DORSEY FIRED, Joe Brady Interim OC

[clayboy54]

5 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

Agree. And I'm especially concerned about McD's input when it comes to hiring a new OC. I tend to doubt that he would want a promising young face for fear that the guy would show him up. 

I think you're incorrect about that. Dorsey is an "I'm the smartest guy in the room" type guy. Remember the temper tantrum? Yes, he is a bright young mind. He is exceptionally smart. But, anyone who thinks they're so much smarter than the rest is bound to fail. You also typically lose the respect of your subordinants too, because you simply do not listen to their input, or put them in the best position to take advantage of their strengths. Instead, you force them into positions that suit you.

 

So, Dorsey tried to show-up McD and the other coaches every day. He also tried to do the same to his offense.

 

Buh bye, Kenny!

[Dunkirk Donski]

2 minutes ago, davefan66 said:

WGR stated McD will have a news conference today.  Any time on that? 

I heard they were waiting on mike shopp to accept the position of defensive personnel accountability assistant to the general manager. 

Edited November 14, 2023 by Dunkirk Donski

[npeartisgod]

9 minutes ago, 34-30 said:

So he's throwing it to the other team and fumbling because he isn't free to play how he wants?

EXACTLY! You're making my argument for me...

[90sBills]

6 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

The guy has scored more touchdowns than any other quarterback on the planet since 2019.

 

 

He also has thrown more interceptions than any other quarterbacks on the planet since 2019. 

[stevewin]

2 hours ago, DuckyBoys said:

4 OC's when you have a franchise qb in place really speaks volumes

To be fair - the first was a warm body by a new HC on a bad team just trying to fill out a staff.  And the 2nd was a success by any measure including developing the franchise QB and left to be a HC.  The third filled the 'continuity narrative and was the preference of the franchise QB

[SDS]

1 minute ago, ExWNYer said:

 

He called a successful blitz and they sacked Wilson, taking the Broncos out of FG range. The problem was that on the very next play he called a Cover Zero blitz and left Taron Johnson on an island by himself with Jerry Jeudy, Denver's fastest WR. All Wilson had to do was toss up the ball, wait for Jeudy to stop his route, and have Johnson crash into him. The refs are calling that INT 99% of the time, weak or not. Asinine play call there by McDummy.

is it your suggestion that the play went as designed and that the get a pass interference call is an actual play in the playbook?

 

[ExWNYer]

3 minutes ago, davefan66 said:

WGR stated McD will have a news conference today.  Any time on that? 

 

My aunt in Jamestown texted me that it was set for 4:00 PM today.

[Wayne Arnold]

Just now, 90sBills said:

He also has thrown more interceptions than any other quarterbacks on the planet since 2019. 

 

So what? I'll take that all day long if it also comes with scoring the most touchdowns and winning more games than 30 other teams.

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, stevewin said:

To be fair - the first was a warm body by a new HC on a bad team just trying to fill out a staff.  And the 2nd was a success by any measure including developing the franchise QB and left to be a HC.  The third filled the 'continuity narrative and was the preference of the franchise QB

 

We'll have the same problem with having good OCs since they are the first to get hired to HC spots. Which is exactly what happened to Dabol.

[WideNine]

19 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

Isn't it up to the OC to help the QB improve his game?

 

That and offensive preparation that shows in execution.

This, more than anything else, may have been the more damning indictment of Dorsey's tenure.

 

If you watch the clips of the plays he calls, on many of them there are options that are open. But Allen is not seeing or taking those so that speaks to Allen's preparation.  Also, the offense as a whole seems dysfunctional. During games when the offense gets into a rhythm of things that are working, Dorsey seems to tinker with the formula for some unknown reason and often breaks whatever rhythm that have established and creating poor down and distance situations.

There is a lot to unpack about what he did well and where he was struggling as an OC.


 

[ExWNYer]

1 minute ago, SDS said:

is it your suggestion that the play went as designed and that the get a pass interference call is an actual play in the playbook?

