Say you're Brandon Beane: what do you do with these three contracts?

[ShakAttack]

Also, I do believe there will be at least one game this season down the stretch where Von Miller will make his mark and - for at least a week - it will seem like he is back, but with our current record and our remaining schedule there is also A very good chance that moment will be “too little, too late”

[Nephilim17]

Miller's contact now looking (post injury; he looked great last year and many of us thought he'd be a very good player for three years) really bad:

Dead cap: 

 

2024: $32,501,000    

2025: $15,417,000

2026: $9,043,000

Yikes. Looks like we're stuck with Von for at least two more years after this. Let's hope he keeps getting better in his recovery and can still be an impact player. Not saying he will, but that's the hope.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/von-miller-7717/

 

[billsfan714]

4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

But his hit is over $16M so it makes sense to cut him.

Or you could look at it as its 6 mill difference to keep a starting CB.

[EasternOHBillsFan]

1 minute ago, sven233 said:

Knox - Ah.....the contract that should have never been signed in the first place.  They didn't need to do it when they did it and now we're stuck paying a #2 TE premium money at the position for a while.  And he isn't even the best TE on this team.  But you watch......as soon as he comes back, the coaches will put him back as the #1 even if Kincaid continues his awesome production.  I think with this staff, even if Knox puts up 100+ every game will still play Knox more as soon as he's healthy.  They love the guy.

 

This is one of the best takes I have read here... by keeping Knox at #1, the whole entire reason why you draft a guy like Kincaid that high is COMPLETELY LOST on McD and Dorsey... you have young TEs like Laporta and Hockenson destroying defenses and he relegate Kincaid to #2. It's CRIMINAL...

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, Nephilim17 said:

Miller's contact now looking (post injury; he looked great last year and many of us thought he'd be a very good player for three years) really bad:

Dead cap: 

 

2024: $32,501,000    

2025: $15,417,000

2026: $9,043,000

Yikes. Looks like we're stuck with Von for at least two more years after this. Let's hope he keeps getting better in his recovery and can still be an impact player. Not saying he will, but that's the hope.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/von-miller-7717/

 

That's the sandwich.

 

I think they have to eat it. If they're paying it either way, I'd rather have a young guy in that spot who can actually contribute.

 

[billsfan714]

Im old but remember Jerry Rice coming back in the same season from an ACL(yes scored a TD and broke his kneecap in return game), Von on just short of 12 months and he cant register a solo tackle?  

[colin]

2 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

That's the sandwich.

 

I think they have to eat it. If they're paying it either way, I'd rather have a young guy in that spot who can actually contribute.

 

 

 

the first contract was 3y 51mm, 17 a year, same as chandy jones got.

 

the cap moves since really messed us up.

 

so, we had a thread about how montez sweat cost a second and got 24mm per year.  in all honestly, that was a much much better contract than what we did for von.

[dma0034]

So we will see about Von. He is still recovering from that ACL tear and may be decent next year. White is gone. I said it when the Bills signed Knox: terrible contract for an at best average TE. Beg the Pats to take him? Give them a 6th... they love TEs?

[uticaclub]

I don't want Beane or McDermott to be the one making the decision with these contracts, they got us in this mess someone else should get us out

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, billsfan714 said:

Im old but remember Jerry Rice coming back in the same season from an ACL(yes scored a TD and broke his kneecap in return game), Von on just short of 12 months and he cant register a solo tackle?  

 

I keep telling people he's washed.

 

Brandon Beane's career will likely die because of that error.

 

What a waste.

 

Just now, uticaclub said:

I don't want Beane or McDermott to be the one making the decision with these contracts, they got us in this mess someone else should get us out

 

Yes, well, that would be ideal. But I don't trust Pegula to pull the trigger. He's gutless.

 

[Low Positive]

5 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

This is one of the best takes I have read here... by keeping Knox at #1, the whole entire reason why you draft a guy like Kincaid that high is COMPLETELY LOST on McD and Dorsey... you have young TEs like Laporta and Hockenson destroying defenses and he relegate Kincaid to #2. It's CRIMINAL...

Hockenson was drafted in the same year as Knox.

[EasternOHBillsFan]

Just now, FrenchConnection said:

Hockenson was drafted in the same year as Knox.

 

Hockenson is still a young TE and is great... do you really think that Knox is great, on the level of Hockenson?

[Bray Wyatt]

What is the cap if we trade knox? Any different than a cut?

