McDermott answers why we stopped uptempo offense

[PBF81]

4 hours ago, KeLLy1278 said:

That’s quite funny relating to one of the most patient fanbases in all of sports.

 

Indeed.  But it's only been 7 seasons.  He obviously needs more time to iron out the kinks.  

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

9 hours ago, Simon said:

 

Do you really want Terry Pegula making another coaching hire?

What are the odds that he is capable of hiring somebody that is an actual upgrade over McDermott?

 

Given his low football acumen, I understand your hesitation.  My point was more that there is likely someone out there that would bring them forward, not backwards.

10 hours ago, Roundybout said:

He won’t and you can enjoy us trotting out some journeyman while we convince ourselves that ground n pound is gonna get us a ring. 
 

Like I said, if we fire McD I hope to god he wins the Super Bowl the very next season. 

For every Siriani, there are a dozen mediocre pieces of garbage at head coach. 
 

I refuse to fire a proven winner just to hire Joe Judge/Arthur Smith/Pat Schurmer/Freddie Kitchens…

 

I bet it's not a binary choice as you put it.

[BillsMontreal]

5 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

McDermott was actually hired to do a different job than the one he has now. Seriously. He was hired to turn around a moribund franchise, and he succeeded with flying colors. I'll never lose my gratitude to him for moving mountains to pull us out of the drought years. Whatever consulting firm recommended him for that job, I'd happily take their recommendation again for the next one.

 

But now his job is to turn a very good team into a Super Bowl winner. I don't think it's unreasonable to say that the two jobs require different skill sets. Even in the corporate world there are guys that specialize in turning a flailing company around, before handing it off to a steady management team to take it the rest of the way. I think that's the stage we are at now.

 

Also I think this hiring process would be relatively easy. One of the richest owners in the league offering the opportunity to coach the back half of Josh Allen's career, with a couple years still left of Diggs in his prime, a budding star in Kincaid, and a defense full of older players that can easily be switched out with preferred players for the new DC's scheme. It would be the most attractive head coach opening since Denver in 2015.

 

The public pressure would be high to hire an offensive coach and Pegula would have his pick of the litter. I'd be shocked if it ended up a total disaster. To me the obvious answer would be Ben Johnson and I suspect that Pegula would eventually land on him as well.

 

If nothing else, getting some new voices in the building next year might do wonders for the malaise that everyone on the team is clearly feeling. The new regime takes Diggs in a room to vent for an hour and promises to make changes. They sit Allen down and design a system around his strengths, remind him how much fun he used to have playing QB, and he enters the offseason feeling like a man on a mission. Just totally hit the reset button with all of the drama and BS that's bubbled up over the past few years and I bet it ignites a spark in the team.

 

You don't think that possible outcome is worth a little risk?

 

Cannot be more agree. 

 

At the end, it's all about expectations.

 

[boyst]

11 hours ago, Roundybout said:

 

The Eagles have the most talented roster in the NFL. You could plug Chip Kelly in there and they'd still be having success. 

 

Oh he lost the team? Is that why we finished with double-digit wins the next season and won the division again? 

you're new here so i'll be kind. i'll give you a few bullet points

 

there was a near mutiny in the locker room that escalated to the plane. players were not happy and blaming the defense for the let down. frazier was not calling the plays.

 

mcdermott said they would take a look at it and hold everyone accountable despite him telling the coverage team they're squibing but the kicker never finding out and kicking it deep. it was mcd who said to squib and no one told the kicker. he fired the ST coordinator.

 

daboll was concerned that mcdermott kept investing tons of resources and energy into defense and not getting the attention he needed. daboll knew what he had the potential for on offense and shawn was so busy help and covering for frazier that a rift was exposed.

 

further nothing was compatible - mcdermott and beane kept bringing in pieces that daboll didn't need and could not use - save for sanders, beasley. daboll couldn't use a knickknack player like mckenzie, he wanted better ol, he had requests that went ignored.

Edited November 7, 2023 by boyst

[yall]

The fact that McDermott seems to prefer a slow 3-and-out versus up-tempo scoring tells me all I need to know.

 

Time to go.

[Coach Tuesday]

6 hours ago, HappyDays said:

I will admit to being a little entertained by this last month of laughable coaching, culminating in this rock bottom press conference. If the team isn't going to be good, they might as well be hilariously bumbling. Maybe it will even tip Pegula over the edge.

If they lose at home on primetime TV to the Broncos, that might do it.  I share your affection for Ben Johnson.  This week will also be interesting because the Big 10 is going to be levying some kind of punishment on Michigan - perhaps it frees up Harbaugh, and perhaps he becomes Option A (and yes I’m aware he once fought Jim Kelly nobody cares anymore).

[Negan]

It's over for McDermott, the writings on the wall, in fact the writings on the field.

[Roundybout]

44 minutes ago, boyst said:

you're new here so i'll be kind. i'll give you a few bullet points

 

there was a near mutiny in the locker room that escalated to the plane. players were not happy and blaming the defense for the let down. frazier was not calling the plays.

