Say you're Brandon Beane: what do you do with these three contracts?

[RG Murdock]

Forget about these guys who's contracts  have become complete albatrosses to the franchise. What do you do with the next albatrosses..... The Russeau and Epenesa contracts? Both have about 3-4 decent flash games a year, then totally dissapear from the stat sheet when needed the most. (Like now). Both their overall 4 year stats are totally unimpressive. Beane has also put the franchise in a bind by over-valueing these two. 

[Buffalo03]

43 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

No one's taking on Knox's contract for the mediocre play and give us a Draft pick for it. Even if we eat a bunch of the salary, the return that we would get would be less than a 4th. And in that case, we might as well keep him as TE2 and be rid of him after 1 more year.

 

I think with the way Knox has performed the past couple seasons, most teams would rather spend a Mid Round Pick to get a guy who has the potential to be better than him and have him under a cheaper Rookie deal for 4 years.

 

 

Both of them have an out after 2024. Before then, you're paying big money to not have them on the roster. Might as well keep them for 1 more season and have them be situational or backups and then be rid of them after that.

 

Miller has a 32.5 Million Dead Cap hit to release him after this season. He's also 1 of only 2 DE's we have under contract and 1 of 3 D-Lineman period who are under contract.

 

So why would we take that down to 1 DE and 2 DL total and pay money to do so? Even if you think he's washed, you keep him as a situational guy like Bruce later in his career.

 

Getting rid of them just for the sake of getting rid of them and putting us in a deeper hole to do so makes no sense. Ride it out for 1 more year and if neither are performing well, just don't feature them. In Knox's case, put him behind Kincaid. In Miller's case, if he never returns to form, put him behind Rousseau and (hopefully if we can re-sign him) Floyd.

 

 

Agreed. The only way Tre is back is if we release him and he comes back under a new contract. There isn't a restructure that can be done to his current deal that would make the gamble that he is at this point worth not freeing yourself of that deal.

I personally don't care what we do with Von. I don't think he's washed, I think he's going through the motions and collecting a paycheck. Which is the problem I have with him. But if he actually decides he wants to play and play well, I'm all for keeping him. I didn't even look up his contract situation. I just gave my opinion 

Edited November 7, 2023 by Buffalo03

[VW82]

These three don't concern me as much as the McBeane extensions. What the heck do we do with those? Pegulas are not going to eat them.

[LabattBlue]

49 minutes ago, peterpan said:

No talk of Poyer and Hyde? They’ll only be a year older and slower next years.

One will be replaced by Rapp, the other by a Day 1 or 2 pick. 

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

7 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Von Miller

Tre White

Dawson Knox

 

In my eyes, you can do one of three things:

 

1) Ride them out, be mediocre because you don't have any cap space to work with, pray to God you get some kind of production out of them

2) Burn them all after this season, eat the same cap ***** sandwich and emerge in a much healthier place in 2025

3) Cut two of three of them, triage-style, still eat the cap ***** sandwich and be better off in 2025

 

Are there any other options out there? I'm happy to hear them.

 

 

Can't get out of Dawson Know contract until 2025, he'd have a 26M+ cap hit if we cut him now and 20M+ dead cap hit next year so it wouldn't save us anything and we'd be losing 6M on that deal.

We could get out of the Tre White contract next year, he'd have a dead cap hit of 10M+ but save us about 6.3M

Also we won't be able to get out of the Von Miller contract until 2025, He'd have a dead cap of 40M+ if we cut him now and, 32M+ next year but in 2025 it goes down to a dead cap hit of 15M+ and we'd save about 8.4M.

So our best bet is to get the most of both Miller and Knox until then and see where White is after the season.

[DCofNC]

Tre is gone.

 

See if Knox will take a pay cut, he’s just not worth the price, with Kincaid here, his value is even lower to us.

 

Von, better hope he gets it going, if not, I’d designate him a post June 1 cut and be done w it.  It’s basically a wash if you do it that way.  Sucks to already the mistake out.   He’s a glaring weakness that’s getting too many reps for us at this point. 
 

This roster needs a hard reset.

[mjd1001]

If Kincaid is your #1 going forward, Knox is still a very good #2 TE. Are you overpaying him? Sure, but any cap hit you take isn't going to be worth getting rid of him.  Miller and White...yeah, not sure what can be done there but it looks like they are basically going to be non-factors for this team going forward.

[Drew21PA]

Positive that Kincaid is that good to make Knox expendable

 

i like Dawson a lot but Kincaid could be. 1000 yard tight end 

[Chaos]

If we are burning down the roster, is it time to change coaches too? 

[MJS]

We'll have to see with Von. He is not good right now, but maybe he will get better as he gets further away from the injury. He might be really good next year. Pass rushers age better than most positions.

 

I believe Tre White will be gone. He was never explosive anyway, and I imagine he will have lost a step. It's a real shame.

 

Knox was playing hurt. He is a decent player. I imagine he'll be back next year.

[Bob in STL]

8 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Miller was always a 3 year contract we were locked into. Thats why I said the ACL injury was a killer. Took 2 years of Von away while eating a lot of cap. It was a killer injury.

 

Knox we’re also stuck with. Another killer contract if they can’t get 12 personnel to work.

 

White can be released next year with some savings.

We are stuck with Knox, but if we happen to change OCs maybe the next guy can install a 12 that works. 

[strive_for_five_guy]

2 hours ago, peterpan said:

No talk of Poyer and Hyde? They’ll only be a year older and slower next years.

