Bills sign DT Linval Joseph---Elam to IR

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Pretty good additions midseason.

[BillsfaninChicago]

What happened to Elam? Did the yoga matt strike again? Maybe we should sign that to the 53 man roster? 

[Warriorspikes51]

8 minutes ago, The Tomcat said:

Per Mike Garafolo of NFL Media, Joseph’s one-year deal is worth up to $3.72 million.

 

What would he count on the salary cap?

 

 

I believe there is a base salary that I'm guessing is around 1.5  and incentives earned carry over to next year. I might be wrong though 

[Dablitzkrieg]

12 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

No, they can't.    That's not how it works.   They are technically free to sign with any team while on a PS but they can't be "plucked" or claimed.    They can choose to stay on the teams PS or get elevated etc..   They are free agents........simple as that.   A lot of players choose to stay on PS despite 53 man roster offers because they like their longer term outlook with the team they are on the PS with etc..

I was agreeing with you that they need input/consent 

[PaattMaann]

12 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

No, they can't.    That's not how it works.   They are technically free to sign with any team while on a PS but they can't be "plucked" or claimed.    They can choose to stay on the teams PS or get elevated etc..   They are free agents........simple as that.   A lot of players choose to stay on PS despite 53 man roster offers because they like their longer term outlook with the team they are on the PS with etc..

 

I know this is an option for them, but I don't think this is really ever done by a player. Do you know of specific cases where this has actually happened? 

[DrDawkinstein]

10 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Mid-season, Bills spend a 3rd RD pick and 3-4M to get CB Rasul Douglas, DT Linval Joseph, RB Leonard Fournette and a 5th RD pick.
 

 Our Defense is now back to only having one glaring hole at LB.. which with the additions of an above average CB and proven, big body 1T, should be able to be schemed up to protect. 
 

This is about as good as we could have hoped for being cap strapped. 
 

Defense can reasonably be expected to be a strength again, once these two get up to speed.  
 

Well done Beane.. well done!

 

I'm just quoting this so it ends up on the next page as well. Great recap.

[Warriorspikes51]

9 minutes ago, Beast said:

Sounds like this is it or they would have to restructure some players to make any other signings possible.

I don't think the "up to $3.72 million" means his cap hit is that.

It's the agent putting out the maximum cash value possible 

[Rigotz]

22 minutes ago, Logic said:

Absolutely love the signing.

I wonder two things:

First, which DT goes back to the inactive list each week, assuming they don't suit up five of them. Is it Ford again? If so....the Ford signing was not great. Though I suppose for them to even NEED to sign Joseph, the Ford signing ALREADY wasn't looking great.

Second, is there any chance at all that Daquon Jones can come back by playoff time? An early down interior line of Joseph and Jones would be beastly to try to run against.

The Bills defense got a lot better this week. Rasul Douglas and Linval Joseph will help that side of the ball IMMENSELY, and neither will break the bank. Well done, Beane.

 

People hyped up Poona Ford, but the reality is that he signed a 1-year, $2.2M contract for a reason.

 

Linval Joseph is getting paid significantly more than that for half a season. He's a big upgrade. Ford goes back to the bench.

[DrDawkinstein]

5 minutes ago, PaattMaann said:

 

I know this is an option for them, but I don't think this is really ever done by a player. Do you know of specific cases where this has actually happened? 

 

Most of the time they dont need to because it's worked out ahead of time before the new team "makes it official". They dont want to try to pluck someone just to get denied and they get egg on their face. So we never hear about the players that choose to stay.

 

But it's pretty well assumed with these vets that get signed to the PS temporarily that they arent going anywhere else, or else they would have before.

 

edit:

 

best example I could find with some quick googling was Deshawn Williams of the Bengals in 2016. But even that wasnt found out until after the season when talking to the player.

 

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/nfl/bengals/2016/05/11/cincinnati-bengals-deshawn-williams-2016-defensive-line/84227460/

 

 

 

Edited November 2, 2023 by DrDawkinstein

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

Was Elam really injured ?

[Mango]

53 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

These NFL athletes are incredible. At the combine, he ran a 5.04 40 at 6-4, 328. 

