HOW TIMES HAVE CHANGED

[DrBob806]

50 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

This will trigger lots of fans, but I think part of it is Bills fans got entitled. 

 

We are coming off a 10, 13, 11, and 13 win season. We witnessed greatness, flat out dominance at times over that run. We spanked big names, in prime time, in their houses on many occasions. 
 

Bills were everywhere, Josh’s face is on everything, and we witnessed greatness from the QB position to a level we have never seen.

 

We spent the last 20 years watching Brady, where QB greatness = rings. I think it has become expected. I think the players fell into the same trap. 
 

Problem is, any given Sunday isn’t a myth. There are no assumed victory’s.  The other problem is other key moves haven’t paid off, making the SB entitlement rather difficult. 

Yes & yes.

 

"entitled" may be a tad strong, as fans are fanatical lol. 

 

The so-called "natural progression" of paying your dues while "climbing the ladder" in the playoffs has kind of been broken by our Bills. Lots of teams had crushing playoff losses but bounced back and got it done. I think last season, we "expected" to go to the SB after the Hamlin incident & the NFL handing us a dome home game in Detroit. It crashed & burned, and many of us are still bitter.

 

8 games to go, expectations are low. Maybe that's a good thing.

[Virgil]

Careful or stroke number 18 will be upon you soon enough 

[BuffaloRebound]

McDermott was hired to make the playoffs and end the 17 year drought.  He’s accomplished that and we’ve been a legit  contender since 2020.  Like it or not the Bills aren’t an organization that demands championships.  Only way McDermott isn’t back next year is if Josh goes to Pegula  and demands a change.  

[Bills!Win!]

The bills are the Manning and Dungy colts. It took Manning 10 years to win a superbowl and he is a top 5 QB of all time. Dungy was a good coach and not a great coach (McDermott). 

Edited November 13, 2023 by Bills!Win!

[PBF81]

57 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

You usually fire people you hired.  Hard to fire someone you didn’t hire. And Dorsey needs to be fired if he can’t fix his mess. I’d also add the offense has actually let the defense down this season imo and last years playoffs.  

Pegula is making money. Lots of it. And if only winning a SB sells seats we would be watching empty stadiums.  

 

So you don't think he cares one way or the other whether the team wins?  

 

 

[nedboy7]

1 minute ago, PBF81 said:

 

So you don't think he cares one way or the other whether the team wins?  

 

 

The team is winning. Since McD got here business is doing great.  He might think we are underachieving this year which we are.  You think GMs meltdown each year if they don’t win the SB like the fans do?  

[Scott7975]

5 hours ago, stinky finger said:

Lots of good regular seasons for sure. 
 

But - “we’ve witnessed greatness”. Not sure about that. 

We have though. Perfect game against the pats. That game against KC was pretty amazing too. If not for 13 secs we’d be talking differently on how great that game was. Josh actually has a lot of impressive games under his belt and a ton more wow holy ***** can’t believe that happened throws. 

Edited November 13, 2023 by Scott7975

[nedboy7]

45 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

McDermott was hired to make the playoffs and end the 17 year drought.  He’s accomplished that and we’ve been a legit  contender since 2020.  Like it or not the Bills aren’t an organization that demands championships.  Only way McDermott isn’t back next year is if Josh goes to Pegula  and demands a change.  

This!  I suspect Josh demands a new OC before he tried to get McD fired. 

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, nedboy7 said:

You usually fire people you hired.  Hard to fire someone you didn’t hire. And Dorsey needs to be fired if he can’t fix his mess. I’d also add the offense has actually let the defense down this season imo and last years playoffs.  

Pegula is making money. Lots of it. And if only winning a SB sells seats we would be watching empty stadiums.  

I have an idea ned....why doesn't he hire better people...usually if you have to keep firing people you hired, that will eventually get you replaced by your superior....and obviously you must have checked out for the first quarter of the Cincy playoff game. It was 14-0 before Josh even touched the ball a second time.  

[TheyCallMeAndy]

4 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I have an idea ned....why doesn't he hire better people...usually if you have to keep firing people you hired, that will eventually get you replaced by your superior....and obviously you must have checked out for the first quarter of the Cincy playoff game. It was 14-0 before Josh even touched the ball a second time.  

This summer is critical for McD, and he’s never hired a top end OC. Dennison and DaBoll had been mediocre historically at best, Dorsey an elite QB coach but next to no play calling experience. I think the rest of the staff is pretty good. 
 

He’s got an elite QB, he will have big time options if (when?) Dorsey is canned. 

Edited November 13, 2023 by TheyCallMeAndy

[JTown]

2 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

You can't coach players to be younger. Can't coach players to not get injured. Can't coach players to be faster. 

You can coach players to be prepared for the next opponent. 

As a coach, you can game plan your offensive and defensive strategies. 

