear on this, Sean McDermott became the Head Coach of the Buffalo Bills in January of 2017. Joe Brady didn't get to Carolina until February of 2020. 2 Quote
skibum Posted November 14, 2023 Posted November 14, 2023 I guess I don't understand all the talk that it's all McDermott's fault and Dorsey is just the scapegoat. The same players put up way more points under Daboll, and this offense is clearly not doing as well since Dorsey took over. And with McDermott running the defense, it is abundantly clear that he is counting on his OC to manage the offense. Oh, and by the way, McDermott's defense has lost half it's starters, spends 2/3 of every game on the field, and yet has managed to keep the Bills in most of their games. Quote
Bangarang Posted November 14, 2023 Posted November 14, 2023 McD fired a guy right before the holidays. Ruthless 1 Quote
boyst Posted November 14, 2023 Posted November 14, 2023 1 minute ago, Low Positive said: Just so everyone is clear on this, Sean McDermott became the Head Coach of the Buffalo Bills in January of 2017. Joe Brady didn't get to Carolina until February of 2020. allegedly. Quote
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 14, 2023 Posted November 14, 2023 7 minutes ago, 34-30 said: QB's turning it over at this rate aren't elite. correct 2 Quote
clayboy54 Posted November 14, 2023 Posted November 14, 2023 13 minutes ago, BigAl2526 said: I agree that there have been issues with Dorsey's work this season, but the performance of the offense last evening was on the players. Specifically, the turnovers were perhaps the most important factor in the Bills' loss, and that is on the players. Unfortunately, this wasn't a single player issue. Cook, Davis and Allen all bore responsibility. You can't bench all of them, and probably not any of them. They all need to do a better job holding on to the football. Don't you think that the discipline and focus needed to execute at a high level is the direct responsibility of the coordinator? 1 1 Quote
Ballhawk Posted November 14, 2023 Posted November 14, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Dick_Cheney said: It is also not the first time that this has been evident. Regardless of the issue of players executing properly, it's very clear that this team has and has had a serious leadership problem, and that the decision making ability of the coaches is simply not at a championship level of performance. Unless Joe Brady is able to scheme a truly dominate offense that compensates for these other errors and shortcomings, I think that McD is done after this year. Almost for certain if we miss the playoffs, and still very likely if we fall short of the AFC Championship Game. I guess you subscribe to the bull#### mantra of "next man up", otherwise you'd account for the devastating injuries to our defense and adjust your expectations accordingly. Next man up, is coach-speak for we don't like excuses (even when it's perfectly legitimate and clearly affecting performance). It takes everything, scheme, coaching, execution and yes... injury luck to get to the AFC Championship/and or the Super Bowl. While it's not clear if we have the schemes, coaching and players to get there, it is clear we haven't had the injury luck the last two years. Edited November 14, 2023 by Ballhawk Quote
Chandler#81 Posted November 14, 2023 Posted November 14, 2023 1 hour ago, nedboy7 said: This is the logical step. McD can be canned after the season if needed. Not realistic to fire the OC, DC and HC in one day. That would be so dumb. Billsy, actually. 1 Quote
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 14, 2023 Posted November 14, 2023 Just now, Ballhawk said: I guess you subscribe to the bull#### mantra of "next man up", otherwise you'd account for the devastating injuries to our defense and adjust your expectations accordingly. It takes everything, scheme, coaching, execution and yes... injury luck to get to the AFC Championship/and or the Super Bowl. While it's not clear if we have the schemes, coaching and players to get there, it is clear we haven't had the injury luck the last two years. "injury luck" is the product of an OLD roster. Quote
I'm Spartacus Posted November 14, 2023 Posted November 14, 2023 5 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Thank god you’re not in charge All right, you know best. Sheesh! Quote
Wayne Arnold Posted November 14, 2023 Posted November 14, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, 34-30 said: QB's turning it over at this rate aren't elite. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree. https://x.com/benbbaldwin/status/1724479784174973373?s=20 Edited November 14, 2023 by Wayne Arnold 1 Quote
BRH Posted November 14, 2023 Posted November 14, 2023 4 minutes ago, Bangarang said: McD fired a guy right before the holidays. Ruthless Did him a favor. He'll get to spend the holidays with his family. And he'll get paid. Quote
