I’m scared to fire McDermott.

[EasternOHBillsFan]

1 hour ago, BillMafia716ix said:

McDermott is not going anywhere anytime soon. This organization was a dumpster fire before McDermott/Beane showed up. Why are the Bills expectations so high? Because McDermott brought stability to the organization after YEARS of recycling  HC. They would go through a full roster rebuild before they would even consider doing it. 

Who the hell fires a coach who has won over 60% of their games. Has 3 division titles in 4 years and was just 13 seconds away from a SB appearance?? It makes zero sense. It’s not going to happen and its wasted energy to even think about it. 
 

Yes. We all want a Super Bowl!! So do 31 other teams but this isn’t college football where Georgia or Alabama win it every year. There’s a reason why there hasn’t been a repeat Super Bowl Champion in over 20 years. Because it’s hard to ***** do!! All you can ask for in this league is the opportunity to win a superbowl and since McDermott has been here, the Bills have been in the conversation to win it. Do they need to make changes? Absolutely. But changing HC isn’t one of them. 

 

 

1. JOSH ALLEN brought years of stability to the QB position, the MAIN REASON why we were in the desert for so many years.

 

2. Marty Schottenheimer, that's who. It's happened before, and that's off the top of my head.

 

3. The sum total of what is going on with the Bills points to major staff issues, and you are in the minority... the changes have been making us WORSE.

[BuffaninSarasota]

No accountability after 13 seconds. A funk after the GB last year, then getting throttled by Cinci in the playoffs.

 

After the London game with the Bills losing Milano & Jones on top of losing White vs. Miami, the very first thing I said was we needed to go all gas and just outscore everyone even if it meant a high-scoring shootout.

 

This team, and specifically the way Allen is wired, does SO much better up-tempo/no-huddle. We are an unstoppable wagon. Then we go conservative, predictable, and easy to defend, and lose all momentum.

 

"Let's stop doing what's working and switch to something with "more balance" - which stalls us and puts more pressure on an already depleted defense.

 

The $90m question is who is pulling the strings on blowing up our fast-break offense? Why would an OC do that? There's your answer.

 

Would McDermott rather lose 24-18 vs. 45-42 because the latter would expose his defense and his ego as a defensive mind?

 

Is Pegula that detached/ineffective to not see/hear what is going on? There is a rotten elephant in the room that no one wants to own up to.

 

 

[Big Blitz]

8 hours ago, May Day 10 said:

I think things would need to get really ugly in the lockerroom (and on the field) in order for Pegula to consider moving on from McDermott.

 

The best thing to hope for, if hoping for change, is a good-faith effort to hire good coordinators on both sides of the ball (and obviously includes replacing Dorsey).

 

 

 

As far as a house cleaning like many want/suggest, and I am open to it.  Sure....  But I have less than zero faith in Terry Pegula in hiring a new head coach or GM or anything.  

 

Diggs (the franchise’s 1B superstar) storming off after the playoff loss then being “sent home” by a “very concerned” McD wasn’t a big enough red flag this team has quit on Coach 13 Seconds.  
 

I saw enough after that moment instantly everything how it will play out flashed before my eyes and it has.  It is.  TWO seasons removed from it now.  Wasted.  
 

 

 

I’m not writing this season off btw.  But until we’re not —-NINTH in the conference or whatever beyond week 10 I’m considering the first 9 weeks the trend - BUT we have Josh so anything is possible.  

[DuckyBoys]

How many years McDermott get based on breaking the playoff curse?  We need to go 6-11 to get him fired?  Never gonna happen  Josh won 6 games with half a roster cap of a team and Kelvin Biscuit Benjamin as the #1  Only way MCDermott leaves is if they realize we've gone as far as we can with him and his process

[JMM]

58 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Yeah, I'm not willing to waste Josh's 2nd half of his career on the assumption that McD will someday "figure it out".  Sean has had 7 years and plenty of opportunities to display an elite level of game day abilities.  His defense blew a 16-0 lead in Houston.  His defense got run over in the 2020 afccg.  His defense performed one of the all time (:13)  meltdowns in NFL history a year later.  And against Cincy, his defense gave up 14 points before I even had time to get to the fridge.  If you grade him as a HR director,  he gets an A.  If you grade him as a game manager, he gets a C.  And he makes sure he never runs out of scapegoats. I'm done...hire BJ.

