So, Diggs saw this coming, no?

[C.Biscuit97]

Diggs is always crying about something though. He cried in Minnesota when they almost went to the SB. He acts like he’s the only who cares. 
 

id also argue that he bullied Allen and Dorsey to feed him the ball to the point where Allen struggles to find other guys. Diggs is a great receiver. I struggle to call him a great leader. He’s the guy who wants to leave the second it gets tough.

 

again, great player and he makes this offense way better. But I’d love to see what we could get for him this offense. The. Just load up young high draft pick receivers (much cheaper, less whiny) and have them grow with Allen.  

[Buffalo_Stampede]

17 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

Diggs gets a pass because he expects greatness from himself and his teammates. The only difference he delivers consistenly.

I don’t know. You never hear him complaining about Gabe Davis when he struggles. In fact it’s the opposite. 

[thenorthremembers]

 

Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

Diggs is always crying about something though. He cried in Minnesota when they almost went to the SB. He acts like he’s the only who cares. 
 

id also argue that he bullied Allen and Dorsey to feed him the ball to the point where Allen struggles to find other guys. Diggs is a great receiver. I struggle to call him a great leader. He’s the guy who wants to leave the second it gets tough.

 

again, great player and he makes this offense way better. But I’d love to see what we could get for him this offense. The. Just load up young high draft pick receivers (much cheaper, less whiny) and have them grow with Allen.  

Couldnt agree more.  Being a great leader is deciding what reaction/action is necessary for a given situation.   He doesnt have that ability.  He only runs hot, and often times that is the exact wrong reaction, often times based on selfish reasoning.   He is a great talent, but he is also an emotionally immature guy.   I would have no problem with the Bills moving on from him in the offseason.   I dont think his attitude or his brother's idiotic inability to keep the situation off twitter is helpful to the team at all.

 

That said, if they ship him off they have to get a wideout back in the deal.    Would love to see him in a Bears uniform next year.

[Bobby Hooks]

1 hour ago, CEN-CAL17 said:

Let’s see what happens after 2-3 more losses. 
 

Im not against Diggs but I definitely wouldn’t be shocked if we see and hear “un-captain” like behavior.

 

But I do believe McDermotts days should be numbered. Think about it, he has no DC and now his OC is Joe Brady. McD has had his chance and it’s time for a fresh start. How players react in the next couple months May also help that, Cause at this point I think Diggs is more important to the team over McDermott. Cause McD is failing, especially if this team finishing sub .500 at 8-9. 9-8 ain’t much better, that where this team is headed.

 

 

 

 

“Un-captain like behavior?” 
 

The guy is the only one that still seems to have some fire in him, he didn’t like the way this team was rolling since last year and he’s been completely proven right. He’s been quiet as a mouse while all this has been going down, and he would be completely right to speak up. 
 

IF he speaks up and starts ruffling feathers, I’d 100% back it. The guy wants to win and be competitive, that sentiment doesn’t seem to be shared by this team. 
 

I completely expect that he’s going to try and find a way off this team, and I wouldnt hold it against him. In fact, I think we should do it. He’s the only one on this team outside of Allen that would still command a return, and given how this team has been functioning with a bonafide #1 receiver it doesn’t seem to matter. 
 

Imo, this teams needs a re-tooling and Diggs won’t be the same guy he is now by the time we’re ready to compete again. Get what you can now for the future. 
 

 

[BillsfaninChicago]

5 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Not until after next year as his contract is basically untradeable.  Diggs can either play on his deal through 2024 or sit out 2024 and not get paid.

That is a good point and very nice contractual feature that may actually save the core of this team.

[EasternOHBillsFan]

8 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

He is a great talent, but he is also an emotionally immature guy.   I would have no problem with the Bills moving on from him in the offseason.   I dont think his attitude or his brother's idiotic inability to keep the situation off twitter is helpful to the team at all.

 

That said, if they ship him off they have to get a wideout back in the deal.    Would love to see him in a Bears uniform next year.

 

You mistake immaturity for passion and determination... the COACHING STAFF isn't helpful to the team at all, and Stefon has exhausted his options at this point to affect change. What else is he going to do, continue to sit there in team meetings and on the sideline with an "it is what it is" attitude like many of the other players?!?!?! He's a warrior and has the passion and desire to be better, do more, WIN... 

[dorquemada]

1 hour ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

I want you to keep this energy up when Gabe Davis is your #1 WR. 

 

Good God of course that's how it's going to happen, isn't it?  Dude must have pictures of someone

 

What would restore some faith in Beane would be taking a WR high, someone with speed.  I should hold my breath on that right?

