You need playmakers in this league. We have a very short supply of them.

[GoBills808]

5 minutes ago, Nelius said:

Again, coaching and execution. Braxton Berrios had 18 catches last year. He should not be putting up better numbers than Gabe and Harty and you can't possibly believe that he's actually better than both. 

The list of wideouts I think are better than Davis is pretty long tbh

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 hour ago, Beast said:

On offense we have two. Allen and Stef Diggs. Dalton Kincaid has promise but isn’t there yet.

 

Shakir, Sherfield, Harty, Knox…they are all JAGS.

 

But that puts them ahead of “Big play Gabe” Davis. The end of year can’t come quick enough to send this guy packing.

 

Our RB’s……any big plays there?

 

When is the last explosive play we’ve had on offense? I can think of Diggs play tonight and am having a hard time thinking of when the last one before that was. Maybe I’m just getting old and can’t remember them.

 

On defense?

 

We had Milano.

 

Our defensive line absolutely is a disappointment. I can’t recall the last time they made a game changing play. Rousseau finally batted a ball down tonight. That’s the first impact play he’s made in a month. Epenesa, Floyd, Oliver, Von Miller…..getting near the QB is not enough. There have been FAR too many resources spent on this unit with high draft picks and big contracts to not expect a strip sack once in a damned while. 
 

DB’s? Let’s be honest, Hyde and Poyer are washed. Zero impact plays here.

 

Tre White, Benford, Jackson, Johnson, Elam….just nothing. INT’s and forced fumbles are so far and few between I can’t remember the last one this unit made.

 

I’m not getting into the coaching here. They’re another issue but I’m keeping this just to the players.

 

The Bills have a bunch of JAGs, Josh Allen, Stef Diggs and an up and coming Kincaid.

 

That’s it folks. That clearly isn’t enough.

 

 

Another dominant WR has been the need since this team decided to sign Emmanuel Sanders in 2021.

 

We’ve stalled on offense because we haven’t kept adding elite talent - it was Diggs and then we stopped. 
 

You're 100% right - Beane’s premise was wrong.

 

After 13-seconds Beane thought two things: 

 

1. Keep the core together. 

2. We need more pass rush.

 

I said it and thought it when they signed Sanders to be their #2 when he was waffling on retirement (sound familiar) - they need another explosive playmaker.

 

The 2020 AFCCG showed you that. You didn’t have enough to keep up with the Chiefs. 
 

And instead it’s been junk pile and yard sales and thrift stores.

 

First round this year, and especially should be a good pick when we miss the Playoffs, have to, must, get a #1 WR in here. 
 

 

 

[Nelius]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

The list of wideouts I think are better than Davis is pretty long tbh

Fair, he's not a #2 and I've agreed with that take for weeks now. I still think our collective JAGs are better than a lot of other teams. It's pretty rough out there. Outside of the very obvious #2 void, which is impactful, I don't think it's much of a valid complaint. I mean the Browns are still giving Marquise Goodwin regular snaps.

[GoBills808]

4 minutes ago, Nelius said:

Fair, he's not a #2 and I've agreed with that take for weeks now. I still think our collective JAGs are better than a lot of other teams. It's pretty rough out there. Outside of the very obvious #2 void, which is impactful, I don't think it's much of a valid complaint. I mean the Browns are still giving Marquise Goodwin regular snaps.

See I would disagree w that take

 

Imo our talent on offense is below average

[Scott7975]

We have enough play makers on offense to succeed on offense. It’s the wrong offense for Josh. 

[Freddie's Dead]

I will differ with the OP on one point.  Dane Jackson was the only player on defense to really show up tonight.  Had a helluva game until that big play to Tee Higgins on the last Bengals drive.  Hyde made two big plays, the PD where he got dinged up, and the rejection on 2nd down.  Other than that, Hyde got pwned.  Both Hyde and Poyer have lost a step, and their replacements are not on the current roster (Rapp?  Biatch, please).

[Dr.Sack]

I think our defense needs to practice corralling scrambling QBs. 

[Nelius]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

See I would disagree w that take

 

Imo our talent on offense is below average

Guess it's a matter of opinion but would like to know an example of depth that you think might bring it home? Even excluding Davis, the Kincaid-Harty-Shakir, even Sherfield combo is better than what a lot of teams are working with as 3rd-5th options. Weirdly enough Baltimore has pretty solid depth which was always their issue for years but beyond that I'm not seeing anything other than Cincy

[Comebackkid]

9 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Another dominant WR has been the need since this team decided to sign Emmanuel Sanders in 2021.

 

We’ve stalled on offense because we haven’t kept adding elite talent - it was Diggs and then we stopped. 
 

You're 100% right - Beane’s premise was wrong.

 

After 13-seconds Beane thought two things: 

 

1. Keep the core together. 

2. We need more pass rush.

 

I said it and thought it when they signed Sanders to be their #2 when he was waffling on retirement (sound familiar) - they need another explosive playmaker.

 

The 2020 AFCCG showed you that. You didn’t have enough to keep up with the Chiefs. 
 

And instead it’s been junk pile and yard sales and thrift stores.

 

First round this year, and especially should be a good pick when we miss the Playoffs, have to, must, get a #1 WR in here. 
 

