Not addressing WR is a fail...

[NoSaint]

15 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said:

Remember when we ran McKittrick outta town on a rail?  And when we replaced him with two guys that cost like 4x what it would have taken just to keep him?  Well they have way less FDs and points halfway into the season, and likely won't equal McKittrick's 2022 output by the end of the season. Good times. 

I don’t understand why harty doesn’t have the full mckenzie package and then extra. It makes no sense.

12 hours ago, Jerry Jabber said:

No doubt Dorsey is awful and the injuries on Defense have taken their toll, but only having Allen, Diggs and Kincaid as the only guys on offense that can consistently make plays is a huge problem! Bengals have more weapons on offense and kept moving the chains the last night.

the expectation can’t be Higgins at wr2 to succeed. Dorsey has a lot of tools he isn’t using now. There’s no scheming guys up. It’s just RPO, but not play sequencing or route combinations more complex than giving the defender the high/low choice that resulted in picks vs the jets and Josh/diggs making the miracle throw/catch over a guy last night. 

Edited November 7, 2023 by NoSaint

[Freak-O]

It took half a season for Dorsey to realise he had a new toy in Kincaid and he’s just starting to discover Shakir. I don’t know enough about football to be any kind of authority, but I wouldn’t mind a change at the offensive helm. 

[HappyDays]

39 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

giving the defender the high/low choice that resulted in picks vs the jets and Josh/diggs making the miracle throw/catch over a guy last night. 

 

His INT last night was the same concept. And his first throw against the Pats. We have put that play on tape way too many times. And Kurt Warner after the Jets game in his film review pointed out that in our offense, the "high" WR on that play is not running it to a high enough level to really put the CB in conflict.

 

So CBs are being taught exactly how to defend both areas and muddy Allen's read or bait him into an interception. I feel the way about these plays that I feel about goalline shotgun runs - conceptually I understand that they can be sound plays, but with our personnel more often than not they are killing us. So why does Dorsey continue calling those plays every week?

 

Edited November 6, 2023 by HappyDays

[starrymessenger]

9 hours ago, peterpan said:

DHop worth every penny.  Just sayin 

Sign Tee Higgins in FA.

[Chugga]

2 hours ago, Meatloaf63 said:

Don’t need a pro bowler as wide receiver number two we just need someone who can get separation, fight for the ball, and make a play now and then. Cincinnati has three receivers that can do that plus tight ends.

And Kansas City has 1, and Baltimore has 1 and both are TEs.  Cincinnati has a wealth of talent on their offense but they also haven’t taken the full brunt of Burrow yet.  They took part of it this off season and both of their safeties are gone.  Their WR group won’t survive this offseason and despite their performance last night the Bengals TE room is filled with jags.  It’s totally our fault we made them look good.

 

As much as I want to throw Gabe Davis to the wolves because he’s not good and he gets no separation, at the end of the day it’s a drafting issue.  You can afford to pay 1 great receiving threat.  Any team with multiple elite threats are due to their team investing in the draft.  Dolphins have Tyreek…Waddle not paid yet.  Eagles have Brown…Smith not paid yet.  When it’s come time for the Bills to give Josh Allen weapons they drafted Rousseau, Elam, and finally Kincaid.  And look what happens when we invested in Kincaid.

[Meatloaf63]

28 minutes ago, Chugga said:

And Kansas City has 1, and Baltimore has 1 and both are TEs.  Cincinnati has a wealth of talent on their offense but they also haven’t taken the full brunt of Burrow yet.  They took part of it this off season and both of their safeties are gone.  Their WR group won’t survive this offseason and despite their performance last night the Bengals TE room is filled with jags.  It’s totally our fault we made them look good.

 

As much as I want to throw Gabe Davis to the wolves because he’s not good and he gets no separation, at the end of the day it’s a drafting issue.  You can afford to pay 1 great receiving threat.  Any team with multiple elite threats are due to their team investing in the draft.  Dolphins have Tyreek…Waddle not paid yet.  Eagles have Brown…Smith not paid yet.  When it’s come time for the Bills to give Josh Allen weapons they drafted Rousseau, Elam, and finally Kincaid.  And look what happens when we invested in Kincaid.

And KC’s offense is terrible this year, they are living off a defense that isn’t decimated by injury.

[DanInUticaTampa]

10 hours ago, Dr.Sack said:

We don’t know if Elam was playing in Davis jersey. 

post of the weekend 😂

[zow2]

Gabe is not even serviceable at this point.  Forget being a WR2.  He was a one trick pony for a while, just send him on deep pattern and maybe you'd hit one.  But now he's become very easy to cover and he is not on the same page as Allen all too often.

[Jerry Jabber]

5 hours ago, NoSaint said:

I don’t understand why harty doesn’t have the full mckenzie package and then extra. It makes no sense.

the expectation can’t be Higgins at wr2 to succeed. Dorsey has a lot of tools he isn’t using now. There’s no scheming guys up. It’s just RPO, but now play sequencing or route combinations more complex than giving the defender the high/low choice that resulted in picks vs the jets and Josh/diggs making the miracle throw/catch over a guy last night. 

