Say you're Brandon Beane: what do you do with these three contracts?

[TheyCallMeAndy]

1 minute ago, I am the egg man said:

Rewarding Knox with a top end TE contract for a flash in the pan season was a bit dubious. 

 

Did McBeane had visions of double TE granduer (Gronk/Hernandez) by drafting Kincaid ?

 

Whatever, it's looking like Kincaid has relegated Knox to being an overpaid blocking TE. 

 

 

   

 

Again, Knox contract isn’t top end. It’s high middle. 

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, I am the egg man said:

Rewarding Knox with a top end TE contract for a flash in the pan season was a bit dubious. 

 

Did McBeane had visions of double TE granduer (Gronk/Hernandez) by drafting Kincaid ?

 

Whatever, it's looking like Kincaid has relegated Knox to being an overpaid blocking TE. 

 

 

   

 

 

While it isnt the best possible value, looking at the entire list of TE contracts shows that Knox is pretty accurately paid.

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/contracts/sort-value/tight-end/limit-100/

 

The guys ahead of him are all much better. And the 4-5 guys right after him are making about as much but aren't nearly as good.

 

Hardly our worst contract.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

52 minutes ago, Process said:

Is this true on Von? When did we restructure to make it essentially a four year deal? And why?

 

I always thought it was three. Being stuck with him for two more years after this one would be brutal. 

 

 

 

His base salary this year is 1.5 so they definitely kicked the can.  It is not a 4 year deal at minimum.  The out is still there in 2025 - you just only get 8.4M in cap savings to cut him.  

 

You can't cut him next year as his base salary is fully guaranteed.  You can't trade him because 17.1M is a lot for a pass rusher that hasn't flashed since 2022 pre-injury.  

[DrDawkinstein]

3 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Again, Knox contract isn’t top end. It’s high middle. 

 

It's currently #7. I agree it isnt too crazy, but I'll feel better after another round of FA when it is out of the top 10.

[MPL]

Beane needs to approach next season the way he did in 2018: treat it like a rebuild and try to offload as much as possible. That means accepting 2024, and probably 2025, as true down years. If they do it right, they can be competing again with a largely new roster (and new coach) by 2026. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

27 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

This is one of the best takes I have read here... by keeping Knox at #1, the whole entire reason why you draft a guy like Kincaid that high is COMPLETELY LOST on McD and Dorsey... you have young TEs like Laporta and Hockenson destroying defenses and he relegate Kincaid to #2. It's CRIMINAL...

 

Sounds good except no idea if any of it's true.  What happened the first 6 games of the season doesn't mean it will continue when Knox returns.  Early on Kincaid struggled and still does though has seemed to improved with blocking compared to Knox so made sense to play Knox more early on.

 

20 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

Hockenson is still a young TE and is great... do you really think that Knox is great, on the level of Hockenson?

 

If Hockenson is so great, how come he got traded?  The Lions received a 2nd and 3rd, but gave up a 4th and 5th in the deal, not exactly the return I'd expect for a "great" player.  I looked this up recently, I believe every TE drafted prior to Knox that season has either been traded or cut. 

 

Hockenson is playing better than Knox, but he also was 1st round pick so should be.  Knox it the 9th highest paid TE, by next season likely will drop further.  Hockenson is #2 BTW making more than Kittle, Kelce, and Andrews

 

[RunTheBall]

They aren’t getting rid of Knox or Miller. Von isn’t even a year out from an ACL yet. So we are going to cut him, eat the cap hit, then he goes to another team healthy? That’s not happening.

 

Knox is a bit overpaid and undervalued here. I think once he’s healthy he could be a solid 1b TE going forward. His skill set is completely different than Kincaid’s and I think they compliment each other.

 

Unfortunately Tre is done. Love the guy, my heart breaks for what he’s had to endure but unless he takes a huge pay cut, he’s not coming back. Mentally IDK if he can bounce back from 2 season ending injuries not to mention he’s getting older and what those injuries do to his speed/athleticism

 

 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

It's currently #7. I agree it isnt too crazy, but I'll feel better after another round of FA when it is out of the top 10.

Dawson Knox is not the 7th highest paid TE this year, after FA next year he’ll be outside the top-10. 

[The Jokeman]

Meanwhile the Jets also have two TEs being paid in the top 32 positions (17th and 21st) respectively. I can't even tell you how many catches they have but I doubt it's less than Kincaid and Knox have combined. 

Edited November 6, 2023 by The Jokeman

[Alphadawg7]

None of these contracts matter if Dorsey is still the OC next year because this team is going no where with him at OC.  

[US Egg]

7 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Again, Knox contract isn’t top end. It’s high middle. 

NFL's highest paid tight ends in 2023 (average salary per year):

1. Giants TE Darren Waller: $17 million

2. 49ers TE George Kittle: $15 million

3.  Chiefs TE Travis Kelce: $14.3 million

4. Eagles TE Dallas Goedert: $14.25 million

5. Ravens TE Mark Andrews: $14 million

6. Jaguars TE Evan Engram: $13.75 million

7. Browns TE David Njoku: $13.68 million

8. Bills TE Dawson Knox: $13 million

 

I'd say lower top, but, I digress.

 

 

[LABILLBACKER]

8 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Again, Knox contract isn’t top end. It’s high middle. 