Dick_Cheney Posted November 14, 2023 Posted November 14, 2023 Just now, Ballhawk said: I guess you subscribe to the bull#### mantra of "next man up", otherwise you'd account for the devastating injuries to our defense and adjust your expectations accordingly. It takes everything, scheme, coaching, execution and yes... injury luck to get to the AFC Championship/and or the Super Bowl. While it's not clear if we have the schemes, coaching and players to get there, it is clear we haven't had the injury luck the last two years. I'm very aware of our injury situation. The point still stands that if we score one more time in basically any and all of our losses, we are leading the division right now. The defense has problems but all things considered, I don't put the majority of the blame on them for how things currently stand. For as talented as Allen is, along with Diggs, Kincaid, and sometimes Cook and sometimes Davis, it's inexcusable for the offense to have been performing how it has. Quote
L Ron Burgundy Posted November 14, 2023 Posted November 14, 2023 9 minutes ago, BeastMaster said: It just really doesn't sit well with me that in a game where there was a glaring problem with the teams preparedness and execution in all three phases, that they singled out the guy that probably deserved the least amount of blame lastnight. McDermott needs to be held accountable I dont disagree about McDermott but our offense has disappointed now for weeks in a row. They played putrid yesterday. Turnovers, drops, it was the single biggest reason we lost. Quote
Ballhawk Posted November 14, 2023 Posted November 14, 2023 1 minute ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: "injury luck" is the product of an OLD roster. Injury luck is affected by an old roster but not solely determined by it. I don't care how young Milano was, that knee was not surviving that hit. Quote
Logic Posted November 14, 2023 Posted November 14, 2023 17 minutes ago, BigAl2526 said: I agree that there have been issues with Dorsey's work this season, but the performance of the offense last evening was on the players. Specifically, the turnovers were perhaps the most important factor in the Bills' loss, and that is on the players. Unfortunately, this wasn't a single player issue. Cook, Davis and Allen all bore responsibility. You can't bench all of them, and probably not any of them. They all need to do a better job holding on to the football. I don't disagree that the players were the primary problem last night...but whose job is it to get those players ready? When it's not just one player having issues with execution, ball security, and sloppiness...when it's pretty much every player on offense...that points to one thing, in my opinion: Coaching. Guys like Cook and Diggs and Allen didn't all just suddenly become worse players from last year to this year. Their trend of regression that begin when Daboll left and continues now points, again, to coaching. When an entire offense worth of players is failing and committing the same errors week after week, the coach in charge of that offense is not doing a good enough job. 1 1 Quote
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 14, 2023 Posted November 14, 2023 Honestly didn't expect this but im glad because the scheme was flawed , so this had to happen but should have been known since Dabol but we were winning so they let it slide. Dabol had the same issues and the Tom Brady offense needs Tom Brady. Quote
LABILLBACKER Posted November 14, 2023 Posted November 14, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Dick_Cheney said: It is also not the first time that this has been evident. Regardless of the issue of players executing properly, it's very clear that this team has and has had a serious leadership problem, and that the decision making ability of the coaches is simply not at a championship level of performance. Unless Joe Brady is able to scheme a truly dominate offense that compensates for these other errors and shortcomings, I think that McD is done after this year. Almost for certain if we miss the playoffs, and still very likely if we fall short of the AFC Championship Game. Trust me McDermott is dead coach walking and he knows it. He played his last scapegoat card this morning. Surprised he didn't fire Smiley too. He's not only lost the locker room but I think the lack of team confidence is astounding. Josh has lost leadership skills. He's pouting more. Players have to cheer him up and not the other way around. Obviously for 6 years McD has forced him to be heroic. And that's where we see all the reckless hero ball. No mentor, no tough boss to get in his face and reel him back in. Even Nick Wright (who I still hate) accurately stated this morning that Josh doesn't know when to "turn off" hero ball. "You don't need hero ball against Mac Jones, Zach Wilson or aging Russell Wilson. He said the Bills should be 8-2. This hero ball persona has been hammered into Josh because of McDermott. Edited November 14, 2023 by LABILLBACKER 5 1 Quote
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