Hines injury...

[Hebert19]

I didn't think much of it at the time but damn that had an impact.  Harty and sherfield just don't have the same skillset.  

 

1.   Have we even tried a jet sweep or the motion of jet sweep this year.   That was a big part of the offense with daboll.  Hines was going to be the guy there.  

 

2.  Our return game is this.  OK.  Don't fumble.  That's it.  We saw shakir literally just fall down last week.  We fair catch everything.  This is am indictment of McDermott being so conservative too. 

 

This hurt this offense and special teams a lot in hindsight.  

[boyst]

McKenzie had some tools we could use. We just tried to use them too often.

 

His comments since leaving have been interesting. Especially last year and the play calls/routes. 

[LABILLBACKER]

2 minutes ago, Hebert19 said:

I didn't think much of it at the time but damn that had an impact.  Harty and sherfield just don't have the same skillset.  

 

1.   Have we even tried a jet sweep or the motion of jet sweep this year.   That was a big part of the offense with daboll.  Hines was going to be the guy there.  

 

2.  Our return game is this.  OK.  Don't fumble.  That's it.  We saw shakir literally just fall down last week.  We fair catch everything.  This is am indictment of McDermott being so conservative too. 

 

This hurt this offense and special teams a lot in hindsight.  

We have no return game.  Hines was grossly underutilized last year in the offense.  Now the same is happening to Harty/Sherfield. It's so unbelievably frustrating to see the cap $ that went to these 3 players, could've gone to a quality wr2.  Throw in the very few looks Cook & Shakir get and that's 5 offensive players not producing. 

[Mango]

I think we’d have to start throwing to our RB’s for me to even begin to consider Hines being a value add. 

[SoCal Deek]

Hey! We’re paying a lot of money for Harty to fair catch every punt! 

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

I think the Bills would be at exactly the same place they are today if they had Nyheim Hines.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, SoCal Deek said:

Hey! We’re paying a lot of money for Harty to fair catch every punt! 

I don’t understand why they signed him to a decent contract? 
 

I actually don’t want to know because I think the answer will anger me. I honestly believe they had a role for Harty but trashed it because they needed a return man.

[Steve O]

9 minutes ago, Hebert19 said:

I didn't think much of it at the time but damn that had an impact.  Harty and sherfield just don't have the same skillset.  

 

1.   Have we even tried a jet sweep or the motion of jet sweep this year.   That was a big part of the offense with daboll.  Hines was going to be the guy there.  

 

2.  Our return game is this.  OK.  Don't fumble.  That's it.  We saw shakir literally just fall down last week.  We fair catch everything.  This is am indictment of McDermott being so conservative too. 

 

This hurt this offense and special teams a lot in hindsight.  

Re #1 - Tried it 2 or 3 times that I recall, and every time the play was blown up. Understand why we've scrapped it.

Re #2 - Reminds me of what Wade Phillips said about Chris Watson..."He's more of a punt catcher."

[BuffaloRebound]

9 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

I think the Bills would be at exactly the same place they are today if they had Nyheim Hines.

Yeah.  not sure how a guy we barely used last year was gonna make any difference this year.  

[LabattBlue]

30 minutes ago, Hebert19 said:

I didn't think much of it at the time but damn that had an impact.  Harty and sherfield just don't have the same skillset.  

 

1.   Have we even tried a jet sweep or the motion of jet sweep this year.   That was a big part of the offense with daboll.  Hines was going to be the guy there.  

 

2.  Our return game is this.  OK.  Don't fumble.  That's it.  We saw shakir literally just fall down last week.  We fair catch everything.  This is am indictment of McDermott being so conservative too. 

 

This hurt this offense and special teams a lot in hindsight.  

What skill set of Hines are they missing? After being acquired last season, he was barely used except for returning kicks. 

[Hebert19]

31 minutes ago, Mango said:

I think we’d have to start throwing to our RB’s for me to even begin to consider Hines being a value add. 

This is on josh.  

[mrags]

27 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I don’t understand why they signed him to a decent contract? 
 

I actually don’t want to know because I think the answer will anger me. I honestly believe they had a role for Harty but trashed it because they needed a return man.

I think that is the biggest BS thought process ever. He only returns punts. You mean to tell me that the guy is spending all that extra time to fair catch 5 punts a game and can’t focus on being a receiver? It’s crap. He just isn’t good and never has been. It was a foolish signing that we never should have made. 

[LABILLBACKER]

I think this whole team got hit by a jetski.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

5 minutes ago, mrags said:

I think that is the biggest BS thought process ever. He only returns punts. You mean to tell me that the guy is spending all that extra time to fair catch 5 punts a game and can’t focus on being a receiver? It’s crap. He just isn’t good and never has been. It was a foolish signing that we never should have made. 

They didn’t sign him to return kicks. They signed him for a reason. 

[mrags]

Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said:

They didn’t sign him to return kicks. They signed him for a reason. 

Again. The amount of practice it takes to fair catch punts is pretty negligible. You could just tell him to do nothing but fair catch them and let them sail over his head if need be. And let him practice on offense. But something tells me that he’s useless on offense and they’ve realized that after seeing him for half a year now. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

3 minutes ago, mrags said:

Again. The amount of practice it takes to fair catch punts is pretty negligible. You could just tell him to do nothing but fair catch them and let them sail over his head if need be. And let him practice on offense. But something tells me that he’s useless on offense and they’ve realized that after seeing him for half a year now. 

So you think he’s stupid or something? They aren’t even playing him. He doesn’t know what to do?

 

They're making the decision not to play him during game planning. Week 1 it looked like they wanted to feature him and he didn’t do much. But that was week 1. Then never again.

 

 

 

 

[billsfan714]

I dont understand why we run him deep, not like hes gonna make a you got mossed highlight as he is vertically challenged.

[mrags]

19 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

So you think he’s stupid or something? They aren’t even playing him. He doesn’t know what to do?

 

They're making the decision not to play him during game planning. Week 1 it looked like they wanted to feature him and he didn’t do much. But that was week 1. Then never again.

 

 

 

 

He had 3 catches for 9 yards. If that’s not the biggest stretch of the use of the term “feature”, I don’t know what is. 
 

just face it. He’s not good. Can anyone that’s been arguing for him since we got him just finally admit that. It’s such a joke. Some of us have been saying he sucks since we signed him. Just admit it already. 
 

 

 

edit: and yes. I do think he’s stupid 

Edited November 6, 2023 by mrags

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, mrags said:

He had 3 catches for 9 yards. If that’s not the biggest stretch of the use of the term “feature”, I don’t know what is. 
 

just face it. He’s not good. Can anyone that’s been arguing for him since we got him just finally admit that. It’s such a joke. Some of us have been saying he sucks since we signed him. Just admit it already. 

You’re on a totally different conversation.

 

The Bills didn’t sit there and say this guy sucks let’s give him money to do nothing. They signed him before the Hines injury also. So what was their plan for him?

 

 

[C.Biscuit97]

The trade is an awful one.