Big Turk Posted November 14, 2023 Posted November 14, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, ngbills said: Wrong team. The Bills always kept games close during the drought. That was without a QB. Give any of them Allen and the results are as good or better. "Always"? Guess you don't remember the games like I do then. Was the 49-28 loss to the Patriots close? The 30-0 loss? The 52-28 loss? The 38-7 loss? The 56-10 loss? The 26-3 loss to Pittsburgh? The 36-14 loss to Jacksonville? The 38-21 loss to the Giants? Want me to keep going? I got a whole lot more to give you. Some of the games were close...many were blowout losses Edited November 14, 2023 by Big Turk 1 Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted November 14, 2023 Posted November 14, 2023 9 hours ago, NoSaint said: half the turnovers have been schematically ridiculous did the 5’6 but highly agile harty get his only target on a deep out with 45 seconds and no timeouts so every defender would be on the perimeter? Throw a long low developing pass to the guy that’s tiny and working in a phone booth at that point? and how were we not kicking into the end zone? sure 12 men is a mistake for the history books but the whole things a coaching disaster This was INFURIATING. My buddy said "bad decision/throw by Josh", but I'm wondering WhoTF is deciding to send our 5'6" WR on an out like that? Harty should be used on either 1. short gadget plays (end arounds, bubble screens, etc) or 2. deep shots where he is burning down the field in a straight line. The fact he was on the field, running that route is gross negligence and incompetence by the OC. This is what Josh means by "I'm just running the plays that are called". WTF else is he supposed to do when the coaches are sending in that player personnel, and putting those players on those routes? He can only audible and call plays on the fly so much. He cant re-design the whole Offense while trying to play the game. 1 2 Quote
Bruffalo Posted November 14, 2023 Posted November 14, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: This was INFURIATING. My buddy said "bad decision/throw by Josh", but I'm wondering WhoTF is deciding to send our 5'6" WR on an out like that? THANK YOU. I'm on a text thread with a lot of my friends from growing up in Buffalo about the Bills. Everyone was blowing up with "Allen what are you doing!?" and things of that manner. I said essentially the same thing you just did "Why are they calling that play? Josh has been picked on that spot like 4 times this season and you have the shortest guy on the team running that route." I don't give a damn if there are built in "answers" or if the 3rd/4th guy in the progression is open on that play, when your QB can't execute it and has shown that it confuses him into making the wrong decision, STOP CALLING THE FREAKING PLAY DORSEY. Ugh. Edited November 14, 2023 by Bruffalo 1 Quote
Danger Mouse Posted November 14, 2023 Posted November 14, 2023 1 hour ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Watch the fake Twitter accounts today everyone. I doubt we make any kind of move on a short week, but I’d be beyond shocked if Dorsey was on the staff after the bye week. I think Dorsey is canned and Pegs pays close attention to how the team rallies. They didn’t look like a group of guys fighting for their HC last night. This is sensible stuff Quote
JerseyBills Posted November 14, 2023 Posted November 14, 2023 as bad as it seems and feels, we're literally a handful of plays from being 8-2. Also handful of plays from being 3-7... It's not like teams are running us over but we're killing ourselves in close games.. The only optimism is this is fixable and we have (barely any) hope that they figure it out and win the division or sneak in as a WC. 2 1 Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted November 14, 2023 Posted November 14, 2023 11 minutes ago, Big Turk said: "Always"? Guess you don't remember the games like I do then. Was the 49-28 loss to the Patriots close? The 30-0 loss? The 52-28 loss? The 38-7 loss? The 56-10 loss? The 26-3 loss to Pittsburgh? The 36-14 loss to Jacksonville? The 38-21 loss to the Giants? Want me to keep going? I got a whole lot more to give you. Some of the games were close...many were blowout losses And yet, I still had more confidence in Chan, Fitz, and ol Steve to do his thing, than I do right now with these jabronis under Dorsey/McD. 1 minute ago, JerseyBills said: as bad as it seems and feels, we're literally a handful of plays from being 8-2. Also handful of plays from being 3-7... It's not like teams are running us over but we're killing ourselves in close games.. The only optimism is this is fixable and we have (barely any) hope that they figure it out and win the division or sneak in as a WC. We keep it close because we have TALENT. It's fixable because we have TALENT. But it will take redoing the coaching staff to fix it. We'll see if/when Terry pulls that lever. 2 1 Quote
