McDermott answers why we stopped uptempo offense

[jlgarsh]

3 hours ago, Roundybout said:

 

Great, then we can be the Philip Rivers Chargers! Yaaaay! 

 

What a joke. 

That’s what the Bills are now! Time to do better.

3 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:

Not a McD fan and think he is at his ceiling, but this is a great point and very worrisome

I’d let Beane take a crack at it.

[Warcodered]

5 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

So many have it wrong in this thread...you guys realize that McD is giving you DORSEY's answer to why they didn't run the uptempo right?  

 

All this anger at McD over the answer is totally misguided.  Now if you want to be mad at McD for not yet firing Dorsey, then that is fair game.  But this answer everyone is so upset about is the answer Dorsey gave McD after they met and reviewed the game.  

 

FIRE DORSEY

 

 

This is all speculation obviously, but even if that is the case despite being the HC to fire someone at the level of an OC McDermott would need approval from the top.

1 hour ago, Herc11 said:

What leads you to believe this? Why would the OC who scripted an up tempo start with the QB, suddenly decide to not keep what worked so well? 

 

That's a defensive mindset that wanted to try and slow the game down cause he didn't want to end up in a shootout.

 

McDermott was the one who failed at the end of the half sending out the punt unit with like 15 seconds left, instead of a hail Mary. The moment was too big for him and he didn't have a time out to slow things down so he could think about what to do.

 

Which is the second blunder he has made with less than 20 seconds on the clock. He never even should of sent the punting unit out there.

That doesn't really make any sense, what was this defensive mindset to instead of a shootout just get shot? From Dorsey's side I could see the up tempo being embarrassing because it seemingly puts a lot more of the decision making into the hands of the QB.

[par73]

Brilliant non-answer! So, the Bills had the game in hand with the uptempo, and just wanted to see if other strategies would work out as well.

[jlgarsh]

3 hours ago, Simon said:

 

There's more than just a "risk" of getting worse.

The Bills best chance of maintaining success is probably to minimize the amount of involvement that Pegula has with the football (or hockey) side of operations.

McDermott is a solid coach who is respected by his players and his peers. Letting Terry pick another coach to replace that is a potential nightmare in the offing.

The only thing the Bills should do in regard to McDermott is hire a real DC for next year so he's not walking around with so many hats on at once.

McDermott is Doug Collins and the Bills need their Phil Jackson. Let Beane pick the new coach. Every coach is hired to be fired. If Tom Landry can get fired, Sean McDermott can be too. Chan Gailey could get the Bills to the playoffs if he had Josh Allen. 

[HappyDays]

I will admit to being a little entertained by this last month of laughable coaching, culminating in this rock bottom press conference. If the team isn't going to be good, they might as well be hilariously bumbling. Maybe it will even tip Pegula over the edge.

[jlgarsh]

Was it ESPN that ranked McDermott as the 22nd best head coach at the start of the season? One of the sites did.

[HappyDays]

4 hours ago, Simon said:

You want to use the same consulting service to hire the new coach that you used to hire the coach you're now firing for cause?

 

McDermott was actually hired to do a different job than the one he has now. Seriously. He was hired to turn around a moribund franchise, and he succeeded with flying colors. I'll never lose my gratitude to him for moving mountains to pull us out of the drought years. Whatever consulting firm recommended him for that job, I'd happily take their recommendation again for the next one.

 

But now his job is to turn a very good team into a Super Bowl winner. I don't think it's unreasonable to say that the two jobs require different skill sets. Even in the corporate world there are guys that specialize in turning a flailing company around, before handing it off to a steady management team to take it the rest of the way. I think that's the stage we are at now.

 

Also I think this hiring process would be relatively easy. One of the richest owners in the league offering the opportunity to coach the back half of Josh Allen's career, with a couple years still left of Diggs in his prime, a budding star in Kincaid, and a defense full of older players that can easily be switched out with preferred players for the new DC's scheme. It would be the most attractive head coach opening since Denver in 2015.

 

The public pressure would be high to hire an offensive coach and Pegula would have his pick of the litter. I'd be shocked if it ended up a total disaster. To me the obvious answer would be Ben Johnson and I suspect that Pegula would eventually land on him as well.

 

If nothing else, getting some new voices in the building next year might do wonders for the malaise that everyone on the team is clearly feeling. The new regime takes Diggs in a room to vent for an hour and promises to make changes. They sit Allen down and design a system around his strengths, remind him how much fun he used to have playing QB, and he enters the offseason feeling like a man on a mission. Just totally hit the reset button with all of the drama and BS that's bubbled up over the past few years and I bet it ignites a spark in the team.

 

You don't think that possible outcome is worth a little risk?