I can't disagree, as a game manager he has been extremely average, and doesn't always appear to be up to the challenge of the moment.

[All_Pro_Bills]

22 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Diggs (the franchise’s 1B superstar) storming off after the playoff loss then being “sent home” by a “very concerned” McD wasn’t a big enough red flag this team has quit on Coach 13 Seconds.  
 

I saw enough after that moment instantly everything how it will play out flashed before my eyes and it has.  It is.  TWO seasons removed from it now.  Wasted.  
 

 

 

I’m not writing this season off btw.  But until we’re not —-NINTH in the conference or whatever beyond week 10 I’m considering the first 9 weeks the trend - BUT we have Josh so anything is possible.  

I'm not writing off the season yet either but they need 10 or 11 wins.  At 5 now.  So find 5 or 6 more.

 

While nothing for certain, let's say Denver and New England.  That gets them to 7.

 

That leaves

Kansas City

New York

Dallas

Philadelphia

Los Angeles

Miami

 

Let's say they win the 2 remaing division games which is debatable but that gets them to 9.  Of the games left maybe the Chargers gets them to 10 so to get to 11 they need 1 out of the Chiefs, Eagles, or Cowboys.  I just don't see that happening unless there's some big improvement or guys get healthy in the next few weeks.  That doesn't look likely.

[BillsFanForever19]

We can complain about McDermott all we want and come up with reasons he should be fired.

 

It isn't going to happen.

 

He just got an extension this Offseason. He and Beane are tight. We went from the laughing stock of the league to a perennial contender under this regime.

 

If you think Beane is going to fire him after one bad season where we had our Defense decimated or that Pegula is going to step in and reset the team back to what it was when he came in, you're kidding yourself.

 

If anything is going to happen, Dorsey will take the fall and they'll find a new OC. It's going to take more than one year of missing the Playoffs. McDermott will have to lose the team, chief among them Josh, and have at least 2 bad years in a row before anything happens.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Just now, BillsFanForever19 said:

We can complain about McDermott all we want and come up with reasons he should be fired.

 

It isn't going to happen.

 

He just got an extension this Offseason. He and Beane are tight. We went from the laughing stock of the league to a perennial contender under this regime.

 

If you think Beane is going to fire him after one bad season where we had our Defense decimated or that Pegula is going to step in and reset the team back to what it was when he came in, you're kidding yourself.

 

If anything is going to happen, Dorsey will take the fall and they'll find a new OC. It's going to take more than one year of missing the Playoffs. McDermott will have to lose the team, chief among them Josh, and have at least 2 bad years in a row before anything happens.

McD has never brought in a too flight OC, hopefully that changes this summer. 

[Airseven]

Beane and McDermott would have to be fired together. Cardinals had no problem axing their regime after extensions, but I doubt that interests Pegula financially. I guess removing Dorsey buys McDermott yet another season. I’m more worried about Beane overseeing what likely will amount to a substantial roster overhaul. Or even worse, he tries to run it back to save his job.

[BillsVet]

3 hours ago, May Day 10 said:

End of the year presser with beans and McDermott drinking game words/phrases:

 

"Don't want to make excuses but..."

"Injuries"

"Evaluate"

"Disappointed"

"Process"

"Learn from our mistakes"

"Blue collar"

 

Can't forget the newest McD aphorism - "complementary football."  Whatever that is.

 

As to firing McD...I can't see Terry eating 2 years of McD's salary.  Perhaps if there was significant media focus, but Buffalo doesn't have that. 

Edited November 8, 2023 by BillsVet

[Billever76]

1 hour ago, BuffaninSarasota said:

No accountability after 13 seconds. A funk after the GB last year, then getting throttled by Cinci in the playoffs.

 

After the London game with the Bills losing Milano & Jones on top of losing White vs. Miami, the very first thing I said was we needed to go all gas and just outscore everyone even if it meant a high-scoring shootout.

 

This team, and specifically the way Allen is wired, does SO much better up-tempo/no-huddle. We are an unstoppable wagon. Then we go conservative, predictable, and easy to defend, and lose all momentum.

