McDermott or Dorsey?

[BillsfaninCT]

I've been saying to fire the OC, seems like we need to fire the HC because he doesn't know the problem is his OC

[Chaos]

last night McDermott had dementia level blunders. The punt rather than a Hail Mary at the end of the first half and the pointless wasted challenge.  He is wasting time outs on a regular basis this season. He also seemed befuddled during the sideline interview last night. He may very well be burned out altogether.  

[mrags]

Can we just fire both? 

[BananaB]

When is McDs press conference? Normally listen to him when I get home from work but today I’ve been waiting

[LarryMadman]

19 hours ago, Mango said:

I still expect a wild card. I believe there’s enough talent in offense, and enough veterans who have been here for years to clean up enough of the execution issues to get into the playoffs. 
 

Dorsey can go. But the core of the offense is the same. Dorsey is reasonably similar to Daboll. But the guys have to be better too. They aren’t a young team anymore. 

I too believe there is plenty of talent on this team, it's the inept coaching holding them back. Playoffs, who knows, it's a crap shoot at this point.

Edited November 7, 2023 by LarryMadman

[DC Greg]

Posted in another thread too but... I think everything starts with the example the head coach sets. He seems like a great person, and I know he works as hard as anyone. But he's worked himself into a ball of nerves. He doesn't coach with confidence, and I think his timid "trying not to lose" attitude pervades every part of the team: players, coordinators, and assistant coaches. It's gotten worse over the past few years. 

 

His deer-in-headlights in-game decisions (random defensive timeouts, decisions to waste timeouts on foolish challenges, etc) are so bad they're obvious to even casual fans, but I bet his nervous mindset is manifesting itself in many other ways that we can't see. He looks visibly pained and shaken on gameday, and the players are absolutely going to see and feel that total lack of confidence. You can't keep up a facade in a position of leadership as demanding as an NFL head coach where you need to be the balls. Dorsey is just a symptom of the larger McDermott failure IMO.

[LABILLBACKER]

2 minutes ago, DC Greg said:

Posted in another thread too but... I think everything starts with the example the head coach sets. He seems like a great person, and I know he works as hard as anyone. But he's worked himself into a ball of nerves. He doesn't coach with confidence, and I think his timid "trying not to lose" attitude pervades every part of the team: players, coordinators, and assistant coaches. It's gotten worse over the past few years. 

 

His deer-in-headlights in-game decisions (random defensive timeouts, decisions to waste timeouts on foolish challenges, etc) are so bad they're obvious to even casual fans, but I bet his nervous mindset is manifesting itself in many other ways that we can't see. He looks visibly pained and shaken on gameday, and the players are absolutely going to see and feel that total lack of confidence. You can't keep up a facade in a position of leadership as demanding as an NFL head coach where you need to be the balls. Dorsey is just a symptom of the larger McDermott failure IMO.

Dorsey is for sure a failed OC, but guess what....Sean hired him just like Farwell and Frazier.  He's officially run out of scapegoats. This is his cooking. And he's the one who insisted on all the defensive groceries.

[mrags]

13 minutes ago, BananaB said:

When is McDs press conference? Normally listen to him when I get home from work but today I’ve been waiting

Yeah. He hasn’t taken the podium yet. He’s probably rehearsing his lines. 
 

-trust the process

 

-need to be better

 

-we aren’t playing complimentary football

 

-it starts with me

 

-I don’t know why xxxxx happened 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Problem is I don’t think there is a McDermott replacement out there. The Josh Allen factor will open lots of HC candidates.

 

That said, minus a losing record, I think the odds the Bills fire McDermott are very low. 
 

Odds they fire Dorsey is probably higher than most realize. Bills will likely be able to hire whatever candidate they want at OC. 

[LABILLBACKER]

8 minutes ago, mrags said:

Yeah. He hasn’t taken the podium yet. He’s probably rehearsing his lines. 
 

-trust the process

 

-need to be better

 

-we aren’t playing complimentary football

 

-it starts with me

 

-I don’t know why xxxxx happened 

...."stay humble and hungry"....I've never seen a guy resort to so many ridiculous slogans that amount to a big nothing burger.

