Cover 1 breakdown of the Dorsey offense

[Scott7975]

IMO (still) Dorsey is the problem

 

Edit: sorry @HappyDays I just noticed you posted this in the Dorsey thread.  I didn't see it because sometimes when I click a thread it skips a page or two that I haven't read yet.  Mods can delete if they want.

 

 

Edited November 7, 2023 by Scott7975

[boyst]

is it Dorsey or is it McDermott?

 

It's weird we hear so little out of this organization and the media refuses to critique the team. However, sometimes in what they don't say we find something. In this case it is the idea that McDermott has had input to strategically limit our plays.

[TheBrownBear]

22 minutes ago, boyst said:

is it Dorsey or is it McDermott?

 

It's weird we hear so little out of this organization and the media refuses to critique the team. However, sometimes in what they don't say we find something. In this case it is the idea that McDermott has had input to strategically limit our plays.

I don't buy the McDermott excuse.  It's Dorsey's scheme and playcalling.  Dorsey sucks and should have never been given the job.

[Bruffalo]

25 minutes ago, boyst said:

is it Dorsey or is it McDermott?

 

It's weird we hear so little out of this organization and the media refuses to critique the team. However, sometimes in what they don't say we find something. In this case it is the idea that McDermott has had input to strategically limit our plays.

I don't know but it's much more realistic to move on from Dorsey. If you see the same problems then you know it's likely McD.  Seems straightforward to me, but I'm oversimplifying it.  

[BuffaloBill]

To me this analysis shows the Bills have changed to a system offense that is predictable and too easy for defenses to read.

 

They have become productive in gaining yards but stale.

 

I am becoming a believer in the idea that Dorsey is they wrong coach.

[boyst]

3 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:

I don't know but it's much more realistic to move on from Dorsey. If you see the same problems then you know it's likely McD.  Seems straightforward to me, but I'm oversimplifying it.  

The same problems repeated over and over again are an issue for McD. If Dorsey refuses or is unable to do anything McDermott is responsible. Unfortunately he is in over his head on defense. 

[GoBills808]

5 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:

I don't know but it's much more realistic to move on from Dorsey. If you see the same problems then you know it's likely McD.  Seems straightforward to me, but I'm oversimplifying it.  

How many different OCs w similar issues do we need to see

[Success]

They took a huge risk not bringing an experienced OC on to a team that was already a contender.

 

It's just not working out. When I watch our O, the word that comes to mind is "vanilla."  Other offenses have much more creativity and unpredictability.

 

[Bruffalo]

3 minutes ago, boyst said:

The same problems repeated over and over again are an issue for McD. If Dorsey refuses or is unable to do anything McDermott is responsible. Unfortunately he is in over his head on defense. 

I agree with you, but McD isn't getting the boot this season or likely next season either.  Like it or not, but he has a long lease inside the org.  

 

Move on from Dorsey and put Shula in the OC spot.  I don't see how it can be worse than Dorsey. 

 

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

How many different OCs w similar issues do we need to see

 

At least 1.  I think the McD's gotta go crowd has a point, I just don't see it happening. 

Edited November 7, 2023 by Bruffalo

[GoBills808]

7 minutes ago, Success said:

They took a huge risk not bringing an experienced OC on to a team that was already a contender.

 

It's just not working out. When I watch our O, the word that comes to mind is "vanilla."  Other offenses have much more creativity and unpredictability.

 

Our offense is definitely not vanilla, at least not in pass concepts

 

Both Dorsey and Daboll built top offenses here, and both have struggled w inconsistencies that imo stem primarily from a poor offensive line and lack of skill guys.

 

How much of those issues were a result of having a defensive guy at HC are up for debate I suppose

[Roundybout]

13 minutes ago, boyst said:

The same problems repeated over and over again are an issue for McD. If Dorsey refuses or is unable to do anything McDermott is responsible. Unfortunately he is in over his head on defense. 

Yeah it can’t be the massive injuries to multiple superstars or anything huh

[Buffalo_Stampede]

The one thing I have noticed just using the eye test is it seems like Allen is only using half the field most of the time. High low reads or low high reads to half the field. Very rookie QB stuff. This video supports that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Coach Tuesday]

Dorsey calls individual plays but doesn’t set up a coherent strategy every week, unique to attacking the opponent.  Allen has largely just accepted the coaches’ mandates to execute the plays that are called post-snap.  McD delegates the offense to Dorsey except the occasional directives to run the ball more.  Beane wildly overestimates the ability of his offensive personnel.  Pegula just stays out of it which is probably for the best but there is no one setting a high standard of accountability within the organization.  It’s all kind of depressing.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

What’s funny is analytics told us not to draft Josh Allen. Now analytics is telling us not to fire Ken Dorsey.