 

"Let's stop doing what's working and switch to something with "more balance" - which stalls us and puts more pressure on an already depleted defense.

 

The $90m question is who is pulling the strings on blowing up our fast-break offense? Why would an OC do that? There's your answer.

 

Would McDermott rather lose 24-18 vs. 45-42 because the latter would expose his defense and his ego as a defensive mind?

 

Is Pegula that detached/ineffective to not see/hear what is going on? There is a rotten elephant in the room that no one wants to own up to.

 

 

You get it...boggles my mind how anyone can point anywhere other than McDermott for our shortcomings at this point...he was needed in the beginning but now he is actually hurting this team

41 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

We can complain about McDermott all we want and come up with reasons he should be fired.

 

It isn't going to happen.

 

He just got an extension this Offseason. He and Beane are tight. We went from the laughing stock of the league to a perennial contender under this regime.

 

If you think Beane is going to fire him after one bad season where we had our Defense decimated or that Pegula is going to step in and reset the team back to what it was when he came in, you're kidding yourself.

 

If anything is going to happen, Dorsey will take the fall and they'll find a new OC. It's going to take more than one year of missing the Playoffs. McDermott will have to lose the team, chief among them Josh, and have at least 2 bad years in a row before anything happens.

I truly think bean answers to MCDERMOTT honestly

[McBean]

1 hour ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Diggs (the franchise’s 1B superstar) storming off after the playoff loss then being “sent home” by a “very concerned” McD wasn’t a big enough red flag this team has quit on Coach 13 Seconds.  
 

I saw enough after that moment instantly everything how it will play out flashed before my eyes and it has.  It is.  TWO seasons removed from it now.  Wasted.  
 

 

 

I’m not writing this season off btw.  But until we’re not —-NINTH in the conference or whatever beyond week 10 I’m considering the first 9 weeks the trend - BUT we have Josh so anything is possible.  

I forgot to address the Diggs issues in my original post.

 

Great point. Add that to the list against McClap.

 

This guy HAS to go folks. 

 

 

9 minutes ago, Billever76 said:

You get it...boggles my mind how anyone can point anywhere other than McDermott for our shortcomings at this point...he was needed in the beginning but now he is actually hurting this team

I truly think bean answers to MCDERMOTT honestly

100% Beane does.

 

Sean is the czar. 

[Gugny]

11 hours ago, McBean said:

“lOoK AT ouR pREVioUs cOaChes mAN. NOt woRTH THe RiSk.”

 

Let’s address this coward mentality. Conservative mentality. No dog mentality. The soft mentality the Buffalo media has accepted along with some fans here.

 

Bills previous head coaches in the 2000’s and their QB’s up until McClappy was hired.

 

Wade- Flutie and Johnson

Williams- Johnson and Bledsoe

Mularkey- Bledsoe

Jauron- Losman and Checkdown Edwards

Gailey- Fitz

Marrone- Manuel and Orton

Rex- Tee Rod

McClap- Tee Rod and Allen

 

You notice something? Yeah, all of the prior coaches had horrible QB’s and lost here. Shocker!

Myth: “He (McClap) changed the culture 

Fact: We had a negative point differential and a soft schedule in 2017 when the drought was broken. He punted in OT against Indy and was playing for the tie. A fumble led to a win. Also, a guy named Andy Dalton threw a pass that was nothing short of a miracle to get us in. The following season we stunk and got lucky to land Allen. Ever since, the clown coach has hid behind his star QB. Look at the terrible losses over the years. At JAX, at NE, ran over by Jonathan Taylor, Houston playoff meltdown, curb stomped by Cincy last playoffs…

 

Myth: “Let’s fire Dorsey. It’s his fault.”

Fact:  Last year it was fire Frazier. It’s his fault. Leslie got the blame. Now, some of you are falling right into the same trap this Czar is going to spew at years end. Reality is if we hire a bright offensive mind who flourishes here, that guy is now gone in 2 years or less and we are stuck doing the same thing over. O, and even a great OC can’t cover up your clown HC horrible in game decision making. Your OC can’t cover up the obsession with defensive picks and big money to that side of the ball. Your OC can’t cover up the conservative scared coaching approaches like punting before half or kicking field goals down 2 scores. YOUR OC CANT COVER UP 13 SECONDS.