 

mcdermott said they would take a look at it and hold everyone accountable despite him telling the coverage team they're squibing but the kicker never finding out and kicking it deep. it was mcd who said to squib and no one told the kicker. he fired the ST coordinator.

 

daboll was concerned that mcdermott kept investing tons of resources and energy into defense and not getting the attention he needed. daboll knew what he had the potential for on offense and shawn was so busy help and covering for frazier that a rift was exposed.

 

further nothing was compatible - mcdermott and beane kept bringing in pieces that daboll didn't need and could not use - save for sanders, dorsey. daboll couldn't use a knickknack player like mckenzie, he wanted better ol, he had requests that went ignored.

I’ve been here years with 8000 posts, not sure where you’re getting new from.

 

Theres zero evidence for any kind of “mutiny” beyond anecdotal evidence. I don’t buy it. Of course the players are going to be upset after a loss like that.

 

If they truly hated McD, why did we win the division again the next season? 

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Given his low football acumen, I understand your hesitation.  My point was more that there is likely someone out there that would bring them forward, not backwards.

 

I bet it's not a binary choice as you put it.

You trust Pegula to hit again? I dont.

5 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

just the dumbest thing ive ever heard. After the game he said he needed to find out why we went away from up tempo, so that tells me he's covering for Dorsey now and is who is responsible for the bad game plans.

 

McDermott isnt getting fired so we need to get a new OC .

 

 

Side note #MattAraiza

 

 

 

 

 

yeah ... 😕😕

 

 

Why have no other teams signed Araiza if he’s so good?

[boyst]

4 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

I’ve been here years with 8000 posts, not sure where you’re getting new from.

 

Theres zero evidence for any kind of “mutiny” beyond anecdotal evidence. I don’t buy it. Of course the players are going to be upset after a loss like that.

 

If they truly hated McD, why did we win the division again the next season? 

You trust Pegula to hit again? I dont.

Why have no other teams signed Araiza if he’s so good?

alright, well you're new to me... and post count doesn't mean as much as post content.

 

and of course you haven't heard it. the media in buffalo won't touch it and it's sad. but you can believe it or not - but it's what happened. the players had to be pulled away from each other.

 

your question fo if they hated mcd and why they won the next season? uhh, players like to win and we have good players.

 

i could easily argue that the victories we have are because of the players more than anything else, especially miami this year.

[Roundybout]

10 hours ago, JTown said:

I don't know how people cannot see that he has already lost the team.  IMO he lost a good majority after the 13 second game.  Everything has continued to unravel since.  The dejected look on Josh's face when Diggs was allegedly screaming at him has never left.  I am certain Josh is more frustrated than anyone on the team.  He can't just go rogue and call his own plays.  I'm relatively certain that Diggs issue during OTAs was his displeasure with the way the offense was being run, but I think Josh convinced him they could make it work.  Get your popcorn ready because I think Diggs will eventually speak his mind.  Unfortunately,  it's  going to get a lot uglier.  Book it.

You people don’t know what “lost the team” looks like 

[Sherlock Holmes]

6 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

just the dumbest thing ive ever heard. After the game he said he needed to find out why we went away from up tempo, so that tells me he's covering for Dorsey now and is who is responsible for the bad game plans.

 

McDermott isnt getting fired so we need to get a new OC .

 

 

Side note #MattAraiza

 

 

 

 

 

yeah ... 😕😕

 

 

#MattAraiza #MattToo

[Roundybout]

5 minutes ago, boyst said:

alright, well you're new to me... and post count doesn't mean as much as post content.

 

and of course you haven't heard it. the media in buffalo won't touch it and it's sad. but you can believe it or not - but it's what happened. the players had to be pulled away from each other.

 

your question fo if they hated mcd and why they won the next season? uhh, players like to win and we have good players.

 

i could easily argue that the victories we have are because of the players more than anything else, especially miami this year.

Sorry, I didn’t know I was in the presence of the forum god. Us nobodies will be more respectful next time. 
 

How do you know it’s what happened? Where are you getting it from? I don’t disagree that the sports media around here kind of sucks, but someone like Tim Graham would have gotten it. 
 

So they hated McD enough to listen to him and have another season with double digit wins? Did they just go rogue?

[Big Turk]

This is him basically saying "I delegate that responsibility to my OC to do what he thinks is best during a game and this is really on him, but I am not going throw him under the bus directly."  

 

Honestly, he is taking bullets for Dorsey right now and not publicly disparaging him.  Behind closed doors, I wonder what is going on tho.

Edited November 7, 2023 by Big Turk

[Bubba Gump]

13 hours ago, jlgarsh said:

Fire him

 

He is garbage.....I mean garbage. McDaniels would be a better coach for this team. Unfortunately 

[Coach Tuesday]

2 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

This is him basically saying "I delegate that responsibility to my OC to do what he thinks is best during a game and this is really on him, but I am not going throw him under the bus directly."  

