I’m scared to fire McDermott.

[SoonerBillsFan]

17 minutes ago, Riverboat Ritchie said:

How much guaranteed money did McD get with the extension? Would he really be opposed to getting canned.  Seems like a solid dude, changed the culture but isn’t going to take us close to a Lombardi.  If we miss playoffs and he’s still coaching, Josh will forever be Phillips Rivers 2. Unfortunately I see that happening and that is what makes this season especially depressing at this moment. I still hate the fact he authorized the hanging of the Lombardi in field house.  #stefisright. Go Bills 

I think that is what we see on Josh's face on the bench. He is handcuffed to McDermott and it has to bum him out.

[Saint Doug]

22 minutes ago, MPL said:

This article is from 2017 but the data holds up today. The Bills need to strongly consider moving forward with Allen or McDermott, but not both. 

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-coaches-and-qbs-should-divorce-after-five-years-of-not-winning/

Excellent article and couldn’t agree more. I suppose some, and maybe Pegs himself, will say look at Cowher, but he’s the proof that something needs to be changed. Cowher had Neil O’Donnell, Tommy Maddox, and Slash Steward as QBs. He made the playoffs almost each year, but then would always lose in the playoffs. He was handicapped big time by lack of a decent QB. It wasn’t until drafting Big Ben did he promptly win a Super Bowl.

 

McD has arguably one of the best QBs in the game and still can’t get it done. Just imagine what Marvin Lewis or Cowher would’ve done with Allen. 

[Mark80]

1 hour ago, McBean said:

“lOoK AT ouR pREVioUs cOaChes mAN. NOt woRTH THe RiSk.”

I stop reading any post after I see someone type in this format.  Stupidest crap I have ever seen and tells me a lot about a posters intellect.

[May Day 10]

1 hour ago, McBean said:

Ugly in Locker room?

 

look at Diggs and what happened this off season. Direct correlation to my post. Diggs knows.

 

Yes, but that was contained and snuffed out for the most part.

 

It would take a less vague social media post or comment, and public comment(s) from players and coaches to touch off a mess that can't be stifled.

 

The rumblings of daboll, some comments from beasley, and wawrow's vagueposting, along with diggs' issues shows there are fissures below the surface.  Drop one or both of Denver and Beasley, and things could certainly get out of hand

 

 

[BillsFan692]

2 hours ago, Nuncha said:

McClap needs to move past lack of rhythm, poor "complimentary" football and lack of execution as excuses for why this team is struggling.  Get to the ROOT of the problem by looking in the mirror.  

 

He is a defensive minded coach but needs a coordinator on defense and a STRONG one on offense.  Until that happens this team will continue to struggle.

Whats point of hiring a strong oc who will be picked up by another team in 2 years?

 

Have to fire coach. Need the next offensive guy to be our HC.

10 minutes ago, Mark80 said:

I stop reading any post after I see someone type in this format.  Stupidest crap I have ever seen and tells me a lot about a posters intellect.

Okay Boomer. Just tell us you dont understand internet memes no need for personal insults.

Edited November 7, 2023 by BillsFan692

[TDO'Kearney]

1 hour ago, McBean said:

Bingo

I don't know.  If a Buffalo coach managed the end of a half the way Daboll did for the Giants against the Bills, the fans would be wheeling a guillotine down Abbott Rd.

[Bills!Win!]

Sean McDermott is the modern day Tom Coughlin. Everyone hated him until he won a superbowl 

[Roundybout]

As I said, if we fire McD after a single down season, with massive injuries and a horrible OC, then I hope to god he wins multiple super bowls without us. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

7 minutes ago, Bills!Win! said:

Sean McDermott is the modern day Tom Coughlin. Everyone hated him until he won a superbowl 

I still hate him! 🤨

[Roundybout]

2 hours ago, McBean said:

Ok, how can I do that?

 

thabks 

More than strong. The guy has ruined my joy of Bills football. 

 

Boy, if three straight division titles and 71 wins ruins your joy you must have been downright suicidal during the Dick Jauron era 

[Chaos]

The past is the past. This includes McDermotts past successes  and failures. The only proper question is who is the best person to maximize the chance for the Bills to a championship in the future.  Maybe McDermott is the answer to that question.  
 

I did not know who Nick Siriani was before the eagles hired him. I did not know Sean Mcvay as a possibility.  I am sure I don’t know all of the available options at this time.  But if the Bills falter again this year, I feel as though the team should consider options and only retain McDermott if they believe he is the best option.  

[TheFunPolice]

2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

This.

 

The whole franchised is screwed because we have a Defensive HC who has to hire strong OCs in order to succeed.

 

And any half-decent OC will immediately get plucked for a HC job, and we're right back to where we started.

 

In today's NFL, you find your OC, make them HC, and then fill in your DC with whoever.

 

The only way around this is to hire a Chan Gailey type with tons of experience who isn't looking to become a HC again. I don't mean him specifically, but someone like that. 

 

That's the way to go here. McDermott is a good defensive mind but he needs a CEO for the offense. 

 

Go get an old proven offensive guy who would want to work with Allen, win a bunch of games, and maybe win a ring. But who isn't going to be plucked as a HC given his age/lack of desire to do that again. 

Edited November 7, 2023 by TheFunPolice

[Chaos]

1 hour ago, Captain_Quint said:

McD's success should be used a springboard for both parties. 

