So if GWB is SOOOO dumb as

[EC-Bills]

I put that picture of Kerry as my avatar. I see my old one (Phil Spector)  Do you see the Kerry picture?

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Yup, it's there. Sometime it takes a bit to update avatars. First thought it was a personal photo...

[blzrul]

Grades aren't the sole measure of intelligence. I was so bored in high school that I cut classes for weeks and graduated with a 70 average...and a National Merit Scholarship.

 

There are plenty of people with average intellect who can go far with a lot of hard work. There are plenty of genuises that go nowhere.

[erynthered]

Grades aren't the sole measure of intelligence.  I was so bored in high school that I cut classes for weeks and graduated with a 70 average...and a National Merit Scholarship. 

 

There are plenty of people with average intellect who can go far with a lot of hard work.  There are plenty of genuises that go nowhere.

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Damn, Deb. That was profound. Though I think there was a bit of........

 

 

 

Nevermind

[Simon]

The Dems continue to feed the nation effete elite

 

Ummmm, Georgie is an effete elite as well. If you want to continue to pretend that the Repubes and the Democraps are significantly different, you'll have to find a better example.

 

Or do you think lil' Georgie is a real Texan man's man?

[beausox]

Ummmm, Georgie is an effete elite as well. If you want to continue to pretend that the Repubes and the Democraps are significantly different, you'll have to find a better example.

 

Or do you think lil' Georgie is a real Texan man's man?

         

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In politics only perception counts. whether candidates R's or D's are effete,elite , neither or both matters not. Doesnt it strain intuition that the party of big business fields cancidates of the sod and the party of the working class keeps front loading Cambridge-Berkley types?

The starkest contrast was Laura v Teresa. Nuf said McGreevey?

[Crap Throwing Monkey]

Ummmm, Georgie is an effete elite as well. If you want to continue to pretend that the Repubes and the Democraps are significantly different, you'll have to find a better example.

 

Or do you think lil' Georgie is a real Texan man's man?

         

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At the very least, he gets points for clearing the brush off his ranch himself. I can't picture Kerry having any definition of yard work any more strenuous than paying the immigrant laborers...

 

Let's face facts, the last American politician who wasn't an pampered, effete pansy was probably Teddy Roosevelt. How many other presidents went on months-long African safari?

[Simon]

At the very least, he gets points for clearing the brush off his ranch himself.

 

That piece of film of him "clearing brush" was uproarious.

Watching him struggle to wield that little 16" bar which he was obviously terrified of had me in near hysterics. I thought it had the exact same effect as Dukakis posing as whack-a-mole in rolling armor.

 

As for Teddy, I have a hard time appointing manly status to anybody who advocated the slaughter of women and children because they were subhuman Indians.

I think FranklinD showed a lot more grit than Ted E. Bear.

 

 

the party of big business fields cancidates of the sod

omg, please tell me you're not referring to that ineffectual spoiled rotten little weenie as a "candidate of the sod".

In politics only perception counts.

You're free to keep voting for the swellest tie; I prefer to focus a little more on substance.

But while the refs have the game fixed and the players are stealing from the fans, you just keep right on cheering Muffy.

 

Rah!

Rah!

Rah!

!Go team Go!

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

As for Teddy, I have a hard time appointing manly status to anybody who advocated the slaughter of women and children because they were subhuman Indians.

I think FranklinD showed a lot more grit than Ted E. Bear.

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This HAS to be a joke. Franklin Delano Roosevelt as a man's man?

 

The guys smoked cigarettes from an effing cigarette holder. He was a fruitcake of the highest order, whilst TR killed large game.

[Simon]

This HAS to be a joke. Franklin Delano Roosevelt as a man's man?

The guys smoked cigarettes from an effing cigarette holder. He was a fruitcake of the highest order, whilst TR killed large game.

 

Sorry, but shooting dumb animals at great distanec with an expensive rifle while footpads prepare your meals and carry your equipment doesn't make you a man. Talk to me when you find some evidence of him killing a lion with a spear.

As for FDR, I couldn't care less about perceptions or images. The man could barely walk and lived in excruciating pain every day, yet he kept coming back for more because he understood that everybody would benefit from continuity in the office of the US president during one of the most difficult periods in human history. He fought an isolationist congress and populace to save England, he fought the Army and Navy to use unheard of resources to create devastating US air power, he made incredibly difficult decisions re: the ultimate destruction of the Japanese empire and he did it every damned day while his body was failing until it eventually killed him.

Tough talk and bold swagger aren't what make a man a man; it's perseverance, the courage of convictions, wisdom and an indominatable spirit, all of which FDR had in spades.

Cya

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Sorry, but shooting dumb animals at great distanec with an expensive rifle while footpads prepare your meals and carry your equipment doesn't make you a man. Talk to me when you find some evidence of him killing a lion with a spear.

As for FDR, I couldn't care less about perceptions or images. The man could barely walk and lived in excruciating pain every day, yet he kept coming back for more because he understood that everybody would benefit from continuity in the office of the US president during one of the most difficult periods in human history. He fought an isolationist congress and populace to save England, he fought the Army and Navy to use unheard of resources to create devastating US air power, he made incredibly difficult decisions re: the ultimate destruction of the Japanese empire and he did it every damned day while his body was failing until it eventually killed him.

