DORSEY FIRED, Joe Brady Interim OC

[HoofHearted]

Those of you expecting a wildly different offense in terms of scheme are going to be disappointed. He's going to run the exact same scheme Dorsey was running - you can't just scrap everything and teach a new system mid-year. This move had to be made though before McDermott lost the entire locker room. Despite what the players say post-game/during the week there has been no confidence in what we are doing for a couple weeks now. Stef looked unamused and unengaged throughout the night last night. I'll wait for the A22 to drop before making any comments about the game plan/scheme, but there were multiple times again last night that Josh looked to the opposite side of the field than what I thought he should. Picking man match-ups is one thing, but vs zone play the concept side - thought this was an Allen mistake thing, but I do wonder if this move means it was being coached that way... All in all though - the players didn't play hard for their OC and the same issues that have been occurring over the past however many weeks showed up yet again. Hopefully a different voice in the room ignites these players going forward.

[boyst]

1 minute ago, Bill from NYC said:

Question for Bills Fans: Who do you think was the most responsible for Firing Dorsey?

 

A) Mr. Pegula

B) Beane

C) McDermott

 

I am of the very strong opinion that Mr. Pegula gave the power to McDermott to make moves like this, AND gave him final say wrt the draft. I also think that he was the one to fire Frazier. 

 

Jmo but curious as to what others think.

Pegs running this like a business and extending leashes to let people hang themselves - that tracks.

 

(I don't know much or have much to get inside the FO)

[Gregg]

33 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Is this a joke? The dude is unhinged.

 

It's 12:50 PM on Tuesday afternoon and the Cowboys just scored another touchdown.

[Not at the table Karlos]

23 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

Part of me wonders is the issue with Diggs was that he decided to speak to someone like Beane or even Pegula about McDermott on behalf of some of the players but Josh didn't back him up.

 

That might explain his reaction after "meetings" this offseason. 

 

Sadly, because of what happened with Josh McDaniels I doubt McDermott would hold a "airing of grievances" meeting at this point. LOL 

Lmfao. I’m picturing Diggs standing over a table. “I’ve got a lot of problems with you people, now you’re gonna hear about it”

[Peter]

1 minute ago, boyst said:

He didn't talk about anything else but everyone else. A lot of "we's".

 

Leaders accept all responsibility, solely. He needs to say "I" when it's bad, we when it's good.  He doesn't. He's a chump clown

 

Indeed.

 

I remember a certain diminutive QB who had the habit of saying "I" when we won and "we" when we lost.

[Billz4ever]

This should hopefully improve the play calling, but unless McD is ready to take the leash off of Josh, I don't see much changing.

 

The contrast from this year's Josh to the last few seasons is clearly evident.  I believe how he's being coached has him second guessing himself and is causing poor decisions.  

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

McD called an equally horrid game on defense. 

[Bruffalo]

1 minute ago, HoofHearted said:

Those of you expecting a wildly different offense in terms of scheme are going to be disappointed. He's going to run the exact same scheme Dorsey was running - you can't just scrap everything and teach a new system mid-year. This move had to be made though before McDermott lost the entire locker room. Despite what the players say post-game/during the week there has been no confidence in what we are doing for a couple weeks now. Stef looked unamused and unengaged throughout the night last night. I'll wait for the A22 to drop before making any comments about the game plan/scheme, but there were multiple times again last night that Josh looked to the opposite side of the field than what I thought he should. Picking man match-ups is one thing, but vs zone play the concept side - thought this was an Allen mistake thing, but I do wonder if this move means it was being coached that way... All in all though - the players didn't play hard for their OC and the same issues that have been occurring over the past however many weeks showed up yet again. Hopefully a different voice in the room ignites these players going forward.

The playcalling decisions were just as questionable as the scheme, maybe more so.  It felt like Dorsey was picking them at random instead of trying to establish a gameflow. 

[Chandler#81]

4 minutes ago, Success said:

It's the right move.

 

The biggest difference w/ this team is that we're simply not scoring points like we used to.  And we have a better line, running game & have added Kincaid.

 

Beyond that, Allen is regressing.  Someone needs to help him realize his potential. Dorsey had his shot.

 

Britney?😳

[Livinginthepast]

22 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

It's going to sound harsh, but Josh cost Dorsey his job. 

 

Dorsey has had plenty of issues, but he didn't make Josh & Co. turn the ball over so many times... It got to the point where fans were saying Josh was throwing the game.

 

Dorsey's gameplan was actually solid last night. Execution sunk it. Receivers dropping passes, poor decision making, fumbles on top of INTs... all soured huge improvements to the run game & overall balanced approach.

Actually I think its both. Josh was terrible last night with the INTS, bad throws and fumbles. His supporting cast was also mediocre to poor. But Dorsey is responsible for scheming guys open, misdirection and the right play call for the situation. That part of his work seems to have completely disappeared or has been inept. Last night was yet another example of the broken system that Dorsey created.

