Say you're Brandon Beane: what do you do with these three contracts?

[Billever76]

1 hour ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Von Miller

Tre White

Dawson Knox

 

In my eyes, you can do one of three things:

 

1) Ride them out, be mediocre because you don't have any cap space to work with, pray to God you get some kind of production out of them

2) Burn them all after this season, eat the same cap ***** sandwich and emerge in a much healthier place in 2025

3) Cut two of three of them, triage-style, still eat the cap ***** sandwich and be better off in 2025

 

Are there any other options out there? I'm happy to hear them.

 

Best to eat the dead cap and cut them all....start over with an entire new staff and have a down year next year while the new staff further feels the needs of the team out..2025 we will be mostly out of cap hell and should have a top 10 pick for the new regime to build the team AROUND ALLEN with...Give allen a chance for the 2nd half of his career

[US Egg]

17 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

While it isnt the best possible value, looking at the entire list of TE contracts shows that Knox is pretty accurately paid.

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/contracts/sort-value/tight-end/limit-100/

 

The guys ahead of him are all much better. And the 4-5 guys right after him are making about as much but aren't nearly as good.

 

Hardly our worst contract.

Yeah, there's alot of well paid mediocrity at the position. Knox fits in with them. 

[McBean]

1 hour ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Von Miller

Tre White

Dawson Knox

 

In my eyes, you can do one of three things:

 

1) Ride them out, be mediocre because you don't have any cap space to work with, pray to God you get some kind of production out of them

2) Burn them all after this season, eat the same cap ***** sandwich and emerge in a much healthier place in 2025

3) Cut two of three of them, triage-style, still eat the cap ***** sandwich and be better off in 2025

 

Are there any other options out there? I'm happy to hear them.

 

Get rid of all 3.

 

Clean house. Full sweep.

 

If you’re going to keep mclappy then trade Allen and Diggs as well. Let’s go for the full on tank baby.

[Rc2catch]

I expect they give it one more go next year. Then I think the core of the team will change drastically 

[stinky finger]

1 hour ago, May Day 10 said:

Douglas could be an indication they may move on from White.

Bank on it

[TheyCallMeAndy]

37 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

High middle is still way too high for a blocking TE.  This team needs to keep Kincaid and find a way to get out of the Knox contract.  We perform better in the hurry up 11P anyways.  Tre & Knox need to go. We're stuck with Von's 3rd year.

A blocking TE? 🤦🏻

 

Knox had 97 catches, over 1100 yards, 15 TDs, and caught over 72% of his targets over 2021 and 2022.

 
I’m sorry he strained his quad and broke his wrist in 2023. 🤦🏻

[PBF81]

1 hour ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Von Miller

Tre White

Dawson Knox

 

In my eyes, you can do one of three things:

 

1) Ride them out, be mediocre because you don't have any cap space to work with, pray to God you get some kind of production out of them

2) Burn them all after this season, eat the same cap ***** sandwich and emerge in a much healthier place in 2025

3) Cut two of three of them, triage-style, still eat the cap ***** sandwich and be better off in 2025

 

Are there any other options out there? I'm happy to hear them.

 

 

That's his problem.  He created the mess, let him correct it.  Let's see what he can do to earn those multi-millions that Pegula pays him. 

 

Option 4, whose ship has sailed, is not to put yourself in a position to have to make such risky "win now" decisions, in the case of Von Miller, and in the case of Knox, if they had a plan, then again, it's far from evident with the overlaying of Knox with Kincaid.  That whole "12 personnel" thing also seems to have been poorly thought out.  I'd choose that option, Option 4.  That's since dropped off as stated.  

 

What I don't do is excuse the ridiculous nature of them besides White.  

 

Von Miller was a high-risk/high-reward contract, with known risks getting it.  Not least of all for a well past-prime player, and regardless of how good he was five seasons prior.  

 

Knox, ... LOL, I mean WTF.  They throw that kind of money at him and then work him out of the offense.  It might be capable of being dismissed if we hadn't done the same with Hines for example.  But then draft over him in the 1st round?  

 

It makes one wonder if McBeane are constantly shooting from the hip rather than attempting to implement some kind of plan based upon a well thought our and well reasoned out approach.  Many of us do not see such a plan or any evidence that one ever even existed.  ... oh wait, completely forgot about the completely undefined "Process."  I guess we're still in "Trust the Process" mode.  Like a broken watch, apparently it'll come through for us once over 20 seasons as long as we keep McD on and remain patient.  He'll figure things out after a while.  Things that other coaches figure out in a season or two.  Maybe the 8th time will be the charm next season.  LOL  

 

 

[Gregthekeg]

What happens if Von Miller retires? He talks about his legacy with the game and his pride in doing everything to help his team he can. If he sees that he is a shell of what he was, and it is hurting the team, and that is all everyone talks about this offseason, is there a chance he retires? 

 

If he does retire, how does that impact the cap? 

 

[dpberr]

21 minutes ago, Billl said:

He gets paid either way, though.  If his playing days are effectively over, why in the world would he want to take one dime less that’s he’s currently guaranteed?

 

I agree - the only leverage the Bills have (which I would use) is telling him he's no longer a starter on the Bills, and he'll be in spot duty, backing up younger players.  

 

I don't think he'd like that, and as a result, cut a deal to get out of Buffalo.  It's not the cleanest, honest way to do business.  

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, dpberr said:

 

 

I don't think he'd like that, and as a result, cut a deal to get out of Buffalo.  It's not the cleanest, honest way to do business.  