 

In conclusion, I’m sick and freakin tired of the scared Buffalo media who won’t call this guy out. Guys like Adam Schein and Ross Tucker don’t hesitate to address the incompetence of McClap. Last comments…

 

Jerry Kraus told Doug Collins to hit the bricks and promoted a guy named Phil Jackson to get the Bulls over the hump led by a guy named Michael Jordan. Did it work? 6 rings boss.

 

Warriors told Mark Jackson to hit the bricks and hired a guy named Steve Kerr. Did it work? 4 rings.

 

Brass Balls Howie Roseman told his SUPER BOWL WINNING COACH DOUG PEDERSON YOU’RE FIRED PAL TWO YEARS POST LOMBARDI! Did it work? Eagles #1 team in the league. Super Bowl appearance last year. Humming on offense. Sirriani aggressive coach who could coach circles around McClap. Incredible offensive line. Weapons galore. Has made Jalen Hurts into an MVP.

You guys want to sit back and take this crap? Be my guest. I’ve pounded the table for 3 years to get this bozo out of WNY. Now, some are finally thinking I’m not crazy. You’re seeing it in front of your eyes folks. We are wasting a Hall of Fame QB. We are wasting time. We are wasting our best chance ever to win a Super Bowl title. To get this dark cloud over with. To bring a trophy home to WNY. For Bills Mafia across the world. How can we better our chances? Simple…

 

Terry, please God do the right thing and FIRE SEAN MCDERMOTT.

 

 

 

Nothing I hate more than when someone beats around the bush. 

[RyanC883]

5 hours ago, Andy1 said:

Every team has a bad ending except one each year. Get used to it.

Regression in season ending and manner of play are what’s worrisome.  I suppose you are fine with regression and continuing poor offensive play, and not winning a SB.  

[HappyDays]

Putting aside all of McDermott's coaching issues, there is also clearly a malaise hanging over the team right now. That alone is good enough reason to make a change IMO. Get a new persona in the building to invigorate the team.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

14 hours ago, McBean said:

“lOoK AT ouR pREVioUs cOaChes mAN. NOt woRTH THe RiSk.”

 

Let’s address this coward mentality. Conservative mentality. No dog mentality. The soft mentality the Buffalo media has accepted along with some fans here.

 

Bills previous head coaches in the 2000’s and their QB’s up until McClappy was hired.

 

Wade- Flutie and Johnson

Williams- Johnson and Bledsoe

Mularkey- Bledsoe

Jauron- Losman and Checkdown Edwards

Gailey- Fitz

Marrone- Manuel and Orton

Rex- Tee Rod

McClap- Tee Rod and Allen

 

You notice something? Yeah, all of the prior coaches had horrible QB’s and lost here. Shocker!

Myth: “He (McClap) changed the culture 

Fact: We had a negative point differential and a soft schedule in 2017 when the drought was broken. He punted in OT against Indy and was playing for the tie. A fumble led to a win. Also, a guy named Andy Dalton threw a pass that was nothing short of a miracle to get us in. The following season we stunk and got lucky to land Allen. Ever since, the clown coach has hid behind his star QB. Look at the terrible losses over the years. At JAX, at NE, ran over by Jonathan Taylor, Houston playoff meltdown, curb stomped by Cincy last playoffs…

 

Myth: “Let’s fire Dorsey. It’s his fault.”

Fact:  Last year it was fire Frazier. It’s his fault. Leslie got the blame. Now, some of you are falling right into the same trap this Czar is going to spew at years end. Reality is if we hire a bright offensive mind who flourishes here, that guy is now gone in 2 years or less and we are stuck doing the same thing over. O, and even a great OC can’t cover up your clown HC horrible in game decision making. Your OC can’t cover up the obsession with defensive picks and big money to that side of the ball. Your OC can’t cover up the conservative scared coaching approaches like punting before half or kicking field goals down 2 scores. YOUR OC CANT COVER UP 13 SECONDS.

