So, Diggs saw this coming, no?

[Mango]

Listening to Diggs presser. He has a level head around Dorsey. He also seems the most upbeat about it from everybody I have heard. 

I do wish the reporters would have the balls to redirect the question around his brother based on his answer. "You will have to ask my brother about that, because that is how he feels"....OK dude, how do you feel about your brothers thoughts on Josh Allen? Do you feel the same way? 

He hasn't really walked the statement back...at all...

"Does it matter how I feel?" 
"Personal feelings are personal. I am a professional at the end of the day"

This is where things always get so messy. He didn't say anything controversial. All in all this was a decent presser. But he also seems to consistently refuse to put this issue to bed. It is why he gets asked about it so often. Because things happen. He acts a certain way. Or his brother tweets about certain things. And he never ever just says "no". 

[Low Positive]

43 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

2 options:

 

1 - Talk to my brother... tell him to knock it off etc.  

 

2 - Post something on social media and really give this non-story some legs...

 

That was more about usage and money.  He got paid here, and he gets the most targets in the league.  So what does he want? 

 

I'll tell ya this - they aren't trading him to the cowboys, and they aren't cutting him.  Is he going to be happy when all this gets him traded to the giants or packers?  

 

Doing nothing will also make this fizzle out.  There's no football for 2 days, were the last team that played.  There's a pretty big game tonight, so i think it'll die out naturally.  

 

Sometimes PR will dictate a response, other times you can just address it behind the scenes and let it go.  

And the Bills just fired the OC mid-season, so disfunction in Buffalo is THE story of the week. At least until the game tonight.

[BillsSbSoon]

18 minutes ago, Mango said:

Listening to Diggs presser. He has a level head around Dorsey. He also seems the most upbeat about it from everybody I have heard. 

I do wish the reporters would have the balls to redirect the question around his brother based on his answer. "You will have to ask my brother about that, because that is how he feels"....OK dude, how do you feel about your brothers thoughts on Josh Allen? Do you feel the same way? 

He hasn't really walked the statement back...at all...

"Does it matter how I feel?" 
"Personal feelings are personal. I am a professional at the end of the day"

This is where things always get so messy. He didn't say anything controversial. All in all this was a decent presser. But he also seems to consistently refuse to put this issue to bed. It is why he gets asked about it so often. Because things happen. He acts a certain way. Or his brother tweets about certain things. And he never ever just says "no". 

That’s what I thought too. He didn’t say he disagreed with anything his brother said, just only said to ask his brother about it. All had had to say to put it to bed was, I believe in Josh and I want to be in Buffalo. He didn’t say either of those things. This will be an issue again in the offseason and either beane or the new regime will have to handle it. Is his contact truly untradeable right now? Because things are clearly headed for a divorce 

[IBTG81]

5 minutes ago, BillsSbSoon said:

That’s what I thought too. He didn’t say he disagreed with anything his brother said, just only said to ask his brother about it. All had had to say to put it to bed was, I believe in Josh and I want to be in Buffalo. He didn’t say either of those things. This will be an issue again in the offseason and either beane or the new regime will have to handle it. Is his contact truly untradeable right now? Because things are clearly headed for a divorce 

Disagree. You could tell he didn’t want to put his brother on blast in the media. 

[Mango]

7 minutes ago, BillsSbSoon said:

That’s what I thought too. He didn’t say he disagreed with anything his brother said, just only said to ask his brother about it. All had had to say to put it to bed was, I believe in Josh and I want to be in Buffalo. He didn’t say either of those things. This will be an issue again in the offseason and either beane or the new regime will have to handle it. Is his contact truly untradeable right now? Because things are clearly headed for a divorce 

 

I posted elsewhere, no I do not think it is. 

Pre-June 1 Trade: The team does have to eat $31M in dead cap yes. But Diggs is would cost $28M to have on the roster. So it isn't a net $30M dead cap hit, the Bills only lose $3M. There is one positive to a pre-June 1 cut and that is that Diggs is off of the books entirely for 2025. 

Post-June 1 Trade: The Bills gain $19M for the 2024 season. Huge positive, especially given our cap situation for 2024. On the other hand we have $22M in dead Diggs money for 2025. Which would stink, but it is nearly identical if he were on the roster. So the net change is $0 for 2025. 

 

Depending on the date a Diggs trade in 2024 has a cap hit of up to $19M for that season. That is 14th highest WR cap hit in that year. That is very good value. And because Buffalo has restructured Diggs about as far as they can, they own all the bonus money (which is essentially what dead cap is), any team that makes that trade will save money if they cut/trade him in 2025 or beyond. 

