The democrat party: Abortions and pot.

[LDD]

On 11/8/2023 at 6:01 PM, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Good perspective, the door knocking part, but that's not the way the law in civilized society works.   There's all sorts of people telling all sorts of other people what to do.  Tax law. Gun ownership. DMV. Payroll tax.  Work comp insurance requirements.  Building permits.  Variances.  Environmental rules.  Parking laws.  

 

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That works for the pot thing, but it doesn't work for abortion.  All of your examples reference a tradeoff.  Wanna make money in a society protected by the largest most capable military the world has ever known? Pay taxes.  Wanna employ people and not have to pay for their injuries caused in your lucrative workplace in said society? Pay taxes and buy insurance.  Want to build in a civilized society? Get a permit/variance etc...You get the idea...want to do "THIS"...then do "THIS".  How does what happens in some woman's personal life fit into that narrative?  

Is your point...if you wanna live in this country, don't do what this shrinking segment of American moralists think you shouldn't do?  Doesn't fit for me.  

I can grow pot, smoke it AND go get my wife an abortion from a medical provider without any additional tradeoffs.  I pay for my medical insurance (tradeoff) and I own and pay taxes on my own property (tradeoff).  I already did the societal tradeoff part.  Quit f-ing with me already.  If you want to make it "safer" and "tax" it, well, that's how America makes money, I get it.  To tell me it's "illegal" because you "believe" it should be.............eh 

[Unforgiven]

11 minutes ago, LDD said:

That works for the pot thing, but it doesn't work for abortion.  All of your examples reference a tradeoff.  Wanna make money in a society protected by the largest most capable military the world has ever known? Pay taxes.  Wanna employ people and not have to pay for their injuries caused in your lucrative workplace in said society? Pay taxes and buy insurance.  Want to build in a civilized society? Get a permit/variance etc...You get the idea...want to do "THIS"...then do "THIS".  How does what happens in some woman's personal life fit into that narrative?  

Is your point...if you wanna live in this country, don't do what this shrinking segment of American moralists think you shouldn't do?  Doesn't fit for me.  

I can grow pot, smoke it AND go get my wife an abortion from a medical provider without any additional tradeoffs.  I pay for my medical insurance (tradeoff) and I own and pay taxes on my own property (tradeoff).  I already did the societal tradeoff part.  Quit f-ing with me already.  If you want to make it "safer" and "tax" it, well, that's how America makes money, I get it.  To tell me it's "illegal" because you "believe" it should be.............eh 

you high?

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

On 11/8/2023 at 9:14 PM, Governor said:

Pot heads are annoying but I’ll take that over a bunch of fat, middle aged men that dressed up as Warlocks and attacked the nation’s capital.

We cancel both out and call it a day? 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

On 11/8/2023 at 9:13 PM, ChiGoose said:

Has anyone on this site ever actually met a democrat?

 

This thread is like mainlining right wing talking points. 
 

If you want to know what democrats actually believe in, maybe consider asking democrats what they believe in. 

Oh yeah I know plenty… some hallmarks from several of them. 

 

yell about the environment and lecturing about climate change .. while driving a jeep and having a summer home and regular home.

 

complain about wealthy elite and corporate greed hurting the little guy while sending their kid to private school and working as a corporate hr attorney FOR large corporations and representing them against individuals in lawsuits. 
 

complain about trump tax cuts while simultaneously erecting as many tax shelters as possible 

 

gripe about lack of universal health care to help less fortunate while telling those with means how to lie to the doctor to get the best insurance benefit

 

these are just the smart ones. The dumb ones aren’t even hypocrites, just clueless morons. 

 

 

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

18 hours ago, LDD said:

That works for the pot thing, but it doesn't work for abortion.  All of your examples reference a tradeoff.  Wanna make money in a society protected by the largest most capable military the world has ever known? Pay taxes.  Wanna employ people and not have to pay for their injuries caused in your lucrative workplace in said society? Pay taxes and buy insurance.  Want to build in a civilized society? Get a permit/variance etc...You get the idea...want to do "THIS"...then do "THIS".  How does what happens in some woman's personal life fit into that narrative?  

