National media are starting to grind their collective axes

[Buffalo03]

5 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I have a question. There seemed to be an increase in national media down on the Buffalo Bills prior to the season starting. Why? I can’t remember the reasons but there was a lot of talk. Was it just the Jets and Dolphins being good? Was it the drama with Diggs?

 

 

 

I think a lot of it had to do with Rodgers and the Jets

[MJS]

It's the same ones that have been talking about it all year.

 

(Whoa, this was my 15,000th post. I need to get a life.)

Edited November 9, 2023 by MJS

[Simon]

26 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Agreed. Of all the national media, Simms and Florio are the best, in my opinion. They’re not the ESPN-type-blowhards. 

 

Are Simms and Florio the two guys in the video?

[Mister Defense]

12 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

The national media are a bunch of goofballs. These are the same media who are shocked reporters are asking BB about his job security and if he is coaching for his job on Sunday. 

 

Ridiculous response.  They have it right, and not enough around here are saying what they really believe, especially the media closely associated with the Bills. Clearly.

 

If they were this would be done by now and the offense, and this team, would have a chance to rebound.  They'd have hope again.

 

But if I were a Pats fan I would want Dorsey to stay too.  Should we sign him to a long term deal right now, so someone else doesn't nab him as a head coach in the off-season?  (There has to be a desperate middle school team out there somewhere...)

 

Edited November 9, 2023 by Mister Defense

[Einstein]

18 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

Are Simms and Florio the two guys in the video?

 

Yes sir.

[mannc]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

Agreed. Of all the national media, Simms and Florio are the best, in my opinion. They’re not the ESPN-type-blowhards. 

 

Love Florio’s comments pointing out that the Bills never push their chips in and go for it. They simply re-tool moderately every year and never go after elite guys to push us over the top. 

 

I get why they don’t. But I would be lying if I said I wouldn’t love them doing that.

I don't really get this.  Just because the Rams once upon a time mortgaged their future to win a super bowl doesn't mean it's the only, or even the preferred, way to do it.  Did the Chiefs ever "push their chips in and go for it"?   Did the Eagles?  The problem with the Bills isn't that they didn't "push their chips in"; it's that for four seasons they have failed to capitalize on having one of the three best quarterbacks in the league.  They didn't need to make any kind of huge, risky trade...all they needed to do was be competent and smart  

[chongli]

12 hours ago, Jrb1979 said:

As the video says it feels like they are happy with getting to the division round each season. 

 

 

If the choice is between making the playoffs for 15 years in a row but no winning the SB and winning the SB once but missing the playoffs the other 14 seasons, I'll take the former. Look at the Jets: they have won one SB years ago, and nothing else. Who is the better team: us with no SB's or the Jets with one?

 

BTW, I found the tweets below, all from idiots. Championships do not define a franchise, but consistent winning does. Miami and the Jets below are not consistent winners.

 

 

 

 

Edited November 9, 2023 by chongli

[BillMafia716ix]

Derrick Henry wouldn’t be effective in our offense because the scheme we run is dog *****. We can’t even Murray effectively. 

Edited November 9, 2023 by BillMafia716ix

[Einstein]

39 minutes ago, mannc said:

I don't really get this.  Just because the Rams once upon a time mortgaged their future to win a super bowl doesn't mean it's the only, or even the preferred, way to do it.  Did the Chiefs ever "push their chips in and go for it"?   Did the Eagles?  The problem with the Bills isn't that they didn't "push their chips in"; it's that for four seasons they have failed to capitalize on having one of the three best quarterbacks in the league.  They didn't need to make any kind of huge, risky trade...all they needed to do was be competent and smart  

 

Sorry for the confusion, but I didn’t mean the Rams method, where they traded all their draft picks and mortgaged their future.

 

I mean strategic moves for proven players.

 

For example, rather than waiting until the off-season to sign Von Miller, make the deal to trade for Von Miller during the season, like it was rumored. I truly believe if we had Von Miller in 13 Seconds, we win. He would have been the difference in getting that 1 extra stop somewhere during the game, in my opinion.

 

Or trading for Roquan Smith last offseason, when we knew Edmunds would be hard to keep, and rumors were that we were interested. He is balling in playing like a top 10 LB in Baltimore now. Imagine a defense with Milano, Roquan and and Bernard? *Chills*. His contract at the time was very doable, though he has since gotten a big deal that we couldn’t afford.

 

Or even as simple as signing Hopkins. It would be great to have a sure handed receiver that can high-point the ball, and at least thus far he hasn’t been a basket case in Tennessee. There was also the CMC trade that has boosted SF’s offense.

 

It just seems like we are always talking to teams about proven players but it never comes to fruition. And I can fully respect why Beane doesn’t want to. He wants to be a good steward of his draft picks and the cap. 

 

But I would love to have made 1 or 2 of these moves.

 

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Edited November 9, 2023 by Einstein

[mannc]

4 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Sorry for the confusion, but I didn’t mean the Rams method, where they traded all their draft picks and mortgaged their future.

 

I mean strategic moves for proven players.

 

For example, rather than waiting until the off-season to sign Von Miller, make the deal to trade for Von Miller during the season, like it was rumored. I truly believe if we had Von Miller in 13 Seconds, we win. He would have been the difference in getting that 1 extra stop somewhere during the game, in my opinion.

 

Or trading for Roquan Smith last offseason, when we knew Edmunds would be hard to keep, and rumors were that we were interested. He is balling in playing like a top 10 LB in Baltimore now. Imagine a defense with Milano, Roquan and and Bernard? *Chills*. His contract at the time was very doable, though he has since gotten a big deal that we couldn’t afford.

