Say you're Brandon Beane: what do you do with these three contracts?

[DrDawkinstein]

Marry: Tre White

Bang: Dawnson Knox

Kill: Von Miller

 

oh wait, what game are we playing?

[BuffaloBillyG]

Contrary to popular belief, the Bills could really open a lot of Salary next year. Yes, they are deep in the red right now for next year. But I expect to see several cap casualties in the off season no matter how this year plays out. Nyheim Hines would save about 5M. Morse is possibly in his last year here. That 8M-ish. I believe Rasul Douglas will get re-signed if he shows well and that may lower his cap. Then you have the "usual moves". Restructure Allen for 25M-ish. And there are others. And just mentioning (NOT ADVOCATING FOR THE MOVE) a post June 1st trade of Stefon Diggs leaves nearly 9M in dead cap...but also clears 19M in space and the expected FA WR class looks stacked at the moment.

 

I think we need a nice re-tool. Lots of directions for Beane to go. 

[QCity]

Stuck with Miller for one more year. Even when we cut him after 2024 it's a massive dead cap hit of $9M for the 2025 and 2026. Brutal. Same thing with Knox, we are stuck with him for 2024 essentially. 

 

Hate to say it but Tre is likely gone this offseason. Can't justify his $16M cap hit compared to saving $10M if he's cut.

 

The scary thing is (thanks to the restructures) Von only counts $8M towards our cap this year, next year he will count $24M towards the cap and there's not much Beane can do about it now.

[billsfan714]

Miller still has 15 million in dead money in 2025, that's in year 4 of his contract.    White has 10 million in dead money if we cut him next year.   Were stuck with Knox for 24 and 25, 14-15 million for a 15-25 yard a game guy.   Beane turning into Mickey Loomis.

Edited November 6, 2023 by billsfan714

[Trust The Process]

Release Von, Tre, Knox, Harty, Hines, Morse, and Taron Johnson. Swallow the cap hit in 2024 and replace them with young affordable players. Addition by subtraction.

Edited November 6, 2023 by Trust The Process

[Mikie2times]

2 minutes ago, QCity said:

Stuck with Miller for one more year. Even when we cut him after 2024 it's a massive dead cap hit of $9M for the 2025 and 2026. Brutal. Same thing with Knox, we are stuck with him for 2024 essentially. 

 

Hate to say it but Tre is likely gone this offseason. Can't justify his $16M cap hit compared to saving $10M if he's cut.

 

The scary thing is (thanks to the restructures) Von only counts $8M towards our cap this year, next year he will count $24M towards the cap and there's not much Beane can do about it now.

Did Beane consult with you before he did this? It doesn't seem like he did. 

[Bruffalo]

Knox could still be decent.  I'm not going to rule out him until he looks bad after Dorsey is gone, because he looked like a decent red zone threat under Daboll. 

[Success]

1 minute ago, Bruffalo said:

Knox could still be decent.  I'm not going to rule out him until he looks bad after Dorsey is gone, because he looked like a decent red zone threat under Daboll. 

 

We missed Knox yesterday.

 

He is both a bit overpaid, and also underrated (on here).  Cincy has a tougher time covering TE's, and he probably would have given us a boost yesterday.

[SCBills]

We're stuck with Von and Knox, for better or worse.

 

Tre White, pay reduction or cut.

 

Take a machete to the rest of the defense and let Gabe Davis walk.  

[EasternOHBillsFan]

34 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Von Miller

Tre White

Dawson Knox

 

In my eyes, you can do one of three things:

 

1) Ride them out, be mediocre because you don't have any cap space to work with, pray to God you get some kind of production out of them

2) Burn them all after this season, eat the same cap ***** sandwich and emerge in a much healthier place in 2025

3) Cut two of three of them, triage-style, still eat the cap ***** sandwich and be better off in 2025

 

Are there any other options out there? I'm happy to hear them.

