Israel and Ukraine: Why Support Funding One But Not the Other?

[Tiberius]

Just now, All_Pro_Bills said:

What exactly would we be surrendering other than an open-ended infinite funding commitment with absolutely no conditions tied to aid for a war that cannot be won?  And I'm being generous as the Administration has never even taken the time to define and communicate to the public exactly what "winning" looks like from an American perspective.  

 

 

 

 

 

   

Surrendering land taken from Ukraine, The free world would be losing to the authoritarian world. No thanks 

[Tommy Callahan]

OK, so let me get this straight. 

 

The left now wants to stop all military funding for both Israel and Ukraine?

 

Or one is kosher, and the other one is a slaughter of humans?

 

Cause this guy would support that.

 

Im old school, No warring without a declaration of war through both houses and the executive. 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 8, 2023 by Tommy Callahan

[Tommy Callahan]

3 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

The free world would be losing to the authoritarian

No elections, little representation, Anti LGBT, Anti Homosexuality, limits on abortion, martial law that was declared a decade ago, ended any attempt at free speech. 

 

 tell me again where this free world is we are defending?

 

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

21 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Surrendering land taken from Ukraine, The free world would be losing to the authoritarian world. No thanks 

You can't win expect to win every battle in the war as there are times when the cost of victory exceeds the benefit.  This is one of those times.

 

As the problem is on their own, it's unlikely that Ukraine's military will not be able to achieve that objective no matter how much funding or how many weapons we provide.  Somebody is going to have to commit ground forces to combat operations in order for that to happen.  Who is willing to do that in order to achieve that objective?  Nobody at the moment. 

[Tiberius]

Just now, All_Pro_Bills said:

You can't win expect to win every battle in the war as there are times when the cost of victory exceeds the benefit.  This is one of those times.

 

 

In your opinion

1 minute ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

 

 

As the problem is on their own, it's unlikely that Ukraine's military will not be able to achieve that objective no matter how much funding or how many weapons we provide.  Somebody is going to have to commit ground forces to combat operations in order for that to happen.  Who is willing to do that in order to achieve that objective?  Nobody at the moment. 

They are making progress. Russia's fleet had o flee Crimea. Russia is being drained of mlitary resources, hopefully (see I don't talk in certainties I can't prove) they run out of material faster than we resupply Ukraine  

[All_Pro_Bills]

Just now, Tiberius said:

In your opinion

So far the reality on the ground supports that view.  Many saw this outcome before the conflict began.  Unfortunately, and as usual, few to none of those voices of reason were involved in the decision making process.  That was left to the usual cast of characters from both major political parties responsible for the majority of US foreign policy failures of the 21st century.  

[Tiberius]

5 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

So far the reality on the ground supports that view.  Many saw this outcome before the conflict began.  Unfortunately, and as usual, few to none of those voices of reason were involved in the decision making process.  That was left to the usual cast of characters from both major political parties responsible for the majority of US foreign policy failures of the 21st century.  

No, many said Ukraine didn't even have a chance to defend itself and look where we are. 

 

Lol, voices of reason indeed! Good one 

[Tommy Callahan]

14 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

In your opinion

They are making progress. Russia's fleet had o flee Crimea. Russia is being drained of mlitary resources, hopefully (see I don't talk in certainties I can't prove) they run out of material faster than we resupply Ukraine  

The view of most of the world.  

 

Material like weapons, or are humans also part of that formula?

 

you grasp Western Military suppliers make bank from supplying.

 

In Russia their military companies are doing very well, right now because of the same narrative.  

 

And here is the big picture.  If they dont come to some kind of border and cease fire, there is a very good chance Ukraine won't be left with a functional port for the black sea. that would be crippling for them.