[OZBILLS]

Have to fire both. Clean the entire lot out. Beane can go too

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

35 minutes ago, Chaos said:

last night McDermott had dementia level blunders. The punt rather than a Hail Mary at the end of the first half and the pointless wasted challenge.  He is wasting time outs on a regular basis this season. He also seemed befuddled during the sideline interview last night. He may very well be burned out altogether.  

 

Honestly with the timeout there why not just call it at 1 and kick? Probably miss but like... we just let the clock run out?  What was that?

 

Challenge was bad... there just wasn't enough value in it even though he probably caught it.  

[LABILLBACKER]

7 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Problem is I don’t think there is a McDermott replacement out there. The Josh Allen factor will open lots of HC candidates.

 

That said, minus a losing record, I think the odds the Bills fire McDermott are very low. 
 

Odds they fire Dorsey is probably higher than most realize. Bills will likely be able to hire whatever candidate they want at OC. 

They could easily have first crack at Ben Johnson, who I think would immediately turn Josh around.  Ben would also emphasize improving the OL and our WR2 situation.  If we F this up and simply fire KD as Sean's 4th scapegoat it will be rinse & repeat.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

2 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

...."stay humble and hungry"....I've never seen a guy resort to so many ridiculous slogans that amount to a big nothing burger.

People seriously need to stop looking to PCs for answers. You REALLY think the things said at the podium are the same things said in private meetings? Come on. 

Just now, LABILLBACKER said:

They could easily have first crack at Ben Johnson, who I think would immediately turn Josh around.  Ben would also emphasize improving the OL and our WR2 situation.  If we F this up and simply fire KD as Sean's 4th scapegoat it will be rinse & repeat.

I get it, but I think hiring a 1st time OC to HC would be a massive gamble that historically isn’t worth taking. 

[BillsPride12]

51 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

People seriously need to stop looking to PCs for answers. You REALLY think the things said at the podium are the same things said in private meetings? Come on. 

I get it, but I think hiring a 1st time OC to HC would be a massive gamble that historically isn’t worth taking. 

I agree but at this point the same old cliches and slogans are insulting to the fans.  You don't have to get into the depths of what is wrong with your schemes and concepts but give us something.  That's one thing I can honestly say I like about Don Granato, he is much more informative and willing to dive into topics at his press conference's than McDermott is.  

[Charles Romes]

McDs throwing Dorsey under the bus at the halftime and post game interviews was cringeworthy. Total lack of leadership.  That’s why he’s lost the team. 

Edited November 6, 2023 by Charles Romes

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said:

...."stay humble and hungry"....I've never seen a guy resort to so many ridiculous slogans that amount to a big nothing burger.

"get in rythmn"

5 minutes ago, Charles Romes said:

McDs throwing Dorsey under the bus at the halftime and post game interviews was cringeworthy. Total lack of leadership.  That’s why he’s lost the team. 

I agree he has lost the team. It's been heading that way since 13 secs. An unpardonable error.

[Turk71]

2 hours ago, Chaos said:

last night McDermott had dementia level blunders. The punt rather than a Hail Mary at the end of the first half and the pointless wasted challenge.  He is wasting time outs on a regular basis this season. He also seemed befuddled during the sideline interview last night. He may very well be burned out altogether.  

He's not very smart unfortunately. The punt at the end of the half was mindnumbingly stupid. On top of the dumb decision not to Hail Mary, even though the clock was started before the play and time would expire before the play clock, he was actually going to punt the ball. Fortunately he didn't get the ball snapped before time ran out. He is simply not smart enough to be an NFL head coach. The close-up of his embarrassed, flustered and confused face after he lost the ill-advised challenge said it all.

[Maynard]

18 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

8-9 will definitely get McDermott fired and thank the Lord.  Bring on Ben Johnson for Josh.

I hope you’re correct! I have zero faith in Terry pulling that trigger. Kim yes, Terry no. 

[UKBillFan]

I'd prefer to get rid of McDermott, but the issue is he is both HC or DC. I'm getting to the point where I wouldn't mind Frasier coming back for the rest of the season and hiring an offensive minded HC to help Dorsey. If there are no signs of improvement from the OC under the new set up, move him on in the post season.