Hyde’s contract will be up, so I presume this is it for him here.  Wouldn’t surprise me if Benford is the eventual FS for this team.  Poyer will have a year left on his deal, but he’s been a step slower each passing year.  Haven’t seen anyone else on this team yet that I’d like taking on the SS role.

2 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

One will be replaced by Rapp, the other by a Day 1 or 2 pick. 

Not sure if I want them to re-sign Rapp.  Feel like I see him whiffing at a lot of tackles.

[Mister Defense]

10 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Miller was always a 3 year contract we were locked into. Thats why I said the ACL injury was a killer. Took 2 years of Von away while eating a lot of cap. It was a killer injury.

 

Knox we’re also stuck with. Another killer contract if they can’t get 12 personnel to work.

 

White can be released next year with some savings.

 

 

I said it at the time--getting a 33 year old linebacker, not an offensive linemen or end, a linebacker, who was 33 years old and being payed HUGE guaranteed money was the worst mistake of Beane's tenure. (Now that has been replaced by bringing back Dorsey this year, a problem that he owns with every game, and every day, he lets this stand.)

 

Miller was a showy splash play that went against their philosophy.

 

Bills could have used that money for a top notch receiver or corner or edge rusher--but not one considerably past his prime.

 

[SoonerBillsFan]

15 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Von Miller

Tre White

Dawson Knox

 

In my eyes, you can do one of three things:

 

1) Ride them out, be mediocre because you don't have any cap space to work with, pray to God you get some kind of production out of them

2) Burn them all after this season, eat the same cap ***** sandwich and emerge in a much healthier place in 2025

3) Cut two of three of them, triage-style, still eat the cap ***** sandwich and be better off in 2025

 

Are there any other options out there? I'm happy to hear them.

 

Eat all 3, it's time to purge the roster. Both Hyde and poyer need to go as well, and do NOT re-sign Gabe davis.

[Matt_In_NH]

People are writing Von off.  He is 11 months out from an acl.   With his age and then injury he could be done but we don’t k is that yet.  
 

 

Tre is done with the bills. 

If you can find a trade partner for Knox you could move in with a post 6/1 but that spreads out the dead cap over two years.   

[BBFL]

19 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said:

White is almost no brainer to cut.  It saves cap space.  Stuck with Miller and Knox for another year.  

So, logically, if they do cut White what is their replacement plan? Go after Jaylon Johnson on a similar contract as it was apparent from reports they were seriously interested in acquiring him during the trade deadline. 
 

If Sneed hits FA due to KC not offering him a new deal, which I doubt, you would like to think they make an attempt there also. SB winner, versatile in scheme and a gritty player. Win-win-win. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

11 hours ago, Chaos said:

If we are burning down the roster, is it time to change coaches too? 

ideally

 

[BearNorth]

21 hours ago, RobbRiddicksTDLeap said:

Tre White could be a great safety to replace Poyer/Hyde, with a serious restructure of his contract. 

Don't think Tre  is physical enough to play safety, and with an ACL and Achilles, probably not going to be as athletically gifted as he was.  Others on the board have suggested Douglas with his size may be a logical safety before long.  I think Hyde's injury yesterday means that Bills will be looking to replace both safeties.

[Billl]

On 11/7/2023 at 7:23 AM, BBFL said:

So, logically, if they do cut White what is their replacement plan? Go after Jaylon Johnson on a similar contract as it was apparent from reports they were seriously interested in acquiring him during the trade deadline. 
 

If Sneed hits FA due to KC not offering him a new deal, which I doubt, you would like to think they make an attempt there also. SB winner, versatile in scheme and a gritty player. Win-win-win. 

There's a really high chance that he does hit FA.  The Chiefs let Charvarious Ward walk two seasons ago because they couldn't afford to keep him, and Sneed is going to get a massive contract.  He's a top 10 CB in the league even though he never gets the recognition in the media.  He's very good in coverage, but he's elite in run support and blitzing from the slot.  Plus he can play the boundary reasonably well.

 

I'm not sure how the Chiefs will be able to afford him.  I guess it's possible that the league undervalues him as much as the media does and the massive offers don't come, but that's mostly wishful thinking on my part.

[BarleyNY]

On 11/6/2023 at 1:13 PM, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Von Miller

Tre White

Dawson Knox

 

In my eyes, you can do one of three things:

 

1) Ride them out, be mediocre because you don't have any cap space to work with, pray to God you get some kind of production out of them

2) Burn them all after this season, eat the same cap ***** sandwich and emerge in a much healthier place in 2025

3) Cut two of three of them, triage-style, still eat the cap ***** sandwich and be better off in 2025

 

Are there any other options out there? I'm happy to hear them.

 

 

Von Miller - TBD. He’s got this season to return to form. If he does, then he’s got another season here. If not, then I suck it up and designate him a 6/1 cut. (That’s the only reasonable way to do it at that time.)

 

Tre White - He’s a cut. Sorry, Tre. I love him as a player, but the odds of him returning to form and staying healthy are basically nil. He’d probably be a 6/1 designation as well (teams get 2). He’s got a roster bonus due just after the league year starts so it would be before then. 

 

Knox - Gotta ride this out. We need a TE who can play inline - which means blocking and catching the ball. We’ve got no one else who is capable at both so he stays. TEs who can do both reasonably well get paid well and that is what it is. (Kincaid is a big slot. Excellent receiver and horrible blocker so he isn’t a candidate for an inline role.)

Edited November 8, 2023 by BarleyNY