Broncos @ Bills - Postgame Thread

[Dan Darragh]

41 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

I guess it was better getting their heads kicked in by 30 points on a weekly basis in those other years 3 times as frequently.

I used to pray that the Bills would start the season 0-5 so I could sit back and enjoy the games the rest of the season.

[Gunsgoodtime]

I see all these comments and terrible post about Josh Allen, but I fail to see how the 1st fumble in the 1st play of the game, and the right through the hands pads to Gabe Davis for an Interception just should be forgotten 

1 minute ago, Dan Darragh said:

I used to pray that the Bills would start the season 0-5 so I could sit back and enjoy the games the rest of the season.

It may not be as early as wished for, but its certainly a reasonable amount of time to not worry about the Bills for sure

[Milanos Milano]

1 minute ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

I see all these comments and terrible post about Josh Allen, but I fail to see how the 1st fumble in the 1st play of the game, and the right through the hands pads to Gabe Davis for an Interception just should be forgotten 

While Josh has had a lot of errors that have put us in bad spots. He’s not the heart of the problem. The scheme is all wrong for his playing style. No creativity, nothing. We need an offensive guru. 

[34-78-83]

3 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

The worst thing you could do is "manage Allen".  That is what McD is trying to do and it's destroying what makes Allen special and neutering the offense in the process. Allen is a special talent that needs special handling like Brett Favre or John Elway did to fully exploit his talents. 

 

And for the record DaBoll did not "manage" Allen he exploited Allen's unique and elite skill set.  And he did this successfully operating within an organization that favored the defense with the lions share of resources and never was willing to commit to assembling an elite offense to put around it's elite QB.

 

So instead of managing Allen the Bills need to:

 

*  First the Bills need an offensive mind that embraces and game plans around what Allen does best. DaBoll was that sort of offensive mind.  I suspect there are a lot of guys out there who could do it as DaBoll wasn't really all that special.  What he did with Allen was common sense when faced with a talent like Allen.

 

*  Second, the Bills need to surround Allen with high end complimentary skill players who can best take advantage of Allen's strengths.  Who is the Bills go to 50/50 pass catcher?  Why aren't the Bills emphasizing SPEED like the dolphins do.  And emphasizing speed isn't signing some role player who has lost a step like Harty.

 

*  Third, the Bills need a first rate O line.  For 5 seasons they bring in career back ups and lower draft picks and try to create a patch work line that at best is average and often much below that.

 

*  And finally the Bills need an offensive minded head coach that can get in Allen's face and lay the law down.  

 

Bean/McD's strategic plan was to build an elite D while relying on Allen to elevate the average offensive talent they put around him.  And Allen did elevate that talent which led to high scoring offenses and four straight trips to the playoffs and three straight division titles.  But the D never became truly elite and was the main cause for the Bills playoff exits all 4 years.

 

 

 

The O-line absolutely crushed it tonight. I do like your point about needing to add high end complimentary skill players though.

[Roundybout]

Ultimately it’s going to be on media to keep up the pressure and demand answers from everyone up to Pegula. 

[sven233]

1 hour ago, RiotAct said:

Wide Right

Music City Miracle

Just Give it To ‘Em

13 Seconds

12 Men

 

what am I missing?

 

Fourth and Stupid

Just Knock it Down

The Peterman Game

 

I know there's a bunch more, but I'm tired.....

[Gunsgoodtime]

Just now, Roundybout said:

Ultimately it’s going to be on media to keep up the pressure and demand answers from everyone up to Pegula. 

We know nothing will happen, at worst Dorsey goes at the end of the year.  At best won't happen

[Dan Darragh]

6 minutes ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

It may not be as early as wished for, but its certainly a reasonable amount of time to not worry about the Bills for sure

Wait until after the Jets game.  Will the Bills be a home 'dog next week?

Edited November 14, 2023 by Dan Darragh

[CincyBillsFan]

1 minute ago, 34-78-83 said:

The O-line absolutely crushed it tonight. I do like your point about needing to add high end complimentary skill players though.

I agree which makes this game all the more frustrating.  This offense is completely discombobulated.  

[Buffalo_Stampede]

On the bright side, at least we can all agree there needs to be changes.

 

 

[Gunsgoodtime]

1 minute ago, Dan Darragh said:

Wait until after the Jets game.  Will the Bills be a home 'dog next week?

I dont think it really matters anymore honestly 

[letsgoteam]

3 minutes ago, sven233 said:

 

Fourth and Stupid

Just Knock it Down

The Peterman Game

 

I know there's a bunch more, but I'm tired.....

Which one is fourth and stupid?

[DapperCam]

Do they really think people are going to shell out tens of thousands of dollars for private seat licenses for a 7-10 team? Pegula needs to get people excited somehow. Funding the new stadium depends on it.

[Dan Darragh]

5 minutes ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

I dont think it really matters anymore honestly 

You obviously don't have any Jets fans in your life.