 

 

he wasnt wrong...   the way to beat Burrow is harrass him with the pass rush. the problem is, they have dumped resources over and over and over and are 

still a hit and miss when it comes to the pass rush.   In doing so it has taken away the ability to do more on the offense

2 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

I will differ with the OP on one point.  Dane Jackson was the only player on defense to really show up tonight.  Had a helluva game until that big play to Tee Higgins on the last Bengals drive.  Hyde made two big plays, the PD where he got dinged up, and the rejection on 2nd down.  Other than that, Hyde got pwned.  Both Hyde and Poyer have lost a step, and their replacements are not on the current roster (Rapp?  Biatch, please).

so funny and so true. 

[Dopey]

2 hours ago, Beast said:

On offense we have two. Allen and Stef Diggs. Dalton Kincaid has promise but isn’t there yet.

 

Shakir, Sherfield, Harty, Knox…they are all JAGS.

 

But that puts them ahead of “Big play Gabe” Davis. The end of year can’t come quick enough to send this guy packing.

 

Our RB’s……any big plays there?

 

When is the last explosive play we’ve had on offense? I can think of Diggs play tonight and am having a hard time thinking of when the last one before that was. Maybe I’m just getting old and can’t remember them.

 

On defense?

 

We had Milano.

 

Our defensive line absolutely is a disappointment. I can’t recall the last time they made a game changing play. Rousseau finally batted a ball down tonight. That’s the first impact play he’s made in a month. Epenesa, Floyd, Oliver, Von Miller…..getting near the QB is not enough. There have been FAR too many resources spent on this unit with high draft picks and big contracts to not expect a strip sack once in a damned while. 
 

DB’s? Let’s be honest, Hyde and Poyer are washed. Zero impact plays here.

 

Tre White, Benford, Jackson, Johnson, Elam….just nothing. INT’s and forced fumbles are so far and few between I can’t remember the last one this unit made.

 

I’m not getting into the coaching here. They’re another issue but I’m keeping this just to the players.

 

The Bills have a bunch of JAGs, Josh Allen, Stef Diggs and an up and coming Kincaid.

 

That’s it folks. That clearly isn’t enough.

 

 

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[Dopey]

18 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

The list of wideouts I think are better than Davis is pretty long tbh

That’s not surprising. He’s a late 4th round pick making less than $1 million annually. You get what you pay for. Never understood the angst here towards him. He’s outplayed his contract over the course of it. People get mad over the dumbest things. Not saying you, just this board and Gabe in general. 

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, Dopey said:

That’s not surprising. He’s a late 4th round pick making less than $1 million annually. You get what you pay for. Never understood the angst here towards him. He’s outplayed his contract over the course of it. People get mad over the dumbest things. Not saying you, just this board and Gabe in general. 

That's the entire point

 

They don't want to pay for offense yet everyone expects crazy production from a collection of mid tier talent

[Dopey]

1 hour ago, Aussie Joe said:

Can’t win without turnovers 

Can’t win with them either. Our qb leads the league in ints again. He’s tied with guys like Sam Howell, Mac Jones, and Jimmy G. League leader in turnovers over the past three seasons. 

[Brand J]

I wish Rousseau would’ve taken a big step forward this year, but it seems he’s the Robin to a Batman. The Phil Hansen to a Bruce Smith. None of our defensive lineman are feared by other teams. Collectively, when healthy, they’re great and can play off of each other. Individually? Just “good,” but good isn’t good enough. 

[billsfan89]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

Braxton Berrios has more receiving yards than Harty and Sherfield combined

The 4th and 5th WR’s who don’t get many snaps?

[Dopey]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

That's the entire point

 

They don't want to pay for offense yet everyone expects crazy production from a collection of mid tier talent

This recent stretch aside, we have produced. 2nd in the league in scored last season. I’m not sure why people except that from mid tier talent. That’s on them, but collectively, we’ve produced. 
I know we can’t take the game away, but minus the 70 point explosion by Miami vs the Broncos, we’re both averaging around 26.6 per game. All that talent on offense for them. San Fran and Dallas are outscoring us by a whopping:

.6 and .8 points per game respectively. Most people say those teams have a ton more talent on offense. We’re on par with most teams as far as talent on offense. This opinion is subjective so I’m going to say IMO. 

[GunnerBill]

They are down their two biggest playmakers on D - Milano and White. 

 

They don't have enough playmakers on O. 

 

I don't think the team the Bills put on the field last night is good enough to win a Superbowl. The team that bashed Miami up? That team had a shot. But what has happened since starting with Tre's achillies at the end of that game has ended any title hopes this year. 

 

That does NOT mean that everyone else, GM, coach, QB, players left gets a pass. They don't. But the Bills are not a Superbowl team this year. Can they scrape into the playoffs is the question. 

[Scott7975]

8 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

We have enough play makers on offense to succeed on offense. It’s the wrong offense for Josh. 

 

Laugh all you want suckers.  They aren't going to fill the oline with #1 draft picks and the WR room full of the Devonta Adams and the Hopkins of the world.  It just isn't going to happen and shouldn't need to happen.  The Chiefs had about the same talent as us last season. This season they don't have one guy as good as Diggs.  Not even Kelce.  He is old and hobbled all year and his other receivers suck.  They still winning.  Who the Ravens got? Flowers?  Broken ODB?  They still winning.

 

This team has enough talent. It's the coaching not using that talent to their strengths.  You can keep disagreeing while you watch Josh get wasted with Dorsey. 

[NewEra]

10 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

Can’t win without turnovers 

We can win without turnovers….as long as we don’t turn it over.  
 

 

[Bruffalo]

11 hours ago, Dr.Sack said:

Tre, Milano, and Da’Quan were missed tonight.

Were they though? 

 

This team needs to go all in on offense.