What of Elam now??

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, FrenchConnection said:

You can't say that. Think back to when Tim Murray was honest about being disappointed about getting Jack Eicehel instead of McDavid. The honesty was nice, but the relationship between the team and the player was doomed from the start because of it.

No I know they can't.  But it's why it's so funny that fans are like "they said this was their best player on their board left!"

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

3 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

You can't say that. Think back to when Tim Murray was honest about being disappointed about getting Jack Eicehel instead of McDavid. The honesty was nice, but the relationship between the team and the player was doomed from the start because of it.

But to paraphrase Troy from 'Community', Murray is "human tennis elbow. He is a pizza burn on the roof of the world's mouth. He is the opposite of Batman."

[K-9]

1 hour ago, PayDaBill$ said:

He’s pretty raw but not without talent. He cost next to nothing.  Get him some reps & experience. No need to give up on him yet.

Can’t give him reps at the expense of better players currently. That’s not giving up on him, that’s just saying it’s not his turn yet when better players are getting those reps. 

[Success]

Fun fact:  Kaiir Elam is 22 years old.

 

[BananaB]

23 minutes ago, 14774 said:

Position switch? Try him as a WR.🤷‍♂️

Start teaching him safety, that’s where his father played. 

[JMM]

1 hour ago, warrior9 said:

It's not a foolish troll.

 

You don't have good information to suggest that. You assumed. What type of good info and logical reference would lead you to believe a Beane / McDermott team would shop a second year first round pick that THEY drafted? They believe in draft and develop. His post was far from a troll.. Seems like yours is more of a troll, tbh. 

Hmm, let's see I posted an OPINION, on a message board. How OUTRAGEOUS! I mean if we dont speak on known 100% facts, then possibly the internet police should come for me. Shudder...Now let's see, local pundits that cover the team for a living stated this was likely. National pundits also suggested it, many on this board did as well. But hey , what do they know? Good enough? Remember though

, from now on, nobody on this OPINION board is allowed to state ONE, they can only comment on KNOWN FACT.  Assumption is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. Right?

[3rdand12]

52 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Can’t give him reps at the expense of better players currently. That’s not giving up on him, that’s just saying it’s not his turn yet when better players are getting those reps. 

so when does he become a better player and able to play zone and man as needed each snap ?

Everything returns to coaching. or lack there of ?

[K-9]

6 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

so when does he become a better player and able to play zone and man as needed each snap ?

Everything returns to coaching. or lack there of ?

He’s had every opportunity with the same coaching as other much less heralded players that continue to out perform him. It’s entirely up to him at this point. 

[GETTOTHE50]

1 hour ago, Success said:

Fun fact:  Kaiir Elam is 22 years old.

 

younger or older than edmunds?

[Rigotz]

3 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

A rookie corner with 2 interceptions in two big games last year... all the physical talent in the world... on a cheap contract.

 

Yes, throw him in the trash after 1.5 seasons. Useless.

[daz28]

1 hour ago, Success said:

Fun fact:  Kaiir Elam is 22 years old.

 

We all knew he needed to not only learn the system, but learn off coverage, too.  Hopefully, he's a late bloomer, and he has the physical skills to do this.  Sometimes it just clicks.  Worst case scenario we have an expensive Cam Lewis for 2 years.  I'd rather wait that out, than get a 6th round pick now.  I'm glad he will get another shot next year.  Rasul softens the blow on the draft capital we spent on him, too.   

[JoPoy88]

1 hour ago, JMM said:

Hmm, let's see I posted an OPINION, on a message board. How OUTRAGEOUS! I mean if we dont speak on known 100% facts, then possibly the internet police should come for me. Shudder...Now let's see, local pundits that cover the team for a living stated this was likely. National pundits also suggested it, many on this board did as well. But hey , what do they know? Good enough? Remember though

, from now on, nobody on this OPINION board is allowed to state ONE, they can only comment on KNOWN FACT.  Assumption is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. Right?

I guess you feel that YOUR opinions can’t be challenged/questioned? That’s the only reason I see for this little fit.

 

Yes, many local and some national football pundits thought the Bills might try to trade Elam. You turned that into “OBVIOUSLY the team tried to trade him.” Bit of reach, no? That’s why you were questioned but I guess you can’t handle that.

[Livinginthepast]

Elam = Aaron Maybin? Is that a fair comparison? or too harsh?

[stevewin]

1 hour ago, Success said:

Fun fact:  Kaiir Elam is 22 years old.

 

So 7 yrs older than Edmunds?

[DasNootz]

McDermott has had a great track record with DBs.  The fact that he can’t coach up this 1st round pick says more to me about the player than they system or coaching staff.  
 

Elam has been jumped by JAGs and an off-the-couch has-been.  The organization has every reason to develop him

and play him, but they choose not to.  Assuming they can’t trade him for - 6th or 7th this off-season, I see no scenario where he’s on the roster next season.

[Mikie2times]

[JMM]

23 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

I guess you feel that YOUR opinions can’t be challenged/questioned? That’s the only reason I see for this little fit.

 

Yes, many local and some national football pundits thought the Bills might try to trade Elam. You turned that into “OBVIOUSLY the team tried to trade him.” Bit of reach, no? That’s why you were questioned but I guess you can’t handle that.

In my OPINION they tried to trade him. In my OPINION,  I think it was obvious. Now what is your OPINION? Did Beane attempt to shop him, explore a trade? If your answer is no, then I have a nice bridge in NYC for sale I want to talk to u about. Beane is an excellent GM. If he didn't look into a move for him based on what we have seen especially this year,  then he wouldn't be doing his job. He did his job.

[JoPoy88]

2 minutes ago, JMM said:

In my OPINION they tried to trade him. In my OPINION,  I think it was obvious. Now what is your OPINION? Did Beane attempt to shop him, explore a trade? If your answer is no, then I have a nice bridge in NYC for sale I want to talk to u about. Beane is an excellent GM. If he didn't look into a move for him based on what we have seen especially this year,  then he wouldn't be doing his job. He did his job.

My opinion is there was nothing “obvious” surrounding the Elam situation as it stands today. There were factors, no. 1 being his play up to now, that suggested the team may try to move him. There are other factors, his draft status being no. 1, that suggested the team is nowhere close to giving up on him, especially when his trade value right now is pretty much bottomed out.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

They couldn't trade him now because his signing bonus would have eaten any remaining cap space. His dead cap hit was $11M. Even next year will be hard to move him as he will have a dead cap hit of over $8M.  He's probably on the team through 2024.

I wonder if they try to move him to nickel with a possibility he replaces Taron in 2025. 

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, JoPoy88 said:

My opinion is there was nothing “obvious” surrounding the Elam situation as it stands today. There were factors, no. 1 being his play up to now, that suggested the team may try to move him. There are other factors, his draft status being no. 1, that suggested the team is nowhere close to giving up on him, especially when his trade value right now is pretty much bottomed out.

Yeah sure, teams definitely say, “man this draft bust sucks so bad, I hope no one tries to trade for him,” lmao.

 

If teams were poking around on Elam and offering conditional 7ths, yeah Beane probably said no. But Elam being inactive pretty much every week means he was on the market, and every other GM knew it.

Edited November 1, 2023 by FireChans