Tough talk and bold swagger aren't what make a man a man; it's perseverance, the courage of convictions, wisdom and an indominatable spirit, all of which FDR had in spades.

Cya

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And TR didn't? He took on the megalithic corporations of his day and shattered their trust monopolies and hegemony over the american business community. He created the national park system in the face of intense pressure from entrenched interests. He willed the creation of the Panama Canal when so many others had failed.

 

Meanwhile, FDR was a CRAVEN power-seeker. He didn't care about the American people having "continuity." All he cared about was re-election and the maintenance of his power. It was his policies against Japan that brought about war in the Pacific.

He alone brought us the ruin that is Social Security. He maliciously consolidated the might of the Federal government, giving us the behemoth we have today that has crushed the independent American spirit. I firmly believe he was a socialist at heart, and FAR from an American hero.

 

I'm not a big FDR fan. Not at all.

[Crap Throwing Monkey]

Sorry, but shooting dumb animals at great distanec with an expensive rifle while footpads prepare your meals and carry your equipment doesn't make you a man.

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You ever tried walking for three months across the African wilderness? That alone is no walk in the park, even without firing several thousand rounds out of an express rifle at dangerous game.

 

And I guess his calvary charge - sans horse - into Spanish rifle fire was a wussy thing to do, too...

[Simon]

It was his policies against Japan that brought about war in the Pacific.

Yeah it had nothing to do with a fanatical emperor and his right-hand men who insisted that an entire generation of Japanese children in a tightly closed society be taught that he was a god and that they were all warriors who's greatest honor would be to die for him.

I simply don't know enough about the rest to debate it.

 

I'm not a big FDR fan. Not at all.

And I'm not a big Teddy fan. So there we are.....

 

 

You ever tried walking for three months across the African wilderness? That alone is no walk in the park, even without firing several thousand rounds out of an express rifle at dangerous game.

I'm still not buying it. I see nothing manly about having to surround yourself with heavily-armed and well-equipped aids just to spend a few months in a place that is the lifelong home to many women and children. It strikes me as more of a vacation than some manly endeavour.

 

As for the reference to SanJuan, I may be a fool but I'm not fool enough to argue against that. Although I will say that from what I understand, most of the historical record is taken from Roosevelt's own writings, in which he emphasized his own exploits while minimizing the contributions of others. And I've never heard anything about him being unmounted when he arrived near the end of the fight for SanJaun.

 

To clarify, I wasn't trying to paint Teddy as a wuss; just trying to give some credit to FDR who gets short shrift because he didn't look like the Brawny paper towel guy.

 

Cya

[Crap Throwing Monkey]

I'm still not buying it. I see nothing manly about having to surround yourself with heavily equipped aids to spend a few months in a place that is the lifelong home to many women and children. It strikes me as more of a vacation.

 

As for the reference to SanJuan, I may be a fool but I'm not fool enough to argue against that. Although from what I understand, most of the historical record is taken from Roosevelt's own writings, in which he emphasized his own exploits while minimizing the contributions of others. And I've never heard anything about him being unmounted when he arrived near the end of the fight for SanJaun.

 

To clarify, I wasn't trying to paint Teddy as a wuss; just trying to give some credit to FDR who gets short shrift because he didn't look like the Brawny paper towel guy.

 

Cya

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Then try it, see what you think. There IS a difference between living in an established village Africa and walking hundreds of miles on foot in the pursuit of deadly game.

 

As for San Juan...I won't dispute TR was a shameless self-promoter, what politician isn't? But yes, the charge up San Juan hill was unmounted (the entire charge, the famous painting notwithstanding); the invasion of Cuba was so poorly organized, it seems the calvary shipped without horses.

 

And lest I forget, there's also that little incident where TR was campaigning (for his third term as president, I believe), and was shot in the chest just before a speech. He walked on stage, gave the speech (the text of which, being carried in his breast pocket, was shot through and blood-soaked), walked off, then when he was done collapsed and was rushed to the hospital. TR was one tough SOB.

 

As for FDR...toughness of spirit, sure. Anyone with goals such as his who still sees them through after being crippled by an adult bout with polio isn't exactly a shrinking violet. But even before he was confined to a wheelchair, he was more the irresponsible and effete playboy than anything else. If anything, polio toughened him.

[Simon]

Then try it, see what you think. There IS a difference between living in an established village Africa and walking hundreds of miles on foot in the pursuit of deadly game.

I'd love to try it but I'm not wealthy enough to afford the massive support system Roosevelt required. I've hiked solo over 20miles in a day before without trouble so a couple hundred miles over a few months would be child's play particularly when somebody is carying all my gear, cooking for me and occasionally even providing transport. As for "dangerous/deadly game", I hardly consider him to have been in any real danger when he was surrounded by armed guides who were being paid to protect him.

I did like the one about the shooting on the campaign trail, though. He gets a manly nod for that and the SanJuan charge, but the escorted safari is nothing more than an expensive vacation.

Cya