NoSaint Posted November 14, 2023 Posted November 14, 2023 13 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: This was INFURIATING. My buddy said "bad decision/throw by Josh", but I'm wondering WhoTF is deciding to send our 5'6" WR on an out like that? Harty should be used on either 1. short gadget plays (end arounds, bubble screens, etc) or 2. deep shots where he is burning down the field in a straight line. The fact he was on the field, running that route is gross negligence and incompetence by the OC. This is what Josh means by "I'm just running the plays that are called". WTF else is he supposed to do when the coaches are sending in that player personnel, and putting those players on those routes? He can only audible and call plays on the fly so much. He cant re-design the whole Offense while trying to play the game. I’m sure we will see shots of guys running with space - who knows if they are even a read on the play or the space is on schedule - and downplay the continued systematic misuse of play calls and personnel packages. the design is a mess. The qb is playing uncomfortably because of it. 1 Quote
Heels20X6 Posted November 14, 2023 Posted November 14, 2023 Not sure how many canucks are on the board, but if anyone watches the Canadian version of Sportscenter, we have Luke Wilson (former Seahawks TE) always on post-game. He has ALWAYS called out the McDermott Bills for their lack of fundamentals with a championship caliber squad. Since 2020 he has been harping that the Bills have always been terrible with the basics and have only been as good as they are just on sheer talent. He called last night's game (and this season), the "coming home to roost" year. He has been very critical of McDermott because he preaches fundamentals but nothing he sees on the Bills show that. It's just more proof that this franchise needs to move away from the McDermott era ASAP. He had his role, he changed the culture but its clear he lacks the ability to not drive a Porsche like it's a Datsun. 1 2 Quote
Gregg Posted November 14, 2023 Posted November 14, 2023 15 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: as bad as it seems and feels, we're literally a handful of plays from being 8-2. Also handful of plays from being 3-7... It's not like teams are running us over but we're killing ourselves in close games.. The only optimism is this is fixable and we have (barely any) hope that they figure it out and win the division or sneak in as a WC. It is fixable but not this year. New HC, OC, DC after the season and then they can start to fix things. Won't happen with the current coaches. Quote
BeastMaster Posted November 14, 2023 Posted November 14, 2023 19 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: as bad as it seems and feels, we're literally a handful of plays from being 8-2. Also handful of plays from being 3-7... It's not like teams are running us over but we're killing ourselves in close games.. The only optimism is this is fixable and we have (barely any) hope that they figure it out and win the division or sneak in as a WC. I get what you're saying, but what about this team makes you think they will be good enough at any phase (coaching included) to make a run against the opponents we have upcoming? This team is better off if they decide to tear it down, as opposed to trying to backdoor their way into a WC spot Quote
Big Turk Posted November 14, 2023 Posted November 14, 2023 21 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: And yet, I still had more confidence in Chan, Fitz, and ol Steve to do his thing, than I do right now with these jabronis under Dorsey/McD. We keep it close because we have TALENT. It's fixable because we have TALENT. But it will take redoing the coaching staff to fix it. We'll see if/when Terry pulls that lever. The #1 thing that will stop the cascade and reverse it would be to have McD give up DC duties and go back to overall management of the team only. It's no coincidence all of this stuff is snowballing as he continues to try to do the Travis Kelce "Two things at once!" and it's not going well at all. Name a coach on the defense DC for the season and make it an audition for the job next year. All of these detail oriented/focus/things slipping thru the cracks are a direct result of lack of oversight on things that continues to degrade little by little as he continues to not do it as effectively as he once did. This all started in pre-season and maybe training camp and has snowballed thru the pre-season and season. Only way to reverse it is for him to go back to team focus and not trying to do 2 things. Even Reid always has an OC that does most of the heavy lifting during the week in terms of game prep, etc. McD trying to do all of this on his own is simply too much and leading to everything else crumbling around the team. 2 Quote