Is your point...if you wanna live in this country, don't do what this shrinking segment of American moralists think you shouldn't do?  Doesn't fit for me.  

I can grow pot, smoke it AND go get my wife an abortion from a medical provider without any additional tradeoffs.  I pay for my medical insurance (tradeoff) and I own and pay taxes on my own property (tradeoff).  I already did the societal tradeoff part.  Quit f-ing with me already.  If you want to make it "safer" and "tax" it, well, that's how America makes money, I get it.  To tell me it's "illegal" because you "believe" it should be.............eh 

You’ve simply rationalized the way people tend to rationalize these things.  
 

Your suggestion that a “trade off” is involved implies there are only two options, and that abortion has no wider societal implications than that of personal choice.  A decision to extend health insurance coverage to cover abortion and contraceptive coverage is a cost to all stakeholders in the system, including a male who has no interest in having children or women’s health care, or the lady who choses not to have children, or perhaps cannot.   
 

You mentioned the military, and that’s fine though hotly debated as to size, scope and spending.  Government goes beyond that by a country mile, including things like pension costs, health care benefits to retirees and things like unfunded liabilities.  It occurs to me, often, as folks retire on a 30 years and out basis in NY, that the system doesn’t work if the retirement age for all was 55.  In other words, non-beneficiaries are encouraged or required to work until 67+ to help fund who retired 12 years earlier.  
 

I’m not against taxation, not against health care and cost, pensions and government employment, but the thought that politicians/people aren’t routinely and regularly knocking on my door to tell me how to live is preposterous.  
 

Thus, I share my thoughts through the ballot box on wide-ranging issues of all sorts.  
 

That’s America, ya pot toking hippie.  

[Governor]

On 11/10/2023 at 6:36 PM, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

We cancel both out and call it a day? 

I don’t have to compromise with you because I keep winning all of the elections. Nice try!

 

Typical Trumper. Gets his bell rung on election night then wants to come to the table for compromise. Lol

Edited November 12, 2023 by Governor

[Thurmal34]

what a weird thread. im a democrat now, left the GOP when they bowed to Trump, and im a pretty normal dude. most of us are. i own a home, i have two cars, my wife and i have jobs, and we are getting ready to send our oldest off to college next year. we have robust savings and investments and believe in hard work and the free market.

 

maybe leave your echo chamber?

[John from Riverside]

Freedom 

[Irv]

On 11/8/2023 at 5:56 PM, Tiberius said:

We all care about winning

 

and that seems to be going well 

This is true.  F the country and the world as long as we win.  What a mess.  

[Tiberius]

 

[John from Riverside]

2 hours ago, Irv said:

This is true.  F the country and the world as long as we win.  What a mess.  

You’re version country is losing

Everybody else is winning

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

 

I think it’s kind of in poor taste

Just my opinion

[SCBills]

On 11/8/2023 at 8:48 PM, Roundybout said:

The Republican Party, the one who runs on selling pure fear of the government to the stupid masses, also wants to impose more government restrictions? Weird. 

I don’t have a strong position of marijuana either way.   I generally think it’s not gone very well where it’s been legalized, but I also don’t think anyone should be going to jail for possession.  I also think it’s criminal how pharma worked with elected officials to keep away the health benefits of cannabis from those suffering from various diseases. 
 

Abortion can be looked at as regulation … if you simply view it as a transactional medical procedure where one person makes a decision that affects nobody else.   For those that view the baby inside them as a human life, it gets more tricky … even libertarians believe in having laws in place for murder - which is how you get many pro-life libertarians.   
 

 

Edited November 12, 2023 by SCBills

[Joe Ferguson forever]

On 11/8/2023 at 5:23 PM, Unforgiven said:

Is that all they stand for or are they just targeting idiots.

Discuss.

guns and bibles, interpreted in what ever way fits their agenda:  MAGAs.  I was once in a discussion at a party of my church members.  Some one asked me if I had a gun and a bible.  I answered "yes".  He said "You aren't a liberal"🤣

[Joe Ferguson forever]

22 minutes ago, SCBills said:

  I generally think it’s not gone very well where it’s been legalized, but I also don’t think anyone should be going to jail for possession.  I also think it’s criminal how pharma worked with elected officials to keep away the health benefits of cannabis from those suffering from various diseases. 