 

 

No, but thanks for asking.

[90sBills]

Just now, Wayne Arnold said:

 

So what? I'll take that all day long if it also comes with scoring the most touchdowns and winning more games than 30 other teams.

So the result is what it is. An inconsistent team led by an inconsistent qb that can’t win a title. 

[HoofHearted]

11 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Ha, fair enough. I was focused on the originally bolded parts of "and he kept hammering those same calls every game!  He was incapable of self-evaluating and saying "well this play hasn't worked for the guys on the field""

 

 

All good. Just trying to help this place be objective instead jumping to conclusions and running with them. Can't wait to share this full season run game breakdown as there's a ton of misinformation floating around this place lately in regards to that.

[MJS]

5 minutes ago, ExWNYer said:

 

He called a successful blitz and they sacked Wilson, taking the Broncos out of FG range. The problem was that on the very next play he called a Cover Zero blitz and left Taron Johnson on an island by himself with Jerry Jeudy, Denver's fastest WR. All Wilson had to do was toss up the ball, wait for Jeudy to stop his route, and have Johnson crash into him. The refs are calling that INT 99% of the time, weak or not. Asinine play call there by McDummy.

It was horrible. Blitz one guy if you really want to blitz there, but they should have played coverage. It was a horrible call. It was the single worst defensive play call that McDermott has made this year.

[Wayne Arnold]

1 minute ago, 90sBills said:

So the result is what it is. An inconsistent team led by an inconsistent qb that can’t win a title. 

 

He consistently scores more touchdowns than anyone. Touchdowns are a good thing. 

 

In a list of 100 things that has to be fixed with this franchise, Josh Allen is not on the list.

[Brandon]

3 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

He also has thrown more interceptions than any other quarterbacks on the planet since 2019. 

 

I really don't care that much about the interceptions as long as he's 2:1 or better on TD passes.   If they're going to call 700 pass plays a year,  the QB is going to throw some interceptions. 

[Billschinatown]

6 minutes ago, Dunkirk Donski said:

I heard they were waiting on mike shopp to accept the position of defensive personnel accountability assistant to the general manager. 

I don't think i'd really quit the Bills-- but if this happened i'm a Ravens fan. lol

[Allen2Moulds]

9 minutes ago, 34-30 said:

So he's throwing it to the other team and fumbling because he isn't free to play how he wants? He has more turnovers than games played.  And we wonder why coaches are trying to hold him back a bit?

JA's style will always be a riskier style that leads to some turnovers.  It's just being exacerbated by the lack of successful drives.  In the past it was ok, because we would either score or turn it over.  Now there's a lot more punts mixed into that equation. Another reason why we're seeing more, is because Allen feels forced to make everything happen on his own.  Like Orlovsky pointed out in his breakdown.  The Broncos we're in zone, and we ran a play that was designed to beat man coverage.  Bad play call on Dorsey.  I honestly think he was clueless, and didn't know how to attack defenses, but I'm also surprised that Josh didn't audible out of that.  As much as I love Allen, I can't absolve him either.  More the reason, that you need a better OC.  A better OC says kid......as soon as you see there running zone, we need to get out of that look......and audible to  xyz, etc.  

 

[MJS]

Just now, Wayne Arnold said:

He consistently scores more touchdowns than anyone. Touchdowns are a good thing. 

 

In a list of 100 things that has to be fixed with this franchise, Josh Allen is not on the list.

So wrong. Allen is a a big problem right now. Turnovers are the biggest deciders of games. Allen turns it over more than anyone in the league.

[90sBills]

1 minute ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

He consistently scores more touchdowns than anyone. Touchdowns are a good thing. 

 

In a list of 100 things that has to be fixed with this franchise, Josh Allen is not on the list.

Man the length some fans go to excuse our franchise QB from any accountability. No wonder he feels like not working hard in the offseason to improve. In his mind he probably thinks he’s the greatest because most of the fanbase keep saying it.