1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Dorsey calls individual plays but doesn’t set up a coherent strategy every week, unique to attacking the opponent.  Allen has largely just accepted the coaches’ mandates to execute the plays that are called post-snap.  McD delegates the offense to Dorsey except the occasional directives to run the ball more.  Beane wildly overestimates the ability of his offensive personnel.  Pegula just stays out of it which is probably for the best but there is no one setting a high standard of accountability within the organization.  It’s all kind of depressing.

The comment by Allen that he runs the plays that are called was the beginning of the end for Ken Dorsey. First time I ever heard Josh Allen deflect blame.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Another dynamic WR cuts through all of this cloud of what is really happening behind the scenes at OBD. 

 

Allen would throw to that player if he was available. 

 

4 of the 5 WRs we have can't separate down the field, so Allen is chained to them operating as underneath options, or banking on Davis to get by on blown coverages. 

 

9 games in and it's still Kincaid on dumpoffs and outlets, the volume has just increased. 

 

So ... not many levers to pull with 8 games left to try and get another playmaking element from the group of players we have. 

 

Dumping off to Fournette is not a real plan. Envisioning Harty suddenly getting 6 balls a game is hard to imagine. This team LOVES Gabe Davis, as long as he remains untouchable then ...

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Another dynamic WR cuts through all of this cloud of what is really happening behind the scenes at OBD. 

 

Allen would throw to that player if he was available. 

 

4 of the 5 WRs we have can't separate down the field, so Allen is chained to them operating as underneath options, or banking on Davis to get by on blown coverages. 

 

9 games in and it's still Kincaid on dumpoffs and outlets, the volume has just increased. 

 

So ... not many levers to pull with 8 games left to try and get another playmaking element from the group of players we have. 

 

Dumping off to Fournette is not a real plan. Envisioning Harty suddenly getting 6 balls a game is hard to imagine. This team LOVES Gabe Davis, as long as he remains untouchable then ...

If I were a DC facing the Bills offense I wouldn’t be afraid of anyone, including Diggs. The reason I say Diggs is because I would just have a safety over top of him all game. There’s nothing else to worry about.

 

Thats why hopefully the Kincaid connection grows. Kincaid could literally have 10 catches every game. And he should until they stop it. 

[NoSaint]

32 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:

I agree with you, but McD isn't getting the boot this season or likely next season either.  Like it or not, but he has a long lease inside the org.  

 

Move on from Dorsey and put Shula in the OC spot.  I don't see how it can be worse than Dorsey. 

 

 

At least 1.  I think the McD's gotta go crowd has a point, I just don't see it happening. 

they all are long leashes until they are not. Especially if the coach has not given the owner a ring to make it permanent 

[Dubie54]

Cook out of the backfield is open a ton of times. They should run more designed plays for him but they need to scheme it out by having Josh pump fake, freeze the LBs, and then drop it to Cook.

 

Also that long pass play to Harty could have worked if Josh had thrown more to the center of the field and let Harty chase it to that side. The corner was on the outside of Harty and would have had a hard time disrupting the play as there was no safety support in the middle.

 

It's easy to say he should have done this or that. The Bills have the talent but they are just not drawing up plays that creatively fool the defenses and Josh is missing a lot of open guys by locking into his first option.

 

 

[Alphadawg7]

People who already didn't like McD just want to assign the offensive blame to him to pile on their case against him.  But the reality is, offensively, Dorsey is the substantial problem.  But if McD and Beane don't find the balls to fire Dorsey then Dosey is probably going to take at least one of them down with him at a later date.  

 

FIRE DORSEY already!  The offense has been searching for an identity for a year and a half, its pathetic Dorsey still can't establish one.  

[Dubie54]

6 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Another dynamic WR cuts through all of this cloud of what is really happening behind the scenes at OBD. 

 

Allen would throw to that player if he was available. 

 

4 of the 5 WRs we have can't separate down the field, so Allen is chained to them operating as underneath options, or banking on Davis to get by on blown coverages. 

 

9 games in and it's still Kincaid on dumpoffs and outlets, the volume has just increased. 

 

So ... not many levers to pull with 8 games left to try and get another playmaking element from the group of players we have. 

 

Dumping off to Fournette is not a real plan. Envisioning Harty suddenly getting 6 balls a game is hard to imagine. This team LOVES Gabe Davis, as long as he remains untouchable then ...

Separation is also based on scheming and route design.