Bravo!!!  I think the entire med establishment has hidden the benefits.  Never taught about them in training.  Never used them in practice cuz until recently it was an iffy proposition.  Could have made tons more money tho.....hmmm, b pretty easy to get my expired license back.  That and a Viagra biz called "The Hard One".

 

Things are slowly changing.  My primary care doc asked me if I'd like a weed Rx for anxiety to take as needed.  Said no , my friend gives me great marijuana for free that he grows himself.

Edited November 12, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever

[Joe Ferguson forever]

On 11/10/2023 at 5:48 PM, LDD said:

That works for the pot thing, but it doesn't work for abortion.  All of your examples reference a tradeoff.  Wanna make money in a society protected by the largest most capable military the world has ever known? Pay taxes.  Wanna employ people and not have to pay for their injuries caused in your lucrative workplace in said society? Pay taxes and buy insurance.  Want to build in a civilized society? Get a permit/variance etc...You get the idea...want to do "THIS"...then do "THIS".  How does what happens in some woman's personal life fit into that narrative?  

Is your point...if you wanna live in this country, don't do what this shrinking segment of American moralists think you shouldn't do?  Doesn't fit for me.  

I can grow pot, smoke it AND go get my wife an abortion from a medical provider without any additional tradeoffs.  I pay for my medical insurance (tradeoff) and I own and pay taxes on my own property (tradeoff).  I already did the societal tradeoff part.  Quit f-ing with me already.  If you want to make it "safer" and "tax" it, well, that's how America makes money, I get it.  To tell me it's "illegal" because you "believe" it should be.............eh 

you should send this to NYT or similar as a letter to the editor.  Beautifully conveying well reasoned messages.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

10 hours ago, Governor said:

I don’t have to compromise with you because I keep winning all of the elections. Nice try!

 

Typical Trumper. Gets his bell rung on election night then wants to come to the table for compromise. Lol

Typical trumper … compromise?  you’re clearly not paying attention… too much pot and morning after pills 

[Doc]

2 hours ago, SCBills said:

I don’t have a strong position of marijuana either way.   I generally think it’s not gone very well where it’s been legalized, but I also don’t think anyone should be going to jail for possession.  I also think it’s criminal how pharma worked with elected officials to keep away the health benefits of cannabis from those suffering from various diseases. 
 

Abortion can be looked at as regulation … if you simply view it as a transactional medical procedure where one person makes a decision that affects nobody else.   For those that view the baby inside them as a human life, it gets more tricky … even libertarians believe in having laws in place for murder - which is how you get many pro-life libertarians.  

 

That's how everyone who wants to see restrictions on abortion sees it.  It has nothing to do with "hating women," but that plays politically, so...
 

[BillStime]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

That's how everyone who wants to see restrictions on abortion sees it.  It has nothing to do with "hating women," but that plays politically, so...

 

Who are you kidding? You don't genuinely care about life, children or women.

 

You simply care about what you are TOLD to care about.

 

 

 

[LDD]

On 11/11/2023 at 12:33 PM, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

...but the thought that politicians/people aren’t routinely and regularly knocking on my door to tell me how to live is preposterous.  
 

Thus, I share my thoughts through the ballot box on wide-ranging issues of all sorts.  
 

That’s America, ya pot toking hippie.  

I didn't say it didn't happen all the time and there's a complete expectation on my part that it does happen...for a tradeoff.  Usually I get something out of the deal.  In the case of pot and abortions I don't get anything but hassled.  I've never had an abortion or had to deal with that in my life but I fully understand it's not my business...AT ALL...and it certainly isn't the government's...although I do appreciate and understand your point about the insurance costs.  But, we all pay for people's decisions through insurance, that's kind of the idea of insurance.  

 

As far as the other...I haven't smoked pot in 20 years.  I have two different professional positions that put me in random drug testing pools and I won't take the chance.  That doesn't mean I believe that my tax money should be spent on the enforcement of a ban on a plant...really??  Processed hard drugs, that's a different conversation.  This place (this board) is funny.  I believe that the federal gov't should stay out of marijuana laws and everyone thinks I'm "high" or a "pot toking hippie"...I wish.