Danger Mouse Posted November 14, 2023 Posted November 14, 2023 (edited) The announcer said something that summed it up nicely for me "Buffalo has tried everything they possibly can to lose this game, but the defence just hasn't let them" Pithy and felt spot on, up to that last drive. Also ... 2 minutes ago, Big Turk said: The #1 thing that will stop the cascade and reverse it would be to have McD give up DC duties and go back to overall management of the team only. It's no coincidence all of this stuff is snowballing as he continues to try to do the Travis Kelce "Two things at once!" and it's not going well at all. Name a coach on the defense DC for the season and make it an audition for the job next year. All of these detail oriented/focus/things slipping thru the cracks are a direct result of lack of oversight on things that continues to degrade little by little as he continues to not do it as effectively as he once did. This all started in pre-season and maybe training camp and has snowballed thru the pre-season and season. Only way to reverse it is for him to go back to team focus and not trying to do 2 things. Even Reid always has an OC that does most of the heavy lifting during the week in terms of game prep, etc. McD trying to do all of this on his own is simply too much and leading to everything else crumbling around the team. I mean, this has to be it. We're the only team in the NFL doing this (I think). And we're the only team in the NFL that *looks* like it's doing it. Edited November 14, 2023 by Bill Grundy Quote
Roundybout Posted November 14, 2023 Posted November 14, 2023 11 minutes ago, KHAN said: Jesus, what’s wrong with his hand? Quote
1onemangang7 Posted November 14, 2023 Posted November 14, 2023 1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said: i made a thread on this, but wont bump it since there are so many new threads today. If I'm Pegula, the only way McD keeps his job today is if he fires BOTH coordinators and goes back to being the HC running the whole team and working the details. Fire Dorsey, move out of DC. Promote Shula/Brady to OC and Bobby Babich to DC for the rest of the year, and see how it goes. It will at least tell Pegula whether he needs to be starting the search for a new HC, or just new OC. What about the GM? Quote
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted November 14, 2023 Posted November 14, 2023 Missing the playoffs in this roster window is sickening. It’s going to feel horrible watching the playoffs and knowing we should be there Quote
KHAN Posted November 14, 2023 Posted November 14, 2023 1 minute ago, Roundybout said: Jesus, what’s wrong with his hand? Side effect of the process. Also vertigo, oily stools and lack of sexual drive. Ask your doctor if "The Process" is right for you. 1 Quote
Billschinatown Posted November 14, 2023 Posted November 14, 2023 16 minutes ago, KHAN said: dang, this is art 4 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Jesus, what’s wrong with his hand? probably AI art..it struggles with hands 1 1 Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted November 14, 2023 Posted November 14, 2023 3 minutes ago, 1onemangang7 said: What about the GM? GM is fine and stays for the new regime. Just like they have done in Philly, Miami, Minnesota, etc. 1 Quote
JerseyBills Posted November 14, 2023 Posted November 14, 2023 38 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: And yet, I still had more confidence in Chan, Fitz, and ol Steve to do his thing, than I do right now with these jabronis under Dorsey/McD. We keep it close because we have TALENT. It's fixable because we have TALENT. But it will take redoing the coaching staff to fix it. We'll see if/when Terry pulls that lever. No chance McD gets fired this year. Maybe Dorsey after the bye if the O looks dreadful. We need to go 5-2 in the last 7 , we certainly have the talent to do so. It comes down to Allen imo. He has been very mediocre and while Dorsey deserves blame, I've watched him routinely miss or not even attempt a throw to wide open wrs Quote
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