High middle is still way too high for a blocking TE.  This team needs to keep Kincaid and find a way to get out of the Knox contract.  We perform better in the hurry up 11P anyways.  Tre & Knox need to go. We're stuck with Von's 3rd year.

[BADOLBILZ]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

None of these contracts matter if Dorsey is still the OC next year because this team is going no where with him at OC.  

 

 

Yep Josh may soon be crossing the intersection of "f*ck around all offseason.........and find out what it's like to have to learn an entirely new offense".

 

Great QB's make bad OC's look good all the time.   Hopefully a change would be a wake-up call to QB1.   Dorsey was his hand picked choice because he didn't want to have to learn a new offense.   My guess, based on McD's fascination with outside zone run games, is McDermott would have hired a Shanahan disciple to replace Daboll if it weren't for Josh's input.   

[All_Pro_Bills]

4 minutes ago, QCity said:

 

A lot of people don't understand this.  Reinforcements aren't riding over the horizon next year.

AFC QB's w/2024 cap hits & UFA year & age when UFA

 

Allen $47M, UFA 2029, age 33

Mahomes $57.4, UFA 2032, age 39 (last 2 years can be voided)

Jackson $32.4M, UFA 2028, age 33

Borrow $29.7M, UFA 2033, age 37 (last 3 years can be voided)

Tagovailoa $23.2M, UFA 2025, age 27 (5th year option value)

Lawrence $11.7M, UFA 2026, age 27

Wilson $35.4M, UFA 2029, age 41

Watson $64M, UFA 2027, age 33, (last year can be voided)

Herbert $19.3M, UFA 2030, age 32

 

[Chandler#81]

1 hour ago, Virgil said:

Knox and Miller are too new to do anything with this offseason.  Any restructure will kick the can down the road.  White, unless there's an injury settlement, is being assumed to return.  

 

..being ASSUMED to return. A Cornerback with a repaired Achilles in THIS League? I don’t think so. Injury settlement. 
Try to trade Knox -even if we have to throw in a mid/late pick. Tolerate Von for another year.

1 minute ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

AFC QB's w/2024 cap hits & UFA year & age when UFA

 

Allen $47M, UFA 2029, age 33

Mahomes $57.4, UFA 2032, age 39 (last 2 years can be voided)

Jackson $32.4M, UFA 2028, age 33

Borrow $29.7M, UFA 2033, age 37 (last 3 years can be voided)

Tagovailoa $23.2M, UFA 2025, age 27 (5th year option value)

Lawrence $11.7M, UFA 2026, age 27

Wilson $35.4M, UFA 2029, age 41

Watson $64M, UFA 2027, age 33, (last year can be voided)

Herbert $19.3M, UFA 2030, age 32

 

Which Allen at $47M, age 33 are you referring to?

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 hour ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Von Miller

Tre White

Dawson Knox

 

In my eyes, you can do one of three things:

 

1) Ride them out, be mediocre because you don't have any cap space to work with, pray to God you get some kind of production out of them

2) Burn them all after this season, eat the same cap ***** sandwich and emerge in a much healthier place in 2025

3) Cut two of three of them, triage-style, still eat the cap ***** sandwich and be better off in 2025

 

Are there any other options out there? I'm happy to hear them.

 

 

Miller is here through next year. There won't be a trade partner, and it'd cost you cap space to release him.

Knox probably is too. I don't know the rules on his roster bonus - if that travels with a trade, maybe you could get a team to be interested him.  Acquiring team basically gets him at 1yr 9.9M and can probably spread that over 2 years?  I still don't know if there's a big market there.  

Tre - its tough to say - there is 6.3M in cap savings.  Assuming you have Benford, Douglas, Elam - Jackson is a UFA.  Knee and Achilles now, its tough to want to do much more of a commitment.  

 

Hines is on there for 5.5 so he's gone for sure.  

Harty saves you about 4M.  Since we don't use him at all i can't imagine why we pick that up.  

Neal saves you 3M.  

Morse saves you 8.5M.  

Poyer would save about 5.5M.  I doubt they go this route unless he becomes a pain again.  Hyde is a UFA.  

Gilliam saves about 2.  Seems like a lot but then you realize that a UDFA gets like 800K and you realize how little it does.  

 

Extending douglas even a year would lower his cap hit.  You can also release him for 0 dead money.  Considering what we gave up to get him i put this at 0% chance if he's healthy.  

Content to let poyers contract play out.  

[boyst]

57 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

But his hit is over $16M so it makes sense to cut him.

i think we can and he would be willing to rework his deal knowing how cautious he was prior. make his deal guaranteed over 2 years at a lower rate with 3rd year a good payout, 4th year voidable and premium with a target goal

[Billl]

5 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

..being ASSUMED to return. A Cornerback with a repaired Achilles in THIS League? I don’t think so. Injury settlement. 
Try to trade Knox -even if we have to throw in a mid/late pick. Tolerate Von for another year.

Why would White take an injury settlement?

[Chandler#81]

Cuz he’s finished.

Just now, Billl said:

Why would White take an injury settlement?

 

[Billl]

1 minute ago, Chandler#81 said:

Cuz he’s finished.

 

He gets paid either way, though.  If his playing days are effectively over, why in the world would he want to take one dime less that’s he’s currently guaranteed?