Why does Josh hesitate now?

[Low Positive]

14 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

He is trying to figure out how to pick the lock on the fly post-snap.  He is not doing the work leading up to the games and pre-snap so he has to find solutions during live fire.  It may be generational - perhaps after 13 Seconds he decided he wasn’t getting the immediate result so why bother.

He didn't have the coaching at a young age to learn this stuff. Look who Joe Burrow's dad is. You think that helps?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Burrow

[Nuncha]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Bingo.

Doesn't matter who ran it there is simply no surprise element to this offense at all.

[colin]

this is all coaching.

 

if you want a player to make better pre snap reads, you coach him on that and call plays that support that.

 

for some reason, our offense thinks we should throw deep balls.  short, not fast, not strong handed guys running around with little separation is not a great recipe for low % throws.

 

what really makes me want to run the front office out of town on rails is how just stupid this is.  we spend money on harty, hines, sherf, a full back, knox, and aging vets on D, but we insist on running this o that has our qb dropping low % bombs on 3rd and long while trailing.  if we are gonna do that, why did we not put some of the harty/hines/whatever money for players we might actually use?  hopkins coulda been signed for some of these losers' salary, and him streaking outside the numbers is a scary sight for opponents.

 

instead it's pizza finger davis and harty, the fastest kid in 4th grade, streaking while covered getting the bombs.

 

there is no organization or reasoning to how this team is constructed, now how the plays are called or how the players are coached.

[BananaB]

1 minute ago, Dillenger4 said:

This narrative is just plain silly. We have Diggs, Kincaid, Shakir is a weapon. Even Cook was open for short dump screens last night and Josh looks the other way. I know we don't have the "best" receivers in the AFC but c'mon - we have capable guys who have proved it already.

I watched the game too and I see a QB who doesn't understand the "full" play called as in he doesn't look at his escape options - ever.

Also, the plays being called are pop warner. Defenses can cover us now.

He’s had inconsistent play at WR for a year and half now. It’s obvious he doesn’t fully trust a few guys or he doesn’t trust the position Dorsey is putting them in. 

[BillsVet]

6 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

He looks like late-stage Big Ben out there trying to figure things out amid a collapsing pocket.

 

I think @BADOLBILZ pointed out years ago when Antonio Brown was throwing fits (before he went really cuckoo) that he had issues with Roethlisberger's prep entering the season.  Brown was working out hard to be ready and didn't see it from the QB.

 

The Diggs flare-up in June seems like that.  Josh isn't prepared like a top-end NFL QB should be with justification that he doesn't need as much prep because teams play him different than other QB's.  Not ideal.  

[Boatdrinks]

Poor scheme , poor design, poor execution. Offense is a complete mess at this point. 

[zow2]

1 minute ago, FrenchConnection said:

He didn't have the coaching at a young age to learn this stuff. Look who Joe Burrow's dad is. You think that helps?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Burrow

 

A couple weeks ago there was a story mentioned on ESPN about Joe Burrow's parents being in Cincinnati between games and calling Joe for a visit.  He reportedly turned them down and said he didn't have time and needed to concentrate on the upcoming game.  So he blew his parents off.  That's a douchey move imo.  Seeing the link made me thing of that!  ESPN made it sound like Joe is so laser focused on football and wanting to be the best, that's all.

[Mrbojanglezs]

We are seeing the downside of having a defensive minded head coach. 

[Low Positive]

1 minute ago, zow2 said:

 

A couple weeks ago there was a story mentioned on ESPN about Joe Burrow's parents being in Cincinnati between games and calling Joe for a visit.  He reportedly turned them down and said he didn't have time and needed to concentrate on the upcoming game.  So he blew his parents off.  That's a douchey move imo.  Seeing the link made me thing of that!  ESPN made it sound like Joe is so laser focused on football and wanting to be the best, that's all.

His dad probably could have helped him break down the film. 

[BuffaloRebound]

I’m not one to over react to a couple clips the camera catches, but the blank stares into the abyss instead of looking at the tablet and talking with your coaches and backup QB trying to figure it out on sideline is kinda concerning.  

[Lagoon Blues]

Some, some similarities to watching 90s packers...We have a more athletic Favre...if you make him scared to throw pics you lose some of that magic...which turns into a self feeding cycle(hesitates, throws them anyways).  This will never be a dynasty.  But, when the right elements come together and get on a roll they will probably win one before his career is done.  Need to accept the 10 year career and use him as such and not use him poorly and hoping for a 20 year career.  Just my 2c.