Could’ve signed Hopkins in the offseason, but the Bills decided to use that money on Leonard Floyd. It’s not unreasonable to think teams can have two great WR’s (see Bengals and Dolphins).

[Success]

I was so stoked when we got Von - but that contract is really hurting us now.

 

We could have gotten Adams, we could have gotten Hopkins.  Take your pick.  Miller is contributing absolutely nothing on the field right now, and a real #2 receiver would have had us in a much better position for the stretch run.  

 

I hope Von CAN make it back - but right now, it's looking like that move set us back.

 

[harmonkillebrew]

23 minutes ago, Jerry Jabber said:

Could’ve signed Hopkins in the offseason, but the Bills decided to use that money on Leonard Floyd. It’s not unreasonable to think teams can have two great WR’s (see Bengals and Dolphins).

Long-standing pattern. The amount of draft/FA capital we spend on DE at the expense of other positions.

[CincyBillsFan]

3 minutes ago, harmonkillebrew said:

Long-standing pattern. The amount of draft/FA capital we spend on DE at the expense of other positions.

Bingo.  Epinesa, Boggie, Groot and Von Miller is an amazing amount of draft/FA capital spent here.  And how many sacks have they produced?

 

 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

Is the problem Gabe can't get open, or for whatever reason Allen rarely looks his way, or the way the plays are drawn up by Dorsey makes it tough for Davis to ever be open?

 

Last week he was involved a lot, this week, not. 

[JerseyBills]

14 hours ago, Chugga said:

Diggs is elite.  Kincaid can ball.  Shakir is sneaky good and if you mask James Cooks weakness in pass protection the guy can get loose.  The offensive line has held up pretty damn well this season.

 

The QB also has gamebreaking talent.  We’ve got the players to put up more than 18 points 

We put up 30+ on a regular basis with alot less talent. It's something internal that needs fixing 

[Shanahan's Horseshoe]

14 hours ago, Chugga said:

Diggs is elite.  Kincaid can ball.  Shakir is sneaky good and if you mask James Cooks weakness in pass protection the guy can get loose.  The offensive line has held up pretty damn well this season.

 

The QB also has gamebreaking talent.  We’ve got the players to put up more than 18 points 

Cook is averaging 3 YPC in our 4 losses.  25% of his yards came in 4th quarter blowouts.  He’s always been a complimentary back and this season once again prove it. 

[CincyBillsFan]

4 hours ago, Chugga said:

And Kansas City has 1, and Baltimore has 1 and both are TEs.  Cincinnati has a wealth of talent on their offense but they also haven’t taken the full brunt of Burrow yet.  They took part of it this off season and both of their safeties are gone.  Their WR group won’t survive this offseason and despite their performance last night the Bengals TE room is filled with jags.  It’s totally our fault we made them look good.

 

As much as I want to throw Gabe Davis to the wolves because he’s not good and he gets no separation, at the end of the day it’s a drafting issue.  You can afford to pay 1 great receiving threat.  Any team with multiple elite threats are due to their team investing in the draft.  Dolphins have Tyreek…Waddle not paid yet.  Eagles have Brown…Smith not paid yet.  When it’s come time for the Bills to give Josh Allen weapons they drafted Rousseau, Elam, and finally Kincaid.  And look what happens when we invested in Kincaid.

KC & Baltimore have a better O line and better RB's. The Eagles have a much better O line and running game.  In the absence of a running game and an O line that plays poorly having a weak WR group is a big problem.

 

 

 

 

[NoSaint]

1 hour ago, Jerry Jabber said:

Could’ve signed Hopkins in the offseason, but the Bills decided to use that money on Leonard Floyd. It’s not unreasonable to think teams can have two great WR’s (see Bengals and Dolphins).

I agree. 
 

though I think when hopkins turned them down they went to Floyd as best available FA at an impact position they could afford 

[ngbills]

No Hopkins but-

 

Harty...

Hines...

Too many defensive players to list

Why do they have Ty Johnson returning kicks when we invest so much into special teams? 

 

[Hebert19]

15 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Gabe sucks. The oline is far worse than you think.  Tonight hardly anyone got separation. 

And yes.  Oline isn't great. Especially run blocking.  Oof

18 minutes ago, ngbills said:

No Hopkins but-

 

Harty...

Hines...

Too many defensive players to list

Why do they have Ty Johnson returning kicks when we invest so much into special teams? 

 

Daboll was able to make McKenzie a very solid player at like 2M per year.  We spent like 10M to try and replicate that and failed. 

[jkeerie]

16 hours ago, Hebert19 said:

Games stat line.  0. 

 

He needs to sit.  He's a trash second. 

Tee higgins.  Dominant.  

Waddle last week.  Dominant. 

Gabe.  *****. 

 

Start shakir and make sherfield 3. 

I actually agree with this.  Gabe reminds me of McKenzie.  McKenzie had flashes in certain games versus certain teams...NE and Detroit.  Then he was good maybe for a 6 yarder on occasion.  (The difference is that McKenzie ran his mouth a lot to reporters which is never helpful.)   To me Gabe hasn't earned the right to be on that field as the number 2 WR.  Shakir has and clearly Josh is trusting Shakir more and more.