This team never makes a big stop

[colin]

our d played with their hair on fire, but it ends up being too much of guys screaming all over the field and not making tackles.  we just miss too many tackles over and over again.

 

the biggest issue from my pov is that the opponents all do the same ish against us on D because the same thing always seems to work against us.  i bet we see zone more than any other team in the nfl, yet we are dumbfounded to beat it.

 

on the other side, we still go a great job taking away the deep pass (the entire nfl is doing that now, more or less, so mcd and co were at least innovators there), but up the gut runs, picked up blitzes, and just plain old zone beater routes means a smart O can just know what they have to do, usually based on the pre snap read.

[FireChans]

13 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Nope. Crunch time you need to make a stop. This is not a one time thing .

 

4 times this year they needed a stop when they were leading or needed a stop in the 4th to have a chance.

Want to know what the results are?

 

0-4.

 

Jax- 2 TDs in a row to salt the game away

NE- GW drive to mac jones

cinci- drains the clock

Den- GW drive to Russell Wilson

 

The offence is def the reason they lost in a vacuum . But the defence is to blame as well as it’s the same story with them in the 4th quarter 

What is the Bills record when the opposing offense scores 21 points or more?

Edited November 14, 2023 by FireChans

[The Jokeman]

4 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

The offense suddenly appears in clutch moments. The defense disappears.

because the defense kept the game close to allow the offense to keep it a one score game but truth be told if the offense produces another field goal then we win. It's why McDermott is calling for complimentary football, the offense has to keep the ball or sustain drives to score more points or at the very least allow the defense to be less winded in the ending minutes. 

[BeastMaster]

Just now, Johnnycage46 said:

It's too convenient to blame the defense.  They were on the field for 40 minutes compared to our O's 20 mins of possession.  They held up pretty much all game and it was bound to happen with the way the offense insists on screwing around for 85% of most games.  Instead of blaming the defense...point the blame at Allen and the coaching staff.  They lost this game, the Jets game, and the Patriots game.

You have to hold the defense and the coach who is supposed to be a guru on that side to not let the Mac Jones of the world to march down the field when a stop wins the game.

 

Bottom line is that Josh has done enough multiple times to set this team up to win with two minutes or less, and the defense folds.

 

[DrBob806]

28 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said:

The Broncos had 4 drives start in our territory and only got 6 points on those. I would say they made big stops

Pretty much.

 

My perhaps stupid take is no team is ever able to defend a shovel pass.....that was the play that broke the Bills last night. Wilson made a desperation play & it worked.

12 men on the field, well that's just inexusable. That's on the players, ST captain, & coach. In McD's defense, he can't micro mnage every darn play, he trusts his assistants. 

 

This one really stings. I can't imagine the locker room now.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

21 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Recency bias.  You can go back numerous times since McD was here and see plays where the D won the game.

 

Taron Johnson intercepting Mahomes to end the game last year was one.

 

This offense is unacceptable and the fact people want to act like because they gave us a lead late that it somehow falls on the D is laughable.  They are the only reason the Bills weren't down by 20+ after handing them 4 TO's and an average drive start of their own 42 yard line.  So tired of watching this offense remind me of the Dick Jauron/Chan Gailey/Doug Marrone era offenses.  Inexcusable.

On a turnover. That’s the only times ever. I said, if we aren’t turning someone over we don’t ever stop them. That’s not something you can count on. If we don’t turn a team over they go right down the field on us. It’s not sustainable 

[Yobogoya!]

14 minutes ago, zow2 said:

13 seconds is the big "didn't get the big stop" moment, but yeah, there's been countless others.  Just this season, we've seen the offense finally show up late and the D could not get that one big stop against Denver, Cinci, Mac Jones, Jags.  And they didn't even stop the NY Giants, they got kinda lucky.  There's so many more including all those OT losses...

 

Yeah that's what gets me: the defense has made stops and played well at times, but the guys they simply aren't closing out games against...

 

Zach Wilson. Mac Jones. The shell of Russell Wilson. Even Tyrod should have won that game for the Giants if we're being honest. But how did we let it even come to that ref's split second decision against Tyrod Taylor and the worst offense in the league??

 

Even battered and bruised, a defense should be able to close out against those types of QB's. Every time. 

[BananaB]

2 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said:

It's too convenient to blame the defense.  They were on the field for 40 minutes compared to our O's 20 mins of possession.  They held up pretty much all game and it was bound to happen with the way the offense insists on screwing around for 85% of most games.  Instead of blaming the defense...point the blame at Allen and the coaching staff.  They lost this game, the Jets game, and the Patriots game.

It’s not because it’s happening so much. It’s not even like we are playing good offences every week and still happens. The game is 60 minutes, I understand that they are on the field a lot but does it really look like they are exhausted on those drives or are they just getting beat? I myself think tired excuse is a copout. The only game where it looked like anyone was sucking wind was against the Jags. 

[Ramza86]

1 minute ago, The Jokeman said:

Wilson was averaging less than 5 yards a pass. The problem wasn't we rushed him, the problem was Taron got beat and had to recover and his first instinct was play the man not the ball and got flagged for it. Do we blame coaches or players at that point? It can go both ways but last night I blame Taron on that, as he's been horrible in coverage most of this season. 

 

You dont think its the coaches fault for not understanding the postion hes putting his players in?

 

You and I know Taron has been dog****......so why tf is mdcdermott putting him in that position?