As a coach you can adjust your strategies  during the game.

As a coach you can manage the game as it changes.

As a coach you can utilize your players strengths and mask their weaknesses. 

As a coach you shouldn't challenge stupid plays and call stupid time outs.

[LABILLBACKER]

3 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

This summer is critical for McD, and he’s never hired a top end OC. Dennison and DaBoll had been mediocre historically at best, Dorsey an elite QB coach but next to no play calling experience. I think the rest of the staff is pretty good. 
 

He’s got an elite QB, he will have big time options if (when?) Dorsey is canned. 

Josh is obviously an elite qb but there's no way Dorsey was ever an elite qb coach. Josh made the mistake of requesting Dorsey to replace Daboll.  Daboll made Josh everything he is.  And Dorsey has unfortunately shown no identity or clever play calling on any level. Dorsey undoubtedly will be fired by Sean after the season. And he'll buy himself another year. We'll lose out on Ben Johnson and groundhog day will continue.....the wheels on the bus go round & round.....

[BuffaloBillyG]

2 minutes ago, JTown said:

You can coach players to be prepared for the next opponent. 

As a coach, you can game plan your offensive and defensive strategies. 

As a coach you can adjust your strategies  during the game.

As a coach you can manage the game as it changes.

As a coach you can utilize your players strengths and mask their weaknesses. 

As a coach you shouldn't challenge stupid plays and call stupid time outs.

All true as well. Point being no matter how good or bad coaching is it's never all on coaching or all on talent/execution. 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

15 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Josh is obviously an elite qb but there's no way Dorsey was ever an elite qb coach. Josh made the mistake of requesting Dorsey to replace Daboll.  Daboll made Josh everything he is.  And Dorsey has unfortunately shown no identity or clever play calling on any level. Dorsey undoubtedly will be fired by Sean after the season. And he'll buy himself another year. We'll lose out on Ben Johnson and groundhog day will continue.....the wheels on the bus go round & round.....

Dorsey is definitely an elite QB coach, 3  elite level seasons with Cam Newton then 2 elite level seasons with Allen before moving to OC. Allen didn’t hit that elite level until Dorsey came to town. Thats likely the whole reason why Allen wanted him as his OC. 
 

Cam also didn’t get to that elite level until Dorsey came, battled injuries though. Cam’s downfall happened the year after all their coaches were fired. 

Edited November 13, 2023 by TheyCallMeAndy

[Saxum]

It is the Madden curse.

[PBF81]

39 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

The team is winning. Since McD got here business is doing great.  He might think we are underachieving this year which we are.  You think GMs meltdown each year if they don’t win the SB like the fans do?  

 

No, but at the same time it's clear that McD's got a ceiling.  

 

We'll see when STs/PSLs go on sale.  It's foolish to think that the current situation isn't going to impact that.  

 

 

[nedboy7]

35 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I have an idea ned....why doesn't he hire better people...usually if you have to keep firing people you hired, that will eventually get you replaced by your superior....and obviously you must have checked out for the first quarter of the Cincy playoff game. It was 14-0 before Josh even touched the ball a second time.  

 

Well I think you have a good point in Josh requesting it. And I agree at this point it seems we need someone better. 

Just now, PBF81 said:

 

No, but at the same time it's clear that McD's got a ceiling.  

 

We'll see when STs/PSLs go on sale.  It's foolish to think that the current situation isn't going to impact that.  

 

 

 

I get what you are saying but is the current situation this bad for corporate sales?  You think they care as much as us?  Also, you think they are gonna be a dumpster team next year? 

[BobbyC81]

2 hours ago, stinky finger said:

Other teams losing does not negate the fact that our offense has a systemic problem. 

 

And I’m not confident they know how to correct.

Yeah, how many postgames have we seen with the “We have to do better” and “We’ll figure it out” when nothing much has changed.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

3 hours ago, stinky finger said:

Lots of good regular seasons for sure. 
 

But - “we’ve witnessed greatness”. Not sure about that. 

Hoodie just called, he wants his 2021 playoffs exit game back…you know, the one where Josh drove the Bills to a TD on every single drive of the game? 

[stinky finger]

1 hour ago, Scott7975 said:

We have thought. Perfect game against the pats. That game against KC was pretty amazing too. If not for 13 secs we’d be talking differently on how great that game was. Josh actually has a lot of impressive games under his belt and a ton more wow holy ***** can’t believe that happened throws. 

I agree with everything here.

 

The problem is, not once has it happened in a meaningful playoff scenario. 
 

That’s why I shy away from “witnessing greatness. 

10 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Hoodie just called, he wants his 2021 playoffs exit game back…you know, the one where Josh drove the Bills to a TD on every single drive of the game? 

Yep - great game. 
 

Remind me again, was this a AFCCG?

 

We define greatness differently. And that’s fine.