McDermott or Dorsey?

[Boatdrinks]

They’re intertwined. I’m not sure if it’s Dorsey who wants to keep the reins on Josh for large stretches of games or if he’s just following orders. I think it might be the latter. McD is conservative to a fault, and I don’t think he always got along with Daboll- who seemed like he didn’t care if the Bills offense ever gave the ball to an RB. 

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

25 minutes ago, damj said:

The struggling offense,  so you think it's McDermott or Dorsey?

 

Personally, I blame McDermott.  I have no idea if Dorsey is good enough... but I think McDermott keeper hammering to Doresy to play conservative.... McDermott tried that with Dorsey, but he had enough balls to ignore McDermott and run the offense to Josh's strengths.

 

Now,  I think McDermott drills into Dorsey and Josh's head to not make a mistake, stay in the pocket,  don't and don't improvise which is what Josh excels at. By the 4th quarter when we're down by 2 scores,  they take the reins off and let Josh play his game

 

You think the defensive HC with Josh Allen is telling the OC to play conservative? You really think this?

[UKBillFan]

16 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Why the ***** would McDermott care about Dorsey playcalling aggressive? Did we not see the offenses that he greenlit the last 3 seasons?

Because I think he’s trying to protect the battered defense by asking the offense to pick up the TOP. The mindset needs to change; if the Bills need to win a shootout the fine. The offense is the supposed strength; let them play to their peak.

[BillMafia716ix]

Dorsey and the scheme is the problem. The Bills have no balance on offense. The RB’s are useless in this offense. If Josh Allen doesn’t play great they lose. 
 

The Defense is still playing well considering all the injuries we have. Sean McD defense keeps us in games. The offense just hasn’t been able to take advantage. If McDermott wasn’t running the defense we would probably be even worse than we are right now 

[Boatdrinks]

Just now, UKBillFan said:

Because I think he’s trying to protect the battered defense by asking the offense to pick up the TOP. The mindset needs to change; if the Bills need to win a shootout the fine. The offense is the supposed strength; let them play to their peak.

This. He probably thinks the other way hasn’t gotten them to where they wanted to be yet- so why not take some of the risk out of Josh and turn him into a more conservative QB? He also thinks it would be better for his beloved defense. 

[BuffaloRebound]

Dorsey looks in over his head, not ready for prime time.  I don’t believe we’ll ever get to promised land with McDermott but he’s still a proven good head coach in this league.  

[Boatdrinks]

1 minute ago, BillMafia716ix said:

Dorsey and the scheme is the problem. The Bills have no balance on offense. The RB’s are useless in this offense. If Josh Allen doesn’t play great they lose. 
 

The Defense is still playing well considering all the injuries we have. Sean McD defense keeps us in games. The offense just hasn’t been able to take advantage. If McDermott wasn’t running the defense we would probably be even worse than we are right now 

Josh can and does play great in a certain style. It’s just not one that McD is particularly fond of. He’s low risk to a fault. The defense is awful , gives up first downs and big plays routinely. They need a score on every possession mentality and that means more of Josh being Josh. Not handoffs to RBs that run sideways. 

[Warcodered]

2 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

Because I think he’s trying to protect the battered defense by asking the offense to pick up the TOP. The mindset needs to change; if the Bills need to win a shootout the fine. The offense is the supposed strength; let them play to their peak.

Yeah our TOP against the Bucs was great when we ran the uptempo style offense, in fact it only started to suck when we became conservative and started to have 3 and outs and punted. So that makes no ***** sense.

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Both for $1000 Alex.....

[damj]

7 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said:

 

You think the defensive HC with Josh Allen is telling the OC to play conservative? You really think this?

Yes,  that's why I said it jackwagon.

 

McDermott is the HC and can fire Dorsey if he doesn't do what he says. 

 

My apology that you're too stupid to understand. 

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

Just now, damj said:

Yes,  that's why I said it jackwagon.

 

McDermott is the HC and can fire Dorsey if he doesn't do what he says. 

 

My apology that you're too stupid to understand. 

 

We have an internet tough guy... Jackwagon?... Nevermind he's a boomer!

[Boatdrinks]

Just now, Warcodered said:

Yeah our TOP against the Bucs was great when we ran the uptempo style offense, in fact it only started to suck when we became conservative and started to have 3 and outs and punted. So that makes no ***** sense.

Exactly . Hopefully Sean sees the light. Soon …

[BillMafia716ix]

3 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Josh can and does play great in a certain style. It’s just not one that McD is particularly fond of. He’s low risk to a fault. The defense is awful , gives up first downs and big plays routinely. They need a score on every possession mentality and that means more of Josh being Josh. Not handoffs to RBs that run sideways. 

The defense is awful? They are down one of their best interior lineman, 2 staring LB’s, and their best corner. How you expect the defense to play? 

[Warriorspikes51]

Give Joe Brady the playcalling duties for a week and see what happens? 

[LABILLBACKER]

23 minutes ago, Billsfanatic8989 said:

Massive offensive drop off from Daboll to Dorsey. At this point, the OC needs to go. As in tomorrow. See how the team is performing by January before firing/keeping McDermott.

 

 

 

 

I don't need to wait till January to tell me McD has worn out his welcome.  He and Dorsey need to go together.  But as many have mentioned,  Terry is madly in love with a mediocre "in game" coach.  Getting the organization out of the drought has hipmitized him.

[UKBillFan]

Just now, Warcodered said:

Yeah our TOP against the Bucs was great when we ran the uptempo style offense, in fact it only started to suck when we became conservative and started to have 3 and outs and punted. So that makes no ***** sense.

Kind of proves my point. Generally the run game, huddles and short passes burns the clock more effectively than uptempo, no huddle - but not for the Bills. I think McDermott is stuck on conventional wisdom.

[Boatdrinks]

Just now, BillMafia716ix said:

The defense is awful? They are down one of their best interior lineman, 2 staring LB’s, and their best corner. How you expect the defense to play? 

I expect just about how they’ve been playing : awful. Mc D needs to be realistic here , before it’s too late. 

[damj]

1 minute ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said:

 

We have an internet tough guy... Jackwagon?... Nevermind he's a boomer!

I give you credit.  You're a wrong with your post as you are with your assumption

[newcam2012]

38 minutes ago, damj said:

The struggling offense,  so you think it's McDermott or Dorsey?

 

Personally, I blame McDermott.  I have no idea if Dorsey is good enough... but I think McDermott keeper hammering to Doresy to play conservative.... McDermott tried that with Dorsey, but he had enough balls to ignore McDermott and run the offense to Josh's strengths.

 

Now,  I think McDermott drills into Dorsey and Josh's head to not make a mistake, stay in the pocket,  don't and don't improvise which is what Josh excels at. By the 4th quarter when we're down by 2 scores,  they take the reins off and let Josh play his game

The Bills need to clean house. I've been pounding the table for quite some time. 

 

The Beane/McD show has run it's course. I don't know how much more obvious it can get. 

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