Don't care. They need to figure out a way to make that happen, he's dead weight at this point

 

[bouds]

Poyer/Hyde/White are probably all gone next year.  Knox gone after next season along with Von. Davis is out as well.  Mitch Morse may be gone.  Roster will look way different next year.

[RiotAct]

Geez, at this rate I’ll learn that we’re stuck with Von for the next decade before we can realistically cut him.  Lol

[Ga boy]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

We're stuck with Von and Knox, for better or worse.

 

Tre White, pay reduction or cut.

 

Take a machete to the rest of the defense and let Gabe Davis walk.  

It will be tough to let GD walk if he’s the SB MVP 😂

[LabattBlue]

2 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Von Miller

Tre White

Dawson Knox

 

In my eyes, you can do one of three things:

 

1) Ride them out, be mediocre because you don't have any cap space to work with, pray to God you get some kind of production out of them

2) Burn them all after this season, eat the same cap ***** sandwich and emerge in a much healthier place in 2025

3) Cut two of three of them, triage-style, still eat the cap ***** sandwich and be better off in 2025

 

Are there any other options out there? I'm happy to hear them.

 

I’d be glad to take the dead cap hit next year for Miller.  Cut White, and I am 50/50 on Knox.  2024 maybe a reset year, unless they kick Dorsey to the curb, and just try and outscore everyone. 

[FilthyBeast]

Moving on from White is a no brainer even if he wants to attempt to recover and play again it's not going to be with this team.

 

Miller you are probably stuck with unless he is will to restructure to essentially get paid to enable his release.

 

Knox I think you try to trade if you are fine getting a late round pick and a willing partner will take on that contract in return.

[mrags]

2 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Von Miller

Tre White

Dawson Knox

 

In my eyes, you can do one of three things:

 

1) Ride them out, be mediocre because you don't have any cap space to work with, pray to God you get some kind of production out of them

2) Burn them all after this season, eat the same cap ***** sandwich and emerge in a much healthier place in 2025

3) Cut two of three of them, triage-style, still eat the cap ***** sandwich and be better off in 2025

 

Are there any other options out there? I'm happy to hear them.

 

Tell white he needs to restructure and take a pay cut or he is gone. 
 

do the same thing with knox

 

Unfortunately asking Von to do the same likely isn’t going to happen in a million years. But ask him to restructure in a way that gives us some cap relief. If not, eat the cesp sandwhich for 2 more years. Maybe sign Epenesa or Floyd to a long term deal and just let them start and have Miller on the bench. That should piss him off enough to ask for a trade and at that point you tell him that with his contract what it is, he’s untradable. If he still doesn’t help out, let him sit on the bench unless someone gets hurt. 
 

all this means nothing if we have McDermott. Because if he’s here he will continue with his 19 man rotation at DL and Von will get his snaps 

[All_Pro_Bills]

14 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

Moving on from White is a no brainer even if he wants to attempt to recover and play again it's not going to be with this team.

 

Miller you are probably stuck with unless he is will to restructure to essentially get paid to enable his release.

 

Knox I think you try to trade if you are fine getting a late round pick and a willing partner will take on that contract in return.

These contract decisions and cap issues are going to require Beane to hit on the draft in 2024.  Get that WR we lack, find a run stuffer DT, and identify a RT replacement for Brown to name a few needs.  Add in 2 new safeties and McDermott is going to be forced to do something he's not done which is start younger players out of necessity.  No money will be available for any big name free agents.  Its going to younger drafted and undrafted players and a few veterans at the end of their careers for the minimum to fill out the roster.  But when you have your QB its a reload not a rebuild.   Get younger, faster, bigger, and let go of the process, because the process is broken.        

 

Given we're only at the halfway mark of the season I hate to give up on it but the hard facts are its going to be tough to get to 10/11 wins given the remaining schedule and the state of the team.  I think when the season ends the consensus is going to be this group was kept together one year longer than it should have been and the reload should have started this year instead of 2024. 

[dpberr]

1 hour ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Don't care. They need to figure out a way to make that happen, he's dead weight at this point

 

I don't either, but to be fair, it would have consequences when it comes to relationships with other players and agents.  

 

It may not be all that bad.  Yes, he'd be leaving a lot of money on the table, but from Miller's perspective, negotiating a way out of Buffalo allows him to pick another team, or simply joining the team of his choice come November of the 2024 season for a playoff run.  

 

This year is IT for this iteration of the squad.  That's why I'm disappointed with the season so far.  A lot of these guys aren't in Buffalo next year.

 

 

[JohnBonhamRocks]

Move on from Tre asap regardless. Love him but the best ability is availability.

 

Von at least see how he closes out this season. If he somehow turns it around then try to rework some terms with him. Otherwise move on from him asap. Again the best ability is availability.

 

Knox’s contract is bad but not as bad. It aligns with Kincaid being paid relative peanuts. If you look at total allocation of cap to the position compared to total talent at the position then I think it becomes more palatable. (Draft a WR in first two rounds this April and roll out designated pass catchers of Diggs, Kincaid, Rookie, and Knox, with Shakir/Harty/Sherfield platooning at WR3. Good weapons. Just need to actually use them.)

[Chandler#81]

1 hour ago, Billl said:

He gets paid either way, though.  If his playing days are effectively over, why in the world would he want to take one dime less that’s he’s currently guaranteed?

?? 🙄 Why are you hounding me for the answer? It happens regularly in the sport. Tre is no different from the hundreds of players who do this. 
 

Google NFL bylaws by yourself.