 

We have Allen to dangle in front of the best available talent and turn an OC into a head coach. 

 

McD has the rejuvenated franchise and city of Buffalo to hang his hat on. 

 

It shouldn't be that hard to shift gears at this point, except that we will need a new HC, DC, and OC all in one offseason. But we have Allen, Diggs, and a strong roster of talent. 

 

First, I do think McDermott gets another head-coaching job . But I think it is less than certain it’s hard to imagine any team who thinks they have their franchise quarterback in place hiring Sean McDermott. I also think any team with the draft capital to to land a franchise QB would not hire McDermott

 

It seems like the teams that would be interested would be the teams that are starting guys like Sam Howell or Derek Carr, who don’t really have realistic championship aspirations

 

[Paup 1995MVP]

2 hours ago, SCBills said:

We all know how this plays out.

 

McDermott gets next year, no matter what.

 

The only question is whether Dorsey gets let go.

 

I would hope McDermott's recent answers to questions about the Offense, when paired with the fact his bread and butter (Defense) has become the worst statistical defense in the league after getting hit with the injury bug, would finally open eyes at OBD.. but he has his built in excuse, along with a fall guy.

 

He's going to be here next year. 

The immediate future of the team (and this season) is two home games against Denver and the Jets that originally looked like easy victories.  Neither are going to be easy now.  (That we almost lost to the hapless Giants.  And lost to the equally hapless Patriots is a real bad look for the entire organization.  And what this team is currently made of.)

 

The team is spiraling downward and has been struggling since London.  Its the coach's job to keep the team believing they can win.  To put them in position to win with a good game plan.  And to keep playing hard every week.  I am very interested in how the team comes out next Monday nite.  We should beat the Broncos by at least 14-17 pts at home.  But that doesn't mean we will.  I think we will know in the next two weeks if McDermott has lost the team or not.  

 

If the team misses the playoffs and ends up with a losing record or close to it, McDermott has to go.

[Bulldog]

1 hour ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

I just want Dick Jauron back so I can see his emotionless face every weekend. 

At least we won't have to listen to people complaining that Jauron is "clapping" too much! 

[Yobogoya!]

2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

This.

 

The whole franchised is screwed because we have a Defensive HC who has to hire strong OCs in order to succeed.

 

And any half-decent OC will immediately get plucked for a HC job, and we're right back to where we started.

 

In today's NFL, you find your OC, make them HC, and then fill in your DC with whoever.

 

I think we'd have to target someone with a decent resume as an OC who's also flamed out already as a head coach at least once.

 

Just for example: Pat Shurmur. I wouldn't be super excited for him, but he's done reasonable well as an OC while never having a QB of Allen's caliber. But he's already flamed out TWICE as a HC, which combined with his age makes him very unlikely to get another shot even if the offense here is lights out. 

[Roundybout]

6 minutes ago, Chaos said:

First, I do think McDermott gets another head-coaching job . But I think it is less than certain it’s hard to imagine any team who thinks they have their franchise quarterback in place hiring Sean McDermott. I also think any team with the draft capital to to land a franchise QB would not hire McDermott

 

It seems like the teams that would be interested would be the teams that are starting guys like Sam Howell or Derek Carr, who don’t really have realistic championship aspirations

 

He will be like Frank Reich and have suitors lining up for him.

[Marcus Aurelius]

2 hours ago, Big Turk said:

The title does not accurately depict the topic of this thread, you should probably change it to make it reflect that.

[DrDawkinstein]

18 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

The only way around this is to hire a Chan Gailey type with tons of experience who isn't looking to become a HC again. I don't mean him specifically, but someone like that. 

 

That's the way to go here. McDermott is a good defensive mind but he needs a CEO for the offense. 

 

Go get an old proven offensive guy who would want to work with Allen, win a bunch of games, and maybe win a ring. But who isn't going to be plucked as a HC given his age/lack of desire to do that again. 

 

I'm not big on making people provide names on who they want to hire, but real question: who is out there that fits this mold that isnt hired already? and isnt too old that the modern game has passed them by?

 

Not trying to pin you to an answer. Genuinely curious on who I might be forgetting.

 

Josh McDaniels? haha jkjk

 

 

4 minutes ago, Yobogoya! said:

 

I think we'd have to target someone with a decent resume as an OC who's also flamed out already as a head coach at least once.

 

Just for example: Pat Shurmur. I wouldn't be super excited for him, but he's done reasonable well as an OC while never having a QB of Allen's caliber. But he's already flamed out TWICE as a HC, which combined with his age makes him very unlikely to get another shot even if the offense here is lights out. 

 

It's a decent sounding plan. But I dont think that is the current recipe for success in the modern NFL.

 

It's more along the lines of finding a young, unknown staff member from a top Offense and catching lightning in a bottle.

[Captain_Quint]

16 minutes ago, Chaos said:

First, I do think McDermott gets another head-coaching job . But I think it is less than certain it’s hard to imagine any team who thinks they have their franchise quarterback in place hiring Sean McDermott. I also think any team with the draft capital to to land a franchise QB would not hire McDermott

 

It seems like the teams that would be interested would be the teams that are starting guys like Sam Howell or Derek Carr, who don’t really have realistic championship aspirations

 

Agree on that, for sure. Sean will get a team that is either in need of a rebuild, or one that is already torn down to the studs with a new GM. 

 

And honestly, he will probably do a pretty good job if it's a scenario like that and he can find another QB.