 

Edited November 7, 2023 by HappyDays

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

McDermott was actually hired to do a different job than the one he has now. Seriously. He was hired to turn around a moribund franchise, and he succeeded with flying colors. I'll never lose my gratitude to him for moving mountains to pull us out of the drought years. Whatever consulting firm recommended him for that job, I'd happily take their recommendation again for the next one.

 

But now his job is to turn a very good team into a Super Bowl winner. I don't think it's unreasonable to say that the two jobs require different skill sets. Even in the corporate world there are guys that specialize in turning a flailing company around, before handing it off to a steady management team to take it the rest of the way. I think that's the stage we are at now.

 

Also I think this hiring process would be relatively easy. One of the richest owners in the league offering the opportunity to coach the back half of Josh Allen's career, with a couple years still left of Diggs in his prime, a budding star in Kincaid, and a defense full of older players that can easily be switched out with preferred players for the new DC's scheme. It would be the most attractive head coach opening since Denver in 2015.

 

The public pressure would be high to hire an offensive coach and Pegula would have his pick of the litter. I'd be shocked if it ended up a total disaster. To me the obvious answer would be Ben Johnson and I suspect that Pegula would eventually land on him as well.

 

If nothing else, getting some new voices in the building next year might do wonders for the malaise that everyone on the team is clearly feeling. The new regime takes Diggs in a room to vent for an hour and promises to make changes. They sit Allen down and design a system around his strengths and he enters the offseason feeling like a man on a mission. Just totally hit the reset button with all of the drama and BS that's bubbled up over the past few years and I bet it ignites a spark in the team. You don't think that possible outcome is worth a little risk?

 

 

I do. But I have 0.0% trust in Terry Pegula to get it right. He is the least competent of the 3 top men in the organisation.

 

Which is mot an excuse for standing pat by the way. And I don't offer it as one. But my confidence that Terry wouldn't screw it up is extremely low.

Edited November 7, 2023 by GunnerBill

[HappyDays]

9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I do. But I have 0.0% trust in Terry Pegula to get it right. He is the least competent of the 3 top men in the organisation.

 

Like I said I don't think getting the head coach right would be difficult. These days you hire the next up and coming offensive mind and give them total control of the team. Pegula might not know that, but the people he hires to lead the search will. Ben Johnson is an easy choice, if he wants to be a head coach. I would give Bienemy real consideration. I'm sure there are others along those lines.

 

To me the worst case scenario is we stick with McDermott and then Ben Johnson ends up with the Chargers, and our position in the AFC dwindles further.

 

Edited November 7, 2023 by HappyDays

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Like I said I don't think getting the head coach right would be difficult. These days you hire the next up and coming offensive mind and give them total control of the team. Pegula might not know that, but the people he hires to lead the search will. Ben Johnson is an easy choice, if he wants to be a head coach. I would give Bienemy real consideration. I'm sure there are others along those lines.

 

To me the worst case scenario is we stick with McDermott and then Ben Johnson ends up with the Chargers, and our position in the AFC dwindles further.

 

I don't think it needs to be difficult for Terry to screw it up.

[HappyDays]

4 hours ago, Roundybout said:

 

Like replacing Lindy Ruff with Ron Rolston?

 

Why does an NHL hire from a decade ago have any relevance to this conversation at all? I don't watch hockey but even I know that managing NHL teams is entirely different from managing NFL teams. This is just fishing for reasons to keep McDermott around.

 

Like honestly what do you think is going to happen, Pegula will shock the world and hire Hue Jackson? It isn't that complicated. The formula for hiring a head coach in the modern NFL has been established.

 

6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think it needs to be difficult for Terry to screw it up.

 

I'll admit Ben Johnson sways my opinion in this discussion. Knowing that he is likely available this offseason makes this an easy call IMO. Given such an attractive and obvious candidate, there would be overwhelming support for that hire from everybody Pegula consulted. So I think it is the exact right offseason for Pegula to make this move without us having to worry about him screwing it up.

 

If Ben Johnson ultimately fails as a head coach I can live with that. At least we'll have tried.

 

Edited November 7, 2023 by HappyDays

[Buffalo Barbarian]

7 hours ago, Einstein said:

Make of this what you will.

 

 

Mods if this belongs in another thread, please feel free to merge it. I didn’t know where this exactly fits in.

 

just the dumbest thing ive ever heard. After the game he said he needed to find out why we went away from up tempo, so that tells me he's covering for Dorsey now and is who is responsible for the bad game plans.

 

McDermott isnt getting fired so we need to get a new OC .

 

 

Side note #MattAraiza

 

 

 

 

7 hours ago, Breakout Squad said:

I’ve always been a huge McDermott fan… but I’m losing faith he can get us to the SB. 