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 minute ago, dorquemada said:

 

Good God of course that's how it's going to happen, isn't it?  Dude must have pictures of someone

 

What would restore some faith in Beane would be taking a WR high, someone with speed.  I should hold my breath on that right?

You would think this is the most obvious need on this team. 

 

Sure the Bills don't have much at DT, we all know the contracts expire after this year, and of course we'll need Safeties, you can always use a corner, etc.  

 

But Josh Allen is the franchise, and our serious investment at WR ended 3 years ago. 

[dorquemada]

Just now, Straight Hucklebuck said:

You would think this is the most obvious need on this team. 

 

Sure the Bills don't have much at DT, we all know the contracts expire after this year, and of course we'll need Safeties, you can always use a corner, etc.  

 

But Josh Allen is the franchise, and our serious investment at WR ended 3 years ago. 

 

All I want to see is WR and OL.  Grab some DL off the scrap heap for all we're getting out of what we have

[Bruffalo]

5 minutes ago, dorquemada said:

 

Good God of course that's how it's going to happen, isn't it?  Dude must have pictures of someone

 

What would restore some faith in Beane would be taking a WR high, someone with speed.  I should hold my breath on that right?

In my mind it's going to take walking away from McDermott.  It's Beane's job to scout the players, but McDermott is the one shouting in his ear on what the team "needs".  
 

McDermott has always prioritized defense to a zealous degree. If we spent a chunk of those high picks on offensive talent we probably would have a ring right now. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Just now, Bruffalo said:

In my mind it's going to take walking away from McDermott.  It's Beane's job to scout the players, but McDermott is the one shouting in his ear on what the team "needs".  
 

McDermott has always prioritized defense to a zealous degree. If we spent a chunk of those high picks on offensive talent we probably would have a ring right now. 

Absolutely.

 

Any wonder the Bills invest in a 1st Round TE, and 6 games into his career he passes all the WRs, on the roster except Diggs? 
 

And now we can’t imagine a game where he doesn’t catch 5-6 balls? 
 

TALENT, not picking up Saints 4th WRs and journeyman and hoping 4th and 5th Rounders become good players. 

[dorquemada]

4 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:

In my mind it's going to take walking away from McDermott.  It's Beane's job to scout the players, but McDermott is the one shouting in his ear on what the team "needs".  
 

McDermott has always prioritized defense to a zealous degree. If we spent a chunk of those high picks on offensive talent we probably would have a ring right now. 

 

I'm wondering if McDuh is reading the tea leaves here that his pet obsession with high motor undersized DL isn't going to fly any more.  He doesn't strike me as a situationally aware guy in this sense.  As they say about Communism, McD's philosophy cannot fail; it can only be failed

[vanislebills44]

Stephon Diggs hates to lose.

 

Probably more than he loves winning.

 

That's his "problem".....................not a bad problem 2 have in all aspects of life

[C.Biscuit97]

42 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

You mistake immaturity for passion and determination... the COACHING STAFF isn't helpful to the team at all, and Stefon has exhausted his options at this point to affect change. What else is he going to do, continue to sit there in team meetings and on the sideline with an "it is what it is" attitude like many of the other players?!?!?! He's a warrior and has the passion and desire to be better, do more, WIN... 

I’m not thrived with the staff right now but kinda BS to give them no credit. Diggs has had the best seasons of his career here. Allen wasn’t 1st or 2nd team mountain west. Hyde and Poyer weren’t full time starters. Bernard, Milano, etc. plenty of guys have benefited from being in Buffalo. 
 

leasership isn’t whiny or throwing tantrums when things don’t go right (or having your annoying brother do it). It’s picking up your guy when times are tough. Or being happy with a win even though you had 2 catches. This is why it is really hard for receivers to be leaders of teams. Teams can win games and they won’t always get their numbers (which hurts their bottom line). 
 

I love Diggs as a player but there are so many better ways to lead than he does. 

[JohnBonhamRocks]

1 hour ago, CaliBills said:

 

Is that why when others get the ball he kind of just stands around....  Especially on pass plays, even those close to him.

 

Edit: both him and Davis do it and it is annoying seeing it happen consistently

If you think Diggs is even remotely close to “the problem” then I respectfully and wholeheartedly disagree. 

[Solomon Grundy]

 

“Un-captain like behavior?”

See Gabe Davis!! 

2 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

I do agree that little bro bro running his mouth is bad look. IMO the Diggs stuff was over blown, but he could have simply sent 1 Tweet that would have stopped a whole offseason of speculation. 
 

