Deonte Harty Usage/Plan?

[SectionC3]

There is no plan.  It’s whatever happens on the moment.  Kind of like how a feral cat had no agenda and just does its thing.  That’s our offense.  
 

also, the defense is playing like hot garbage.  There’s a lot to like these days. 

[EmotionallyUnstable]

So was he a healthy scratch this week?

[TheFunPolice]

It's becoming a pattern here 

 

Guys get drafted/signed and almost never see the field 

[Freddie's Dead]

Sharty a healthy scratch. So glad we got rid of McKittrick....

[Airseven]

Harty is quintessential Beane. Perhaps the only player who could make me miss McKenzie.

[Dr.Sack]

Similar to Tyler Bass leg, Harty is now finished. He’s lost a step. 

[LABILLBACKER]

On 11/6/2023 at 1:42 PM, Chaos said:

If Harty was once fast or fast twitch, it is not obvious that is still the case.  Currently a guy like Zay Flowers is fast and fast twitch.  Harty seems to be small like Flowers, but having only NFL average WR speed and elusiveness 

Yeah, I'm not seeing fast twitch today but I have seen tape of him in 19-20 and it's there.  I think our future offensive HC will have to determine who stays and who goes between guys like Hines, Harty, Sherfield.  There's way too much wasted cap going on with this team.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

I would put him on a 'pay as you go' plan, and limit him to weeknight calling hours.  And an iPhone 12 is fine, he doesn't need any fancy newfangled models.

[MrEpsYtown]

They sold a whole story about him being a deep threat and a complete receiver and they just have not bothered using him that way. They are just using as a gadget guy which is just dumb and amounts to a huge waste of money. Now maybe he is terrible, but they haven't even tried to use him the way he was used in New Orleans. 

8 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said:

Sharty a healthy scratch. So glad we got rid of McKittrick....

 

Somehow Harty has actually outproduced McKittrick this year, albeit for a much bigger contract. 

[JohnNord]

1 minute ago, MrEpsYtown said:

They sold a whole story about him being a deep threat and a complete receiver and they just have not bothered using him that way. They are just using as a gadget guy which is just dumb and amounts to a huge waste of money. Now maybe he is terrible, but they haven't even tried to use him the way he was used in New Orleans. 

From what I’ve read Harty was damaged good.  Still had some juke to him but did not have the explosiveness he showed in New Orleans.  He also didn’t show the varied route running ability that he was believed to have shown in the past.  
 

I’m unsure if this is bad scouting by the front office or if the injury that took him out last year has limited his ability.  Either way with his contract, this was a bad signing 

[BBFL]

On 11/6/2023 at 4:42 PM, Chaos said:

If Harty was once fast or fast twitch, it is not obvious that is still the case.  Currently a guy like Zay Flowers is fast and fast twitch.  Harty seems to be small like Flowers, but having only NFL average WR speed and elusiveness 

I wonder if Flowers or Addison fell to 25 would we have traded up for Kincaid still, stand pat or trade up to 25 for one of those 2?

 

Both are having great starts to their career. Especially Addison. Dude crushed it as a #1 option for a rookie when Jefferson hit the injury list. 
 

Yeah, the speed that was being talked about with Harty definitely isn’t there. You’re right on the money with “average”. At least to me. 

[JohnNord]

On 11/6/2023 at 4:47 PM, JohnBonhamRocks said:

He should be our Lil Dirty Plus. 
 

Would love to get a Cole Beasley Plus (and that’s no knock on Kincaid who is just not in that mold).

Beasley was excellent at reading coverages and finding the right spot in the defense to get open.  Harty can’t do that 

[Freddie's Dead]

32 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Somehow Harty has actually outproduced McKittrick this year, albeit for a much bigger contract. 

 

If McKittrick was still on the Bills, where he historically averaged two FD's a game, he'd have 24, while Sharty has 7, Sherfield 1 after 12 games.  According to Spotrac, McKittrick is 1.2M, 5.4M for the Sh** twins.  4.5x the price for 1/3 the production.

Edited November 28, 2023 by Freddie's Dead

[JohnBonhamRocks]

19 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

Beasley was excellent at reading coverages and finding the right spot in the defense to get open.  Harty can’t do that 

Would love if this offseason sees JA17 getting a new Beasley. That Welker type who he can throw to in 2 seconds for an easy 5-6 yards 9/10 times due to separation and like you said that feel for soft spots.
 