 

 

Frankly it's time to blow it up... there is no way we can carry any of these players now. The media is right for a change... we missed our window and now we're sliding down the slope. You FORGOT Gabe Davis... time to move on from Mr. Invisible.

 

However...

 

All of this is moot if Dorsey and McD remain... they both have a lot to answer for. I saw last night the same problems that have plagued this team for a LONG time. If we make these major personnel moves then we must make staff changes as well.

Edited November 6, 2023 by EasternOHBillsFan

[Airseven]

White is done as a Bill. Miller is back next season due to the contract and cut after next season. I doubt Knox is going anywhere - perhaps a restructure.

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

12 minutes ago, Process said:

Is this true on Von? When did we restructure to make it essentially a four year deal? And why?

 

I always thought it was three. Being stuck with him for two more years after this one would be brutal. 

 

 

It's true if you consider $15M a dead cap hit that you can't afford to take. That will be the cost after next year.

[DrDawkinstein]

8 minutes ago, billsfan714 said:

Miller still has 15 million in dead money in 2025, that's in year 4 of his contract.    White has 10 million in dead money if we cut him next year.   Were stuck with Knox for 24 and 25, 14-15 million for a 15-25 yard a game guy.   Beane turning into Mickey Loomis.

 

But his hit is over $16M so it makes sense to cut him.

[RobbRiddicksTDLeap]

Hopefully Miller does the right thing, and retires. I know that doesn’t exactly fix his cap situation. He’s stealing money from the Bills. Same with Knox. Tre White could be a great safety to replace Poyer/Hyde, with a serious restructure of his contract. 

Edited November 6, 2023 by RobbRiddicksTDLeap

[US Egg]

Say you're Brandon Beane: what do you do with these three contracts?

 

 

[ShakAttack]

On the bright side, there’s a better chance Miller will be more productive next year than this year, despite his age, based on the fact he is still a freak athlete, but Bills fans have unfortunately learned as well as anyone how difficult it is to come back from ACL injuries. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

13 minutes ago, Process said:

Is this true on Von? When did we restructure to make it essentially a four year deal? And why?

 

I always thought it was three. Being stuck with him for two more years after this one would be brutal. 

 

 

That guy is a cap specialist but I’m pretty sure they’ll save about $8 million cutting Von after year 3.

 

Still a ton of dead cap but they’ll save.

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

5 minutes ago, Process said:

Is this true on Von? When did we restructure to make it essentially a four year deal? And why?

 

I always thought it was three. Being stuck with him for two more years after this one would be brutal. 

 

 

 

Still a 3 year contract. It goes from catastrophic dead cap in the first 3 years to a 'workable' 15mm in year 4 for cutting him. Man does that deal look bad in hindsight. 

 

Knox and Miller have workable dead cap next season if we manage to trade them post June 1st. Can't imagine there's a market for them though. They've both been bad enough this year you might consider giving up assets for another team to take them on. 

 

Based on McBeane's history I think they're most likely to just ride them out next season. 

[sven233]

Von - Stuck with it for at least 3 years.  Just hope he returns to form.  I'm not giving up on him like many here are.

 

Tre - As much as I like the guy and want him to be a Bill forever. his body has kind of betrayed him and I don't think he can ever get back to the player he once was.  You can save quite a bit by letting him go, so, unfortunately, business is business.  See what his market is when he comes back and if nobody wants to pay him, maybe you could get him back at a discount.  Wouldn't count on that, though.

 

Knox - Ah.....the contract that should have never been signed in the first place.  They didn't need to do it when they did it and now we're stuck paying a #2 TE premium money at the position for a while.  And he isn't even the best TE on this team.  But you watch......as soon as he comes back, the coaches will put him back as the #1 even if Kincaid continues his awesome production.  I think with this staff, even if Kincaid puts up 100+ every game will still play Knox more as soon as he's healthy.  They love the guy.

Edited November 6, 2023 by sven233

[colin]

von they stay with until they don't ahve to

 

tre is gone

 

knox has a chance to earn his spot back