 

[The Jokeman]

2 minutes ago, BeastMaster said:

You have to hold the defense and the coach who is supposed to be a guru on that side to not let the Mac Jones of the world to march down the field when a stop wins the game.

 

Bottom line is that Josh has done enough multiple times to set this team up to win with two minutes or less, and the defense folds.

 

Maybe Josh should have better clock management, instead of running for a go ahead TD fall down at the 1, it helped when Fred Jackson did  it against the Patriots a few years back and am sure are other NFL game examples I can't think of. 

[Avisan]

1 minute ago, The Jokeman said:

Wilson was averaging less than 5 yards a pass. The problem wasn't we rushed him, the problem was Taron got beat and had to recover and his first instinct was play the man not the ball and got flagged for it. Do we blame coaches or players at that point? It can go both ways but last night I blame Taron on that, as he's been horrible in coverage most of this season. 

Honestly the most frustrating part of this team is that birds-eye-view, things appear to be well-called.

 

Like, even all of the "OfFeNsE iS sChEmAtIcAlLy BrOkEn!!1!" videos involve breakdowns of plays where... there is a guy wide open for the first down that Allen just doesn't see because he locked on somewhere else.

 

The defensive play call worked, and Wilson had to throw up prayer ball that spent like five seconds in the air to keep the game alive.  Taron got beat clean off the line to start the play AND THEN made a boneheaded error trying to make up for the first mistake.  What level of situational incompetence can coaches reasonably be asked to plan for?  At what point is it coaching, and at what point is it players failing at their jobs?

 

How much can change with new coaching staff if the players just aren't getting it done?

[JohnBonhamRocks]

They do make big stops, and that is without 3 pillars on defense, but after they have been on the field all game yes they expectedly struggle toward the end.

 

Like has been mentioned, the defense also gets regularly screwed by being given short fields and yet still holds up often.

 

Once again, this is on the offense. 
 

Edit: I will say that someone has to stop slathering our defenders’ arms in butter pregame. Never seen so many missed sacks and tackles, and under a defensive-minded HC.

Edited November 14, 2023 by JohnBonhamRocks

[The Jokeman]

Just now, Ramza86 said:

 

You dont think its the coaches fault for not understanding the postion hes putting his players in?

 

You and I know Taron has been dog****......so why tf is mdcdermott putting him in that position?

 

He's the best option we have at this moment and he's shown he can make plays in years past. Blame the coaches all you want but sometimes players need to be accountable too. 

[Yobogoya!]

8 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Wilson was averaging less than 5 yards a pass. The problem wasn't we rushed him, the problem was Taron got beat and had to recover and his first instinct was play the man not the ball and got flagged for it. Do we blame coaches or players at that point? It can go both ways but last night I blame Taron on that, as he's been horrible in coverage most of this season. 

 

Taron running into a guy who's wide open from behind feels like a running gag at this point. 

 

Like Lucy yanking the ball away from Charlie Brown. Everyone knows it's coming, even Taron. But he can't help himself and does it anyway. 😂

[MikePJ76]

5 minutes ago, DrBob806 said:

Pretty much.

 

My perhaps stupid take is no team is ever able to defend a shovel pass.....that was the play that broke the Bills last night. Wilson made a desperation play & it worked.

12 men on the field, well that's just inexusable. That's on the players, ST captain, & coach. In McD's defense, he can't micro mnage every darn play, he trusts his assistants. 

 

This one really stings. I can't imagine the locker room now.

in regards to the 12 men penalty.

 

Most coaches in this scenario when the broncos were getting the ball back to go score and win would really hold onto that last timeout for this exact situation.  You want to have that timeout to prevent this kind of thing.   Once Denver lined up there was nothing anybody could do because they would never be able to get off the field in time.  

 

 

[Bray Wyatt]

Just now, MikePJ76 said:

in regards to the 12 men penalty.

 

Most coaches in this scenario when the broncos were getting the ball back to go score and win would really hold onto that last timeout for this exact situation.  You want to have that timeout to prevent this kind of thing.   Once Denver lined up there was nothing anybody could do because they would never be able to get off the field in time.  

 

 

 

We lost a timeout because Cam Lewis got hurt inside 2 minutes, not because McD used it.

[Nuncha]

41 minutes ago, Gregg said:

You are correct. When the Bills made it 22-21 the first thing, I said was they will lose 24-22. 

I was there with you.   KC did it to us in 13 seconds.  Denver had about 2 minutes (with time outs) which is eternity then miss the FG but get another shot at it because of a 12th idiot on the field.  Just when you think you saw every possible way a team can lose, our beloved Bills find another way to rip out your heart and soul.

Edited November 14, 2023 by Nuncha

[MikePJ76]

Just now, Bray Wyatt said:

 

We lost a timeout because Cam Lewis got hurt inside 2 minutes, not because McD used it.

yes but they called two after the first and second down play

[Bray Wyatt]

1 minute ago, MikePJ76 said:

yes but they called two after the first and second down play

 

I dont have any issue with how McD played it there time out wise. He made them have to rush out and have to kick, he should have told his team what to do and expect during that last time out and failed, thats where he messed up

Edited November 14, 2023 by Bray Wyatt

[FireChans]

16 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

The defense absolutely kept us alive in that first half but when the lights came on and the game was changing we needed to make a stop we let them go right down the field on us. It’s just constant. The entire game counts I get that but once we took a late lead, you have to hold it.

Here’s an idea. Get a lead early instead.