 

Honestly, he is taking bullets for Dorsey right now and not publicly disparaging.  Behind closed doors, I wonder what is going on tho.

Yep but also basically admitting he’s not part of the weekly offensive install which is shocking, especially for a game of that magnitude.  What I think actually happened was that someone decided that the Bengals’ DC is too clever and prepared (aka a better coach) to run the same offensive concepts they ran the previous game so they tried to catch the Bengals off guard with a different set of concepts.

 

They are morons.

[Sherlock Holmes]

14 minutes ago, boyst said:

alright, well you're new to me... and post count doesn't mean as much as post content.

 

and of course you haven't heard it. the media in buffalo won't touch it and it's sad. but you can believe it or not - but it's what happened. the players had to be pulled away from each other.

 

your question fo if they hated mcd and why they won the next season? uhh, players like to win and we have good players.

 

i could easily argue that the victories we have are because of the players more than anything else, especially miami this year.

Do we know what players were involved and going at each other specifically Boyst?

2 minutes ago, Bubba Gump said:

 

He is garbage.....I mean garbage. McDaniels would be a better coach for this team. Unfortunately 

I'd take Ruxin in a hot second!

[boyst]

4 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

Sorry, I didn’t know I was in the presence of the forum god. Us nobodies will be more respectful next time. 
 

How do you know it’s what happened? Where are you getting it from? I don’t disagree that the sports media around here kind of sucks, but someone like Tim Graham would have gotten it. 
 

So they hated McD enough to listen to him and have another season with double digit wins? Did they just go rogue?

of course, i understand it's not easy to recognize how great i am.

 

i just know it did.

 

the players want to win regardless of who the coach is but when is the last time this team had an identity? even the defense? these guys are institutionalized to the system of the nfl and those who are not we often hear rumors about them being unhappy (hughes, and diggs notably).

3 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

Do we know what players were involved and going at each other specifically Boyst?

hughes, mckenzie, diggs, feleciano, poyer, wallace, a few others

 

offense v. defense.

[DrDawkinstein]

10 hours ago, Simon said:

 

C'mon man, you know I didn't say or even imply that.

If McDermott was genuinely awful or had been for years, then of course you cut bait and let Pegula hire anew.

But he's not awful and has been successful sine he's got here.

I don't want to see perfect become the enemy of good when the downside is arguably greater than the upside 

 

 

You want to use the same consulting service to hire the new coach that you used to hire the coach you're now firing for cause?

There's something in there that doesn't smell right.

 

Some mostly irrelevant Insider info: You know who in the organization was selling McDermott hard and was primarily responsible for his hiring?

Doug Whaley was the one who talked Pegula into hiring him. 🤯

 

You didnt say it, and I know you were just joking (as am I), but that statement DOES imply no new coaching hire ever. Since it will always be Terry making the decision. What else could it mean? Regardless...

 

If McDermott was genuinely awful, then I wouldnt trust Terry and the Consulting Service to pick a new coach. But he hasnt been awful. He's been very good. But now he isnt good enough as we've hit his ceiling. So I trust that the same group can build on that and find someone better.

 

It's not the Consultants who picked Rex

 

I trust Pegula more with Bills decisions than Sabres decisions because Terry doesnt trust himself with the NFL.

 

Terry is a hockey guy. Always has been. He got into all of this because he needed something to do in retirement and thought running a hockey team for $150M would be a fun little lark.

 

He got pushed into the NFL ownership, and was aware from the very first moment that they were in over their heads. So he's more keen to listen to others, or bring in outside firms to help. Where as with the NHL, he thinks he knows enough to decide everything himself.

 

And if the Consulting Service and Whaley got us McD, I'd love to see the the Service and Beane would get us.

[damj]

6 hours ago, KeLLy1278 said:

That’s quite funny relating to one of the most patient fanbases in all of sports.  

 

1 hour ago, PBF81 said:

Indeed.  But it's only been 7 seasons.  He obviously needs more time to iron out the kinks.  

I was patient with him, but I'm done with him now. He has to go. After 13 seconds, he tried to sweep it under the rug, but they clearly screwed up. 

 

Now watching him throttle down this offense is too much.

[zow2]

I agree they should go up Tempo more and build in it to the game plan.  But people need to realize it won't always work, and there will be some very fast 3 and outs.  When that happens, it won't be good on the D.

 

The Book has been written on how to stop the Bills offense.  Clearly teams are not willing to give up the big play to Allen/Diggs/Gabe.  D-Coordinators are saying, OK lets see if you Buffalo Bills can nickel and dime your way down the field with your impatient QB and crappy running game.  Because at some point during an 8-10 play drive, they bank on Allen throwing an INT, or the offense fumbling, taking a sack, taking a bad penalty, tipped pass, not converting a 3rd down, etc..  Kind of the same philosophy our defense uses.