Edited November 16, 2023 by Mango

[Wayne Arnold]

McDermott leaves this franchise before Diggs does.

[uninja]

1 minute ago, Wayne Arnold said:

McDermott leaves this franchise before Diggs does.

 

Right now I think Josh Allen and Stefon Diggs are more valuable to the Bills org than McDermott is

[The Wiz]

15 minutes ago, BillsSbSoon said:

That’s what I thought too. He didn’t say he disagreed with anything his brother said, just only said to ask his brother about it. All had had to say to put it to bed was, I believe in Josh and I want to be in Buffalo. He didn’t say either of those things. This will be an issue again in the offseason and either beane or the new regime will have to handle it. Is his contact truly untradeable right now? Because things are clearly headed for a divorce 

You mean what he did in training camp?  But now because they are .500 and fired their OC and his brother tweeted something it means he doesn't like it here anymore.

 

https://youtu.be/bjCNmgp6a8k?t=313

Edited November 16, 2023 by The Wiz

[WotAGuy]

When asked how he feels about the OC change, he basically turned it back on the reporter and asked “what does it matter?”  And that’s exactly the point, it doesn’t matter. It’s a done deal.  Shut up and play, which is what Diggs meant by emphasizing he’s a professional.
 

It seems clear to me Diggs isn’t happy about a lot of things internally, but doesn’t want to fan the flames by speaking out about it.  It’s what he doesn’t say that is speaking most loudly here. 

[TBBills Fan]

On 11/14/2023 at 12:46 AM, Dr.Sack said:

Diggs saw what coming? A 5-5 start with zero blow out losses?

 

That out SB dreams were just the team "closing their eyes and making a wish"

 

This team and staff has gotten stale.  

 

 

[The Wiz]

50 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

When asked how he feels about the OC change, he basically turned it back on the reporter and asked “what does it matter?”  And that’s exactly the point, it doesn’t matter. It’s a done deal.  Shut up and play, which is what Diggs meant by emphasizing he’s a professional.
 

It seems clear to me Diggs isn’t happy about a lot of things internally, but doesn’t want to fan the flames by speaking out about it.  It’s what he doesn’t say that is speaking most loudly here. 

What does he need to say?

 

He answered most of those questions in training camp but since his brother made a comment it means something more?

[Cray51]

Diggs gave the professional answer.  He isnt a guy for lip service.   The guy is a top player at his position, and is the farthest thing from a diva.  Those that get worked up are people who put personal feelings ahead of winning.

 

Diggs comes to play every damn week.  We have seen nothing less.  He is here, and it’s the rest of the team’s responsibility to do their part to win

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 hour ago, Low Positive said:

And the Bills just fired the OC mid-season, so disfunction in Buffalo is THE story of the week. At least until the game tonight.

 

Yup - I thought his presser was a good like... REMINDER: My brother is an adult who is free to do and say what he wants.  I may talk to him about it, i may not, but its not any of your business.  Nothing i have said or done this season has indicated that i don't want to be here now, or tomorrow, or ever.  

[Ya Digg?]

1 hour ago, BillsSbSoon said:

That’s what I thought too. He didn’t say he disagreed with anything his brother said, just only said to ask his brother about it. All had had to say to put it to bed was, I believe in Josh and I want to be in Buffalo. He didn’t say either of those things. This will be an issue again in the offseason and either beane or the new regime will have to handle it. Is his contact truly untradeable right now? Because things are clearly headed for a divorce 

The mental hoops some of you guys jump through to make Diggs sound like a malcontent, miserable, diva, etc is quite alarming. He’s said lots of times that Josh is his QB, he wants to win here, everything you guys want…you sound like a kid talking about his girlfriend in high school “yeah but she hasn’t said she loves me since last week, I think she’s cheating on me with some other guy 😭😭😭😭” 

 

next thing you know people are going to be breaking down the pauses he takes when he speaks, the inflection he uses-it’s getting out of control 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 hour ago, Mango said:

 

I posted elsewhere, no I do not think it is. 

Pre-June 1 Trade: The team does have to eat $31M in dead cap yes. But Diggs is would cost $28M to have on the roster. So it isn't a net $30M dead cap hit, the Bills only lose $3M. There is one positive to a pre-June 1 cut and that is that Diggs is off of the books entirely for 2025. 