Lil Diggs is publicly running his mouth, if Big Diggs wants to stay here hope he nips it. We will see. 
 

Lil Diggs bashing Allen publicly isn’t a good look. 

Lil Diggs should be worrying about Lil Dak🤷

[UKBillFan]

21 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

If you think Diggs is even remotely close to “the problem” then I respectfully and wholeheartedly disagree. 

 

Agreed, he's not the problem but IMO he is a problem.

[Mango]

4 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

The dead cap on a Diggs trade after June 1st next off-season is $8.8M. Yes, a good chunk of change but it's completely feasible depending on the return of compensation. It would also clear $19M off the cap assuming any team that traded for him didn't have the Bills eat some of that.

 

Problem is I don't think at his age teams will be willing to give fair compensation for him. MAYBE Dallas is willing to move a 1st for him thinking he's the final piece of the puzzle. 

 

While I believe Diggs wants to win and win here in Buffalo with this team, it's fair to wonder if he doesn't try and force his way out of McDermott is brought back. You could also end up with a new coaching staff that is wanting to move on from him and start fresh at the position. A lot of things possibly in play between now and week 1 next year. 

 

In the end I'm hoping we have a new HC, Diggs is optimistic and happy about the chance to win here and it's business as usual next season for Diggs in Buffalo.

 

Not that you are doing this, but people talk about dead cap without relating it to the cap hit with the player on the roster. 

 

Pre-June 1 Trade: The team does have to eat $31M in dead cap yes. But Diggs is would cost $28M to have on the roster. So it isn't a net $30M dead cap hit, the Bills only lose $3M. There is one positive to a pre-June 1 cut and that is that Diggs is off of the books entirely for 2025. 

Post-June 1 Trade: The Bills gain $19M for the 2024 season. Huge positive, especially given our cap situation for 2024. On the other hand we have $22M in dead Diggs money for 2025. Which would stink, but it is nearly identical if he were on the roster. So the net change is $0 for 2025. 

 

One point of contention to the bolded. This one is just me being a bit pedantic so I apologize. But the NFL isn't like the NHL, teams cannot barter cap dollars because contracts are not guaranteed. Diggs would have to sign a new deal. And frankly I see no need to. I think his contract is friendly enough for a trade. Once Buffalo eats his bonus money, Diggs becomes super easy to move on from whenever the trading team see's fit. 

 

 

3 hours ago, Chugga said:

It is wild to me reading some of these comments.  “This isn’t an issue”.  Your #1 top WR has a brother who plays in the league full blown ******** on his team then doubles down a day later and ***** on his quarterback and people are like “he has passion, nothing to see here - that’s just his dumb brother”.

 

I love Stef, my favorite Bill but come on.  Where were all the people telling Pat to get Jackson off the sidelines and Brittney to shut the hell up.  “Control your family”.  And all that family ever did was do look at me behavior and cheerlead for their brother or husband.

 

It is crazy to me that people see absolutely nothing wrong with this.  I just wonder how everyone’s reactions would be to this stuff if he didn’t have an untradeable contract.  Would you feel a different type of way maybe?

 

See above. Diggs isn't untradeable next season. Depending on the date of trade Diggs will either save this team $19M or cost the team an additional $3M for the season. 

 

Any team that acquires Diggs in 2024 has a $19M cap hit for that season. That is 14th highest cap hit in that league year among WR. That is very good value. And because Buffalo has restructured Diggs about as far as they can, they own all the bonus money (which is what dead cap is), any team that makes that trade will save money if they cut/trade him in 2025 or beyond. 

(Just a disclaimer, I am not advocating we trade him. Just pointing out it is totally manageable)

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/stefon-diggs-16872/

Edited November 16, 2023 by Mango
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[DasNootz]

Diggs is only a problem to talking heads and call-in radio listeners.  His brother tweeting is a distraction.. but that's not a reflection of what #14 brings to the table.

 

He works hard at is craft - harder than anyone on the roster from what I've seen.  

He wants to win.
He produces and doesn't disappear from games.
 

In the moments after the Hamlin collapse - he was the lone member trying to regroup and get ready.  He gets labeled as a "Diva"  because of the position he plays.  If he was a QB, we'd say he's a firey leader.

Edited November 16, 2023 by DasNootz

[CaliBills]

52 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

If you think Diggs is even remotely close to “the problem” then I respectfully and wholeheartedly disagree. 

 

Not saying he is the problem but its not all on Allen either.  Taking plays off when you don't get the ball to me is selfish.