[All_Pro_Bills]

The Elephant in the room is Allen's cap hit goes from $18.6M this year to $47M in 2024 with the team projected to be over the cap by around ($41.9M) assuming an NFL team cap of $240M in 2024.  So where do you "save" $42M, sign your draft class, and maybe some low-level free agents?  Cutting Tre saves about $6M but finding the rest might be painful.  Miami is in the same boat over ($34.7M) with the Jets $14.4M under.

[Low Positive]

Just now, All_Pro_Bills said:

The Elephant in the room is Allen's cap hit goes from $18.6M this year to $47M in 2024 with the team projected to be over the cap by around ($41.9M) assuming an NFL team cap of $240M in 2024.  So where do you "save" $42M, sign your draft class, and maybe some low-level free agents?  Cutting Tre saves about $6M but finding the rest might be painful.  Miami is in the same boat over ($34.7M) with the Jets $14.4M under.

Miami is that far over without a QB contract.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

4 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

The Elephant in the room is Allen's cap hit goes from $18.6M this year to $47M in 2024 with the team projected to be over the cap by around ($41.9M) assuming an NFL team cap of $240M in 2024.  So where do you "save" $42M, sign your draft class, and maybe some low-level free agents?  Cutting Tre saves about $6M but finding the rest might be painful.  Miami is in the same boat over ($34.7M) with the Jets $14.4M under.

That's a whole other problem, I agree.

 

[QCity]

10 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

The Elephant in the room is Allen's cap hit goes from $18.6M this year to $47M in 2024 with the team projected to be over the cap by around ($41.9M) assuming an NFL team cap of $240M in 2024.  So where do you "save" $42M, sign your draft class, and maybe some low-level free agents?  Cutting Tre saves about $6M but finding the rest might be painful.  Miami is in the same boat over ($34.7M) with the Jets $14.4M under.

 

A lot of people don't understand this.  Reinforcements aren't riding over the horizon next year.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Tre has an opt out this summer that saves 6 mill but has a 10 mill dead cap. 
 

Von doesn’t have an out til 2025, huge dead cap makes it unlikely to be released. Retirement may be a legitimate storyline this summer.

 

Knox contact, while a high average, is only pricey next year then the team also has an opt out. I think it’s significantly more likely the team restructures his deal than releases him. 
 

So there you have it. Tre release/opt out/pay cut, Knox restructure, Von pray. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

44 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Before they just cut Tre outright, I think they discuss a restructuring to a level that would be more in line with his new market coming off injury,

 

With Knox, I think they consider his value in more than just being a pass catching TE, but his blocking ability too.

 

As for Von, depends his level of play by end of the season.  But they’re kind of screwed there no matter what.

 

Yeah think with Kincaid being the #1 TE Knox will become more of the blocking TE and chips out on blocks.  Early in the season Kincaid wasn't doing much, but now with the way he's playing, defenses will need to cover him good so could mean more opportunities for Knox slipping out of backfield.

 

Think the Bills ran it back one year too much. But can understand why they took the chance.  Last three seasons were one of 4 last teams standing, then final 8 but without 13 seconds should again have been final 4 with AFc title game in Buffalo, then again final 8, but with many things happened through the year (shooting, Kim P, 2 blizzards, and then Hamlin) so can understand why they took the chance made some moves to improve and for the most part ran it back.  Prior to the injuries on defense it appeared to be working.  Last year Poyer was looking a bit old, but could attribute some of that to missing his running mate Hyde.  In hindsight, that wasn't entirely the issue. 

 

To answer the original question, get rid or don't resign; White, Poyer, Hyde, Morse, Hines, Murray, Ford, Settle, Phillips, Davis, Norman, Jackson, Klein, Matakavich, & Shaq to name most.

 

I'd then try ans sign extensions with Douglas, Rapp, Jones, and AJ though not sure they will be able to afford him.

 

Get younger and cheaper, take a year to rebuild, by then Rodgers will likely be gone and Bengals, Ravens, Jets and Dolphins will all be in cap trouble.

 

 

[VaMilBill]

1 hour ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Von Miller

Tre White

Dawson Knox

 

In my eyes, you can do one of three things:

 

1) Ride them out, be mediocre because you don't have any cap space to work with, pray to God you get some kind of production out of them

2) Burn them all after this season, eat the same cap ***** sandwich and emerge in a much healthier place in 2025

3) Cut two of three of them, triage-style, still eat the cap ***** sandwich and be better off in 2025

 

Are there any other options out there? I'm happy to hear them.

 

I’d probably hold onto Tre and cut Knox and Von