Wish Harty were better used for his YAC ability. He looked shifty on the 2 (?) screens we threw to him this year.

[BBFL]

1 minute ago, Freddie's Dead said:

 

If McKittrick was still on the Bills, where he historically averaged two FD's a game, he'd have 24, while Sharty has 7, Sherfield 1 after 12 games.  According to Spotrac, McKittrick is 1.2M, 5.4M for the Sh** twins.  5x the price for 1/3 the production.

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[C.Biscuit97]

It’s hilarious how fans talk themselves into journeymen players every offseason. 

[colin]

for what we paid these two guys and some other wood, we coulda gotten street free agents and signed hopkins.

 

im fully on the fire mcd wagon (obv an epic turn around might make me grudgingly accept him) but the let beene loose trend is getting my attention more and more.

[DeltaDigital]

way to burn 9.5 million.

[PBF81]

It's quite possible that Harty, and Sherfield for that matter, were both overrated by everyone.  

 

Neither has done anything significant in the NFL to date in 11 combined seasons.  Neither appears to be on the cusp of doing so now, ... with Allen at QB.  

 

Understandably, when a player is signed there's enthusiasm, but there has to be a logical and real basis for it, which there isn't for either of these two.  

 

Both are getting paid more than Davis as well for the record.  Harty what, 2 years $10 or so.  

 

Harty had one good season, ... for a 4th WR or so, nothing more.  

 

In that season he had 3 TDs.  One was against a garbage team.  One was in extreme garbage time in a loss in the waning few minutes.  The third was in a blowout win in the mid-4th quarter putting the Saints up by 35.  No clutch TDs.  

 

On that team, his only good season, the WRs that he was competing for for playing time almost no one here even knows or can name.  None that were on the team for any length of time that season have ever done anything beyond WR4, WR3 tops, production in the NFL.  Several, and not for age related reasons, are not even in the league anymore.  

 

It's not difficult to log 570 yards and 3 TDs when you're one of two functional WRs on a team.  If that team had had a decent WR1 then Harty likely wouldn't have had that many yards.  To date in 2023, with a full third of the season remaining, 68 WRs have already posted 3 TDs, one of which doesn't even have 100 yards receiving, several more that don't have 200, a bunch we've never even heard of.  

 

So again, it's quite possible that the enthusiasm for Harty and Sherfield outpaced the reality when we signed them.  Understandably, nonetheless.  

 

 

Edited November 28, 2023 by PBF81

[FireChans]

7 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

It's quite possible that Harty, and Sherfield for that matter, were both overrated by everyone.  

 

Neither has done anything significant in the NFL to date in 11 combined seasons.  Neither appears to be on the cusp of doing so now, ... with Allen at QB.  

 

Understandably, when a player is signed there's enthusiasm, but there has to be a logical and real basis for it, which there isn't for either of these two.  

 

Both are getting paid more than Davis as well for the record.  Harty what, 2 years $10 or so.  

 

Harty had one good season, ... for a 4th WR or so, nothing more.  

 

In that season he had 3 TDs.  One was against a garbage team.  One was in extreme garbage time in a loss in the waning few minutes.  The third was in a blowout win in the mid-4th quarter putting the Saints up by 35.  No clutch TDs.  

 

On that team, his only good season, the WRs that he was competing for for playing time almost no one here even knows or can name.  None that were on the team for any length of time that season have ever done anything beyond WR4, WR3 tops, production in the NFL.  Several, and not for age related reasons, are not even in the league anymore.  

 

It's not difficult to log 570 yards and 3 TDs when you're one of two functional WRs on a team.  If that team had had a decent WR1 then Harty likely wouldn't have had that many yards.  To date in 2023, with a full third of the season remaining, 68 WRs have already posted 3 TDs, one of which doesn't even have 100 yards receiving, several more that don't have 200, a bunch we've never even heard of.  

 

So again, it's quite possible that the enthusiasm for Harty and Sherfield outpaced the reality when we signed them.  Understandably, nonetheless.  

 

 

Harty and Sherfield over DHOP may have costed everyone a job in the coaching tree and FO.