 

Or even as simple as signing Hopkins. It would be great to have a sure handed receiver that can high-point the ball. There was also the CMC trade that has boosted SF’s offense.

 

It just seems like we are always talking to teams about proven players but it never comes to fruition. And I can fully respect why Beane doesn’t want to. He wants to be a good steward of his draft picks and the cap. 

 

But I would love to have made 1 or 2 of these moves.

 

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Ok, that makes more sense.  I wasn't in favor of signing Hopkins, for various reasons, but he seems to have plenty left in the tank...it would be nice to have him.  I actually like our mid-season deals this year... 

[Einstein]

3 minutes ago, mannc said:

Ok, that makes more sense.  I wasn't in favor of signing Hopkins, for various reasons, but he seems to have plenty left in the tank...it would be nice to have him.  I actually like our mid-season deals this year... 

 

I do too.

[PromoTheRobot]

13 hours ago, PBF81 said:

 

What we all wish for is a Super Bowl win.  We're not getting it like this.  

 

It's incredibly difficult to believe that many coaches couldn't be doing this, what we have now, with those roster.

 

Fear should never be what holds attempts to improve or correct back.  

 

What I personally "wish for" or would like to see, is Allen play as well as Allen can.  To date he's not done that.  McD was simply the wrong choice to get that out of him 

 

Granted, McD was hired before we drafted Allen, but that doesn't change the current circumstances. 

 

And at this point, hire a decent coach with a knowledge of offense.  If he doesn't get at least as much in two seasons from the offense, shitcan him and get another.  

 

Allen isn't a long-term project at this point.  

 

 

 

13 hours ago, Jrb1979 said:

That also goes for being satisfied making the playoffs each season. They mentioned in the video some teams are happy with being in contention year in year out. Where as the Rams went all in the one year to win but are paying for it now. I said before the season after the 13 second game was the season to go all in. Trade picks and pick up guys like Henry and Hopkins. 

 

 

 

I'm sure no one would mind a couple year playoff drought, that's if making the playoffs is so unbearable.

[PBF81]

1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said:

I'm sure no one would mind a couple year playoff drought, that's if making the playoffs is so unbearable.

 

If the choice were making the playoffs for 12 years straight, never advancing past the divisional round, and winning the division every one of those years, ... 

 

... or ... 

 

Winning a Super Bowl, not making the playoffs for five more seasons, and making them sporadically after that also never advancing past the divisional round, ... 

 

... I'd wager a guess that if you posted that poll, the vast majority would take the Lombardi and be content.  

 

Especially those of us that went through the '90s and the Kelly/Smith era.  

 

I don't hear anyone bragging that we went to four straight Super Bowls.  In fact, it's become a consolationi prize punchline anytime it comes up and people realize that we're Bills fans.  

 

Just sayin' 

 

 

We can't even improve from our best season in '21.  

 

 

[Success]

I enjoy watching most of the national media, but I know what I'm getting.

 

Hot takes and narratives that have a shelf life of a week or so.

 

[PromoTheRobot]

34 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

If the choice were making the playoffs for 12 years straight, never advancing past the divisional round, and winning the division every one of those years, ... 

 

... or ... 

 

Winning a Super Bowl, not making the playoffs for five more seasons, and making them sporadically after that also never advancing past the divisional round, ... 

 

... I'd wager a guess that if you posted that poll, the vast majority would take the Lombardi and be content.  

 

Especially those of us that went through the '90s and the Kelly/Smith era.  

 

I don't hear anyone bragging that we went to four straight Super Bowls.  In fact, it's become a consolationi prize punchline anytime it comes up and people realize that we're Bills fans.  

 

Just sayin' 

 

 

We can't even improve from our best season in '21.  

 

 

 

LOL, no. You don't make deals with karma.

[Dr.Sack]

McDermott in a down year may get this beat up Bills team to the playoffs with street players on defense. There’s no way McDermott should be forced out as coach.  McDermott is 5-4 with a bottom ranked defense, a 2nd year OC, and a QB who leads the league in turnovers since entering. McDermott is a cool cat. We should appreciate what he has done for the franchise instead of dumping on him.

[Jrb1979]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

 

I'm sure no one would mind a couple year playoff drought, that's if making the playoffs is so unbearable.

It's not that making the playoffs is unbearable. My point is I agree with going to route the Rams did. Go all in by trading a bunch of picks to get elite playmakers on both sides of the ball. Yeah it's going to hurt a few years after but if it gets you a championship it's well worth it. 

[90sBills]

10 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I have a question. There seemed to be an increase in national media down on the Buffalo Bills prior to the season starting. Why? I can’t remember the reasons but there was a lot of talk. Was it just the Jets and Dolphins being good? Was it the drama with Diggs?

 

 

 

Got embarrassed by Cincy in the playoffs. And up to this point in the season the media’s preseason pessimism has been justified. 

[BananaB]

6 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

Got embarrassed by Cincy in the playoffs. And up to this point in the season the media’s preseason pessimism has been justified. 

They get embarrassed by Cinci every time they step on the field with them. 3 games, 5 first quarter scoring drives that chewed up clock. Looked like it would have been 6 if the Damar incident never happened. ***** hard to watch, you think McD would have a better answer then just  trying to slow down his own offense. 

[mannc]

38 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

It's not that making the playoffs is unbearable. My point is I agree with going to route the Rams did. Go all in by trading a bunch of picks to get elite playmakers on both sides of the ball. Yeah it's going to hurt a few years after but if it gets you a championship it's well worth it. 

The Rams didn’t have a quarterback…they had limited options…teams with bona fide, top three franchise quarterbacks shouldn’t have to mortgage their future like that to make a Super Bowl run…they’ve already hit the lottery.