Edited November 6, 2023 by Lagoon Blues

[Brand J]

Josh needs to become a more cerebral QB. We’ve all been saying this for awhile now, but at this point I don’t know if it happens. 

[Mikie2times]

23 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I don’t know. Josh looks the same to me. Looked like the same game I watched last year vs Cincinnati. 

I was commenting on this stuff prior to the year starting. It's not new. Josh is a "see it" QB. He's not a timing or rhythm QB. He has appeared at times in the past to be this type of player. This is where Dorsey comes along. I feel Dabs simplified Josh's progressions.  He ran more pre snap motion to signal what a defense was doing. His whole philosophy was to build around what Josh does well. Dorsey just expects Josh to execute. Perhaps that's not an unreasonable ask for a franchise QB, but you can see the results. 

[finn]

My impression is that the offense Dorsey is running is good, even very good, but it simply does not match the quarterback he has. You see Allen doing his best Brady impression, trying to read the defense, waiting, waiting, then getting sacked, throwing an interception, or saying "Screw this stupid play, I'm making something else happen."

 

Neither Dorsey nor McDermott seem to get that Allen thrives on chaos. He's at his best outside the pocket, his receivers breaking off their routes to get open. Imagine an OC (and head coach) who worked with these traits rather than against them. There's potential for a revolutionary offense. Instead, you have Dorsey and McDermott trying to make Allen into Tom Brady. 

[JohnnyBuffalo]

28 minutes ago, Ramza86 said:

Bengals mixed Josh up really well. 

 

But the worst part was that the bengals entire D line would penetrate regardless of how many rushers it send.

 

I saw them rush 3 a handful of times and all 3 would get to the QB everytime.

 

Disgusting.

The lack of an offensive line that can pass block consistently is egregious add the fact that they can’t run the ball and what you have is worse and I don’t have a word for that!

 

Forget flashy d lineman who can’t get home.  
Forget the diva WR/TE who drops the ball at the only moment that matters.  
Forget the RB who mimes feed me the ball only to fumble at the goal line.  
 

Give me an O line than lines up with 4th and 1 And everyone knows the QB sneak is coming and runs it anyway!!!
Give me an O line that doesn’t need “help” when they send 5!!!!

 

With an offensive line Josh picks teams apart with the combination of his legs and arm!   Stop with all this other stuff already.  

[Dillenger4]

10 minutes ago, BananaB said:

He’s had inconsistent play at WR for a year and half now. It’s obvious he doesn’t fully trust a few guys or he doesn’t trust the position Dorsey is putting them in. 

I agree - I think it's the position Dorsey is putting them in. We have all seen Josh play amazing. We have all seen what Kincaid can do and now Shakir too. They are both very good and catch the ball! Diggs is Diggs. We have the weapons.

That tells me it's either Dorsey orrrr Josh isn't who we think he is. I think it's the OC.

[LanderPoke]

O line is the worst in the league. Nothing more

And just for the record, Josh is fourth in the league in passing yards, 2nd in passing TDs and first in total TDs. Not sure what some of you expect from your QB

Edited November 6, 2023 by LanderPoke

[Roundybout]

Dorsey’s offense is hysterically predictable. The Pats defense came out and said it. They prepped for a certain play and Dorsey ran that exact one with no change ups at all.

[JohnnyBuffalo]

6 minutes ago, Dillenger4 said:

I agree - I think it's the position Dorsey is putting them in. We have all seen Josh play amazing. We have all seen what Kincaid can do and now Shakir too. They are both very good and catch the ball! Diggs is Diggs. We have the weapons.

That tells me it's either Dorsey orrrr Josh isn't who we think he is. I think it's the OC.

You dislike the idea of an upgraded O line that can block for Josh when they rush only 3 in favor of simply replacing the offensive coordinator?  
 

That’s your solution?

[Roundybout]

9 minutes ago, finn said:

My impression is that the offense Dorsey is running is good, even very good, but it simply does not match the quarterback he has. You see Allen doing his best Brady impression, trying to read the defense, waiting, waiting, then getting sacked, throwing an interception, or saying "Screw this stupid play, I'm making something else happen."

 

Neither Dorsey nor McDermott seem to get that Allen thrives on chaos. He's at his best outside the pocket, his receivers breaking off their routes to get open. Imagine an OC (and head coach) who worked with these traits rather than against them. There's potential for a revolutionary offense. Instead, you have Dorsey and McDermott trying to make Allen into Tom Brady. 

Name one thing this offense does that is very good.