 

There are multiple issues on this Bills team and we just got rid of one of them. There are at least 6 more that I can think of to be tackled:

 

1. McD and his poor game management

2. McD and his poor defensive game plan

3. McD and his lack of preparation and motivation for the team for the big games

4. The terrible special teams

5. Getting decent replacements for the injured players (Beane!!)

5. The invisible Von Miller

 

The first 3 are glaring. I think McD should be promoting a defensive assistant to be DC ASAP for in game defensive calls. The rest are hard to fix in the short term.

[What a Tuel]

29 minutes ago, Seventeen said:

 

Can we fire John Butler to not teaching our corners to turn around and find the ball ? 

 

I'll never understand that. Half the time its an INT if they just turn around! So worried about getting beat they get PI anyway so just turn around!

[hondo in seattle]

3 minutes ago, Success said:

It's the right move.

 

The biggest difference w/ this team is that we're simply not scoring points like we used to.  And we have a better line, running game & have added Kincaid.

 

Beyond that, Allen is regressing.  Someone needs to help him realize his potential. Dorsey had his shot.

 

 

Agreed.  Allen is a unicorn with a unique and impressive skill set.  But he also has flaws.  We need a QB-whisperer OC who can figure out how to maximize the talents while working around or minimizing the shortcomings.   Dorsey hasn't been that guy.  

[Bob Jones]

Not sure if this has been asked in here yet, but I don’t have the time to go through 26 pages.
 

How much “new stuff” can Brady even bring in in the middle of the season? Don’t they pretty much have to stick with the playbook they have, and *maybe* add a few wrinkles to that? Can the offensive players learn new stuff in weeks?

[BullBuchanan]

8 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

You understand how insane it is to pretend his first 2 seasons he was set up to succeed?  Kelvin Benjamin was his #1 WR when he was drafted.  We had no talent on this roster and Allen came from a small school and was totally raw.  

 

People like you like to lump in his career totals so you can use those early years to mask the last 3 years where he was an MVP finalist all 3.  Its insane.  

 

News flash:  Coming into 2023, Allen only had 4 more INTs than Mahomes and 3 more than Burrow over the past 2 regular seasons.  And Mahomes had more talent around him and a much better OL along with Andy Reid.  Burrow had an elite cast of weapons.  And Allen played half of one of those seasons with an injured throwing elbow.  

 

Bonus news flash:  Josh has 10 more (which is DOUBLE) the amount of TD's than Burrow and a lower turnover rate than Burrow in the post season despite only playing 1 more game than him.  

 

Allen is not the problem. 

You do know that his combined stats over his first two seasons aren't his worst two years right? He's been consistently poor at this the whole time

Why would you say this when there are objective stats that will blow up your argument instantly?

Allen is not the sole problem, but he's a massive part of it. He's a wild animal of a player that needs to be effectively controlled and released when needed if he's going to find any sustained success in this league and we don't have a coaching staff capable of doing that.
 

[What a Tuel]

33 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

Is it your belief that Dorsey was fired ONLY because of last night's game?

 

No, but last night was 100000% on the players not executing, so id like to know what broke the camel's back here? Why wasn't he fired after the bengals game?

Edited November 14, 2023 by What a Tuel

[clayboy54]

Just now, Chandler#81 said:

Britney?😳

Fame and fortune have ruined more than a few careers. I hope it's not the case here, but I fear it is.

[billsfan_34]

1 hour ago, Virgil said:

Fired him after the one game Dorsey wasn’t the problem?   
 

This should be a fun offseason

We have no “true” DC or OC. This in itself is a fun little game.

[crappyjazz]

7 minutes ago, Governor said:

My gf said that it looks like the team doesn’t practice during the week. She knows nothing about football. This team comes out prepared maybe twice a season. Last year was no different. We were the worst 13-3 team in history and everyone knows it. I haven’t seen a complete game from these clowns since last years Rams game.

 

That is entirely on McD. 

But but but he said they had great practices this week! 🤧

[cgg716]

Dorsey being fired is actually worst case scenario. But here we are. Hes 

gonna promote Joe Brady, tell him to do whatever he needs to in order save his job. Which he likely can with even small improvement. You'll see Allen run etc. But come the off-season he'll get neutered too

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Just now, Bob Jones said:

Not sure if this has been asked in here yet, but I don’t have the time to go through 26 pages.
 

How much “new stuff” can Brady even bring in in the middle of the season? Don’t they pretty much have to stick with the playbook they have, and *maybe* add a few wrinkles to that? Can the offensive players learn new stuff in weeks?

Not much, he’s going to be running Dorsey’s offense. What he can do is change up the type of plays and when they are called.