 

In conclusion, I’m sick and freakin tired of the scared Buffalo media who won’t call this guy out. Guys like Adam Schein and Ross Tucker don’t hesitate to address the incompetence of McClap. Last comments…

 

Jerry Kraus told Doug Collins to hit the bricks and promoted a guy named Phil Jackson to get the Bulls over the hump led by a guy named Michael Jordan. Did it work? 6 rings boss.

 

Warriors told Mark Jackson to hit the bricks and hired a guy named Steve Kerr. Did it work? 4 rings.

 

Brass Balls Howie Roseman told his SUPER BOWL WINNING COACH DOUG PEDERSON YOU’RE FIRED PAL TWO YEARS POST LOMBARDI! Did it work? Eagles #1 team in the league. Super Bowl appearance last year. Humming on offense. Sirriani aggressive coach who could coach circles around McClap. Incredible offensive line. Weapons galore. Has made Jalen Hurts into an MVP.

You guys want to sit back and take this crap? Be my guest. I’ve pounded the table for 3 years to get this bozo out of WNY. Now, some are finally thinking I’m not crazy. You’re seeing it in front of your eyes folks. We are wasting a Hall of Fame QB. We are wasting time. We are wasting our best chance ever to win a Super Bowl title. To get this dark cloud over with. To bring a trophy home to WNY. For Bills Mafia across the world. How can we better our chances? Simple…

 

Terry, please God do the right thing and FIRE SEAN MCDERMOTT.

 

 

 

 

McDermott fixed the ship but is not the captain to sail it

 

 

[Buffalo Super Fan]

14 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

You make some valid points, but stop banging your head against a brick wall.  Terry is not firing McD this year, next year or any other year in the near future. 

So Terry Pegula is fine with a potential half empty new Highmark Stadium? Who is paying thousands of dollars for PSL’s for 5 more years of Sean McDermott in the hunt teams? So I don’t buy that Terry Pegula doesn’t have a breaking point with Sean McDermott especially if Sean McDermott potentially loses the locker room like the Las Vegas Raiders head coach Josh McDaniels did? I don’t think Terry Pegula is so loyal to Sean McDermott he is willing to have a potential half empty stadium. The Buffalo Bills are in unprecedented territory they are about to ask Buffalo Bills fans for PSL’s and higher ticket prices for a mediocre football in the hunt football product again? With the difference it’s not cheap tickets anymore that is the difference. We will all see how Western New York responds to in the hunt Sean McDermott era teams for huge season ticket increases in the new Highmark Stadium? I don’t believe that tailgating wipes away Sean McDermott in the hunt teams yearly potentially? Not with PSL’s Western New York doesn’t have enough Bills fans with unlimited money to throw away on a in the hunt NFL head coach Sean McDermott. We will see it will be interesting what the Buffalo Bills ownership does? A lot of determining Sean McDermott being retained might be how many Bills fans renew their Bills season memberships for more of head coach Sean McDermott in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

[John from Riverside]

And you should be
 

The bills are not going to fire McDermott Dorsey, though maybe

[BobbyC81]

16 hours ago, SCBills said:

We all know how this plays out.

 

McDermott gets next year, no matter what.

 

The only question is whether Dorsey gets let go.

 

I would hope McDermott's recent answers to questions about the Offense, when paired with the fact his bread and butter (Defense) has become the worst statistical defense in the league after getting hit with the injury bug, would finally open eyes at OBD.. but he has his built in excuse, along with a fall guy.

 

He's going to be here next year. 

No matter how this season turns out, the Bills will have their end of season meetings together and with Pegula and I’m sure the issues with the offense will be discussed.  Depending on what type of person Dorsey is, he will either resign and go away quietly, or be fired.  My money is on the latter as he has shown to be an emotional person.

[BillsPride12]

1 hour ago, BobbyC81 said:

No matter how this season turns out, the Bills will have their end of season meetings together and with Pegula and I’m sure the issues with the offense will be discussed.  Depending on what type of person Dorsey is, he will either resign and go away quietly, or be fired.  My money is on the latter as he has shown to be an emotional person.

Dorsey at the end of the year meeting:

 

 

Edited November 8, 2023 by BillsPride12