 

yeah ... 😕😕

 

 

[KeLLy1278]

7 hours ago, PBF81 said:

 

Come on now.  Be patient, ... trust the Process!  

 

 

That’s quite funny relating to one of the most patient fanbases in all of sports.

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

I will admit to being a little entertained by this last month of laughable coaching, culminating in this rock bottom press conference. If the team isn't going to be good, they might as well be hilariously bumbling. Maybe it will even tip Pegula over the edge.

The cherry on top was him throwing the challenge flag on an obvious incompletion.  It did get some laughs across the country I’m sure.. and a forfeited timeout.  

[McDeerInTheHeadlights]

10 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

I hope he is more inspiring in the locker room with the players, then he is in those press conferences…

 

 

 

Have you ever listened to his post-game speeches? He is killing the collective testosterone level in the locker room with that cringe beta a** s***.

[BillsFan2313]

10 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

So many have it wrong in this thread...you guys realize that McD is giving you DORSEY's answer to why they didn't run the uptempo right?  

 

All this anger at McD over the answer is totally misguided.  Now if you want to be mad at McD for not yet firing Dorsey, then that is fair game.  But this answer everyone is so upset about is the answer Dorsey gave McD after they met and reviewed the game.  

 

FIRE DORSEY

 

 

 

Yep. Dorsey said what I have been thinking this whole time. He overthinks it.

 

He said they change up the offense so it doesn't become predictable. Are you kidding me? 

[CSBill]

9 hours ago, JMM said:

That's right up there with Wade's " hes more of a punt catcher than returner". Who remembers that one? 🙂

 

One of the all-time great Bills Coaching comments.

[Niagara Dude]

11 hours ago, Einstein said:

Make of this what you will.

 

 

Mods if this belongs in another thread, please feel free to merge it. I didn’t know where this exactly fits in.

Another hint that McDermott is totally behind play calling while some fans just want to fire Dorsey when he is only doing what he is told.  Not sure when fans are going to get it,  this team has not look the same on offence his the KC playoff game which was Dabol's last game.  Dorsey was given the job with the understanding that they need to play more conservative and have long time consuming drives= complimentary football as McDermott continues to talk about. 

[ProcessTruster]

11 hours ago, Governor said:

Dorsey said it was crowd noise.

That could be, actually, that crowd was crazy loud; but McD isn't going to say that as it might get out and incite the next away game crowd.  Who knows.  Lets see if they go back to it at home on Sunday.  

[ProcessTruster]

4 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Why does an NHL hire from a decade ago have any relevance to this conversation at all? I don't watch hockey but even I know that managing NHL teams is entirely different from managing NFL teams. This is just fishing for reasons to keep McDermott around.

 

Like honestly what do you think is going to happen, Pegula will shock the world and hire Hue Jackson? It isn't that complicated. The formula for hiring a head coach in the modern NFL has been established.

 

 

I'll admit Ben Johnson sways my opinion in this discussion. Knowing that he is likely available this offseason makes this an easy call IMO. Given such an attractive and obvious candidate, there would be overwhelming support for that hire from everybody Pegula consulted. So I think it is the exact right offseason for Pegula to make this move without us having to worry about him screwing it up.

 

If Ben Johnson ultimately fails as a head coach I can live with that. At least we'll have tried.

 

do you think it makes sense to rebuild again with a new coaching staff?  Burn 2-3 seasons changing out the roster to fit brand new schemes on offense and defense?    I waited too long for a truly competitive team.  Don't blow it up over a few sideways away games against top teams. 

[Niagara Dude]

8 hours ago, JTown said:

I don't know how people cannot see that he has already lost the team.  IMO he lost a good majority after the 13 second game.  Everything has continued to unravel since.  The dejected look on Josh's face when Diggs was allegedly screaming at him has never left.  I am certain Josh is more frustrated than anyone on the team.  He can't just go rogue and call his own plays.  I'm relatively certain that Diggs issue during OTAs was his displeasure with the way the offense was being run, but I think Josh convinced him they could make it work.  Get your popcorn ready because I think Diggs will eventually speak his mind.  Unfortunately,  it's  going to get a lot uglier.  Book it.

His buddy Beanne totally covered up 13 secs,  perhaps the biggest playoff meltdown ever.  Just tired of everyone taking the blame when things go wrong but McDermott.  This team lost games to the Jets/Jags/Pats,  all 3 games were games they should have won and team did not look prepared to play.  Even if they win 2 out of the 3 they are in a much better place.  The offensive play calling and decision not to use tempo is all on McDermott and his cavemen football thinking.  How many more wasted Allen years do we have to have before Mcdermott stans concede that it is time to move on and hire an offensive minded HC.