Post-June 1 Trade: The Bills gain $19M for the 2024 season. Huge positive, especially given our cap situation for 2024. On the other hand we have $22M in dead Diggs money for 2025. Which would stink, but it is nearly identical if he were on the roster. So the net change is $0 for 2025. 

 

Depending on the date a Diggs trade in 2024 has a cap hit of up to $19M for that season. That is 14th highest WR cap hit in that year. That is very good value. And because Buffalo has restructured Diggs about as far as they can, they own all the bonus money (which is essentially what dead cap is), any team that makes that trade will save money if they cut/trade him in 2025 or beyond. 

 

I still don't really know... why he'd supposedly demand a trade.  He got paid here into his 30s as a WR, not usually a given.  So money isn't a motivator - and this is the case in probably 99% of trade demands.  He wanted out of Minnesota for usage concerns (they had the 3rd fewest pass attempts his last year there)... well he's among the most targeted players in football since going to buffalo.  He's on a contender with a QB.  

 

Hopkins wanted a trade to a contender.  It didn't work, and he was released - and ended up signing with a non-contender because of his monetary demands.  Buffalo can't cut him - it would be a net negative to the cap.  He's not rodgers... there isn't anything he can do to prevent getting sent to Green Bay, or Atlanta or something.  

[The Wiz]

6 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

The mental hoops some of you guys jump through to make Diggs sound like a malcontent, miserable, diva, etc is quite alarming. He’s said lots of times that Josh is his QB, he wants to win here, everything you guys want…you sound like a kid talking about his girlfriend in high school “yeah but she hasn’t said she loves me since last week, I think she’s cheating on me with some other guy 😭😭😭😭” 

 

next thing you know people are going to be breaking down the pauses he takes when he speaks, the inflection he uses-it’s getting out of control 

Part of the problem is the information that is given out.  Some people don't get enough and some people get too much.

 

Don't get enough are watching ESPN/Fox/etc sports media that spin whatever they want.

 

Too much is seeing Treyvon make a comment on twitter and his brother replies to it in a positive way toward the team and his QB but need to spin it into a negative because they aren't happy with their team right now.

 

Like I said before, Diggs addressed all of this earlier in the season and the only thing he seems annoyed about right now, is the narrative that he doesn't want to be here or like Allen.  It's pretty sad how everything needs to be a bad thing when someone says something. 

 

[NewEra]

He gives the best pressers of any player I can remember.  We need to do whatever it takes to keep him here long term. He’s going to be a close to elite WR for 3-5 more years imo.  

Edited November 17, 2023 by NewEra

[Mango]

1 minute ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

I still don't really know... why he'd supposedly demand a trade.  He got paid here into his 30s as a WR, not usually a given.  So money isn't a motivator - and this is the case in probably 99% of trade demands.  He wanted out of Minnesota for usage concerns (they had the 3rd fewest pass attempts his last year there)... well he's among the most targeted players in football since going to buffalo.  He's on a contender with a QB.  

 

Hopkins wanted a trade to a contender.  It didn't work, and he was released - and ended up signing with a non-contender because of his monetary demands.  Buffalo can't cut him - it would be a net negative to the cap.  He's not rodgers... there isn't anything he can do to prevent getting sent to Green Bay, or Atlanta or something.  

 

I am not advocating cutting or trading him unless of course he demands it. And to your point, why the fork would he do that, his situation here is pretty good. His "net negative" is $3M next year. My only argument is with people who say "he can't be moved his contract is too prohibitive". It isn't. 

 

That said, I don't think he finishes his contract here in Buffalo. It is just really high and extends all the way passed his 34th birthday After 2024 the team saves money by moving on. Right now I think $27-$28M for a receiver is too big of a hit multiple years in a row. I wouldn't balk at a high year or two, but he is about to have 4 of them. The only way to avoid those numbers and keep him is an extension. at a value I would guess he wouldn't take right now. He is a top 5 receiver and we would be asking him to sign a 3 year $12M AAV deal. Which sounds crazy. But also he would be 37 tears old when that ends and we have no idea the type of player anybody will be at that age. 

 

[Cheektowaga Chad]

Diggs has played this incredibly professionally in public since the whole "McDermott is very concerned" 

 

So if actually wants off the team, they should make moves to do so but I don't think he wants off the team, I think he just wants to win 

[WotAGuy]

40 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

What does he need to say?

 

He answered most of those questions in training camp but since his brother made a comment it means something more?

If you listened to his presser, that was exactly his point and he addressed it perfectly.