 

At one point in my life I was a very very fit, 6'2, 160 pound, 20-something year old who likely couldn't run a 40 in 5.04. 

I am always amazed how twitchy these NFL players are. It is remarkable. 

[wppete]

10 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

pete, it just sounded funny to me.  Intended or not.

 

We need our 330 pounders in shape, and hungry.

 

 

you are right 😂. Hopefully he is not 380 LBs sitting on a couch all year 😂. I doubt it. 

[Warcodered]

14 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Mid-season, Bills spend a 3rd RD pick and 3-4M to get CB Rasul Douglas, DT Linval Joseph, RB Leonard Fournette and a 5th RD pick.
 

 Our Defense is now back to only having one glaring hole at LB.. which with the additions of an above average CB and proven, big body 1T, should be able to be schemed up to protect. 
 

This is about as good as we could have hoped for being cap strapped. 
 

Defense can reasonably be expected to be a strength again, once these two get up to speed.  
 

Well done Beane.. well done!

I'm more optimistic about Dorian Williams filling in for Milano with more help against the run on the Dline.

[Augie]

16 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Mid-season, Bills spend a 3rd RD pick and 3-4M to get CB Rasul Douglas, DT Linval Joseph, RB Leonard Fournette and a 5th RD pick.
 

 Our Defense is now back to only having one glaring hole at LB.. which with the additions of an above average CB and proven, big body 1T, should be able to be schemed up to protect. 
 

This is about as good as we could have hoped for being cap strapped. 
 

Defense can reasonably be expected to be a strength again, once these two get up to speed.  
 

Well done Beane.. well done!

 

So, are we NOT firing him now? It’s hard to keep up. 

[nedboy7]

18 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

PFF Overall by Year:

2010: 53.5 

2011: 62.3

2012: 71.6

2013: 73.4

2014: 70.9

2015: 90.9

2016: 80.1

2017: 90.0

2018: 72.2

2019: 71.2

2020: 68.7 

2021: 63.4

2022: 58.9

 

So, a standard curve where playing time and effectiveness increased from age-22, peaked at 27, 28, 29, and began to steadily drop, steeper from 32-34 years old. 

 

 

 

 

that is good info.  here is what we currently have.

 

Tim Settle:  47.5

Ed Oliver: 57.2

Poonman:  60.9

Jordan Phillips: 40.5

 

 

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, Warcodered said:

I'm more optimistic about Dorian Williams filling in for Milano with more help against the run on the Dline.

Agreed. That’s why 1T was such a big deal .. our linebackers are scheme fits to fly around behind a big DL that keeps them clean.  
 

This should allow Dorian Williams to get back on the field, unless they love what they stumbled across with Poyer at LB on passing downs. 

[PaattMaann]

6 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Most of the time they dont need to because it's worked out ahead of time before the new team "makes it official". They dont want to try to pluck someone just to get denied and they get egg on their face. So we never hear about the players that choose to stay.

 

But it's pretty well assumed with these vets that get signed to the PS temporarily that they arent going anywhere else, or else they would have before.

 

edit:

 

best example I could find with some quick googling was Deshawn Williams of the Bengals in 2016. But even that wasnt found out until after the season when talking to the player.

 

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/nfl/bengals/2016/05/11/cincinnati-bengals-deshawn-williams-2016-defensive-line/84227460/

 

 

 

 

yea, I know..thanks... it just doesn't happen and he was talking out of his a$$

[Mango]

8 minutes ago, PaattMaann said:

 

I know this is an option for them, but I don't think this is really ever done by a player. Do you know of specific cases where this has actually happened? 

 

I think you see this with vets with the new PS rules post covid. Where a guy like Fournette, AJ Klein, or even Manzc might prefer the Buffalo practice squad. But a young guy in the league will almost always take his shot. 

[DrDawkinstein]

4 minutes ago, PaattMaann said:

 

yea, I know..thanks... it just doesn't happen and he was talking out of his a$$

 

It doesnt happen because teams dont try to poach guys they know will choose to stay. Not because players dont choose to stay.

[BearNorth]

wondering if on passing third downs, we will see Groot, Von, Ed & AJE.