[Milanos Milano]

2 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

Do they really think people are going to shell out tens of thousands of dollars for private seat licenses for a 7-10 team? Pegula needs to get people excited somehow. Funding the new stadium depends on it.

I’m not even going to shell out Sunday ticket purchases if changes don’t happen next year. Not a single cent. 

[Figster]

4 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

The worst thing you could do is "manage Allen".  That is what McD is trying to do and it's destroying what makes Allen special and neutering the offense in the process. Allen is a special talent that needs special handling like Brett Favre or John Elway did to fully exploit his talents. 

 

And for the record DaBoll did not "manage" Allen he exploited Allen's unique and elite skill set.  And he did this successfully operating within an organization that favored the defense with the lions share of resources and never was willing to commit to assembling an elite offense to put around it's elite QB.

 

So instead of managing Allen the Bills need to:

 

*  First the Bills need an offensive mind that embraces and game plans around what Allen does best. DaBoll was that sort of offensive mind.  I suspect there are a lot of guys out there who could do it as DaBoll wasn't really all that special.  What he did with Allen was common sense when faced with a talent like Allen.

 

*  Second, the Bills need to surround Allen with high end complimentary skill players who can best take advantage of Allen's strengths.  Who is the Bills go to 50/50 pass catcher?  Why aren't the Bills emphasizing SPEED like the dolphins do.  And emphasizing speed isn't signing some role player who has lost a step like Harty.

 

*  Third, the Bills need a first rate O line.  For 5 seasons they bring in career back ups and lower draft picks and try to create a patch work line that at best is average and often much below that.

 

*  And finally the Bills need an offensive minded head coach that can get in Allen's face and lay the law down.  

 

Bean/McD's strategic plan was to build an elite D while relying on Allen to elevate the average offensive talent they put around him.  And Allen did elevate that talent which led to high scoring offenses and four straight trips to the playoffs and three straight division titles.  But the D never became truly elite and was the main cause for the Bills playoff exits all 4 years.

 

 

 

Managing Allen doesn't mean you have to eliminate what makes him great. There's a time and place for everything. Throwing into double, even triple coverage is a mistake waiting to happen. Daboll ran Allen like a RB exploiting Allens skill set. Its not something that is going to give one of the best arms the NFL has ever seen, longevity.

 

You get that right?  

[Nextmanup]

9 minutes ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

We know nothing will happen, at worst Dorsey goes at the end of the year.  At best won't happen

I can't FATHOM surviving this season; he's gone for sure.  The question is who else is gone with him.

 

If McBeane remain, not sure much will change, especially if McDimwit is dictating playing style to the OC.

 

 

[CaptnCoke11]

1 hour ago, Roundybout said:

Im sorry, I have no respect for a guy who dogs it out there and who can’t hang on to a simple slant in the red zone, then won’t even own up for it. 

Except running the ball was the correct game plan today and he refused to do it.

I don’t see him dogging it at all.  He’s a limit route runner.  He’s good on routes down the field.   He’s a good run blocker but he’s not a #2.  Certainly not dogging it 

16 minutes ago, 34-78-83 said:

The O-line absolutely crushed it tonight. I do like your point about needing to add high end complimentary skill players though.

Yes the OL was fantastic tonight.  Albeit against a bad bad passing team and run defense 

[CincyBillsFan]

1 minute ago, Figster said:

Managing Allen doesn't mean you have to eliminate what makes him great. There's a time and place for everything. Throwing into double, even triple coverage is a mistake waiting to happen. Daboll ran Allen like a RB exploiting Allens skill set. Its not something that is going to give one of the best arms the NFL has ever seen, longevity.

 

You get that right?  

After 2019, DaBoll did a lot more than run Allen like a RB. In 2020, 2021 & 2022 the Bills had an elite passing attack led by Allen. 

 

And other then supporting Beans need to use Allen as a CAP ATM machine for extending the contract and freeing up money how valuable is "longevity"?  And what defines "longevity"?  Is another 6 or 7 years with Allen and the offense being highly productive using his full skill set and the Bills knocking on the SB door really worse then 10 to 12 more years of a less effective Allen?  I wonder what Allen would want?

 

But maybe you're right and the Bills can find the sweet spot where they "manage" Allen, extending his career while maintaining the "it" factor that makes Allen great.  But to do that they'll need to get coaches with the right skill sets to make it happen.  And more importantly they'll have to change the franchises focus from the defense to the offense.  I don't see McD or Bean as the guys to do it.

 

 

[Gunsgoodtime]

12 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

I can't FATHOM surviving this season; he's gone for sure.  The question is who else is gone with him.

 

If McBeane remain, not sure much will change, especially if McDimwit is dictating playing style to the OC.

 

 

That's why they all should go next year.  Our cap, fa's, etc is awful next year.  Reset, let a new offensive regime start the course for 2025.  Or as many of you want, repeat insanity expecting different results