MiracleAtRich1393 Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 On 10/31/2023 at 8:38 PM, appoo said: But let's not downplay the 3rd round pick. In my view, 3rd and 4th rounders are hugely important, moreso for Cap control than added value onto the field. The Bills have at least 2 starters from the 3rd round this year. Bernard and Spencer Brown. Bernard has been well above expected, but just pretend he was a replacement level player for his position just as Spencer Brown is. Meaning straight average. Good enough to start. Their REAL value is that those two dides have a combine 2M in cap hit, and the Bills don't have to spend 15M in veteran money for those two spots. So if the Bills got another replacement level start from a 3rd round pick in 24, that's a 6M cap hit the Bills are eating for Douglas. So that's the value trade Beane had to make. Not easy, but hopefully worth it. Expand Got a 5th rounder back. So a late 3rd rounder for a higher 5th rounder. Moving back 1.5 rounds rather than giving up a 3rd. Plus we have the Tremaine comp pick 3rd rounder. Seems extremely cheap, no-brainer to me Quote
The Wiz Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 On 10/31/2023 at 8:43 PM, C.Biscuit97 said: I think it’s solid pickup but people know pff is based on nothing really. They assume coverages/ defenses. They don’t fact in game situations (like the Pack losing a lot this year) and don’t adjust for receivers you’re covering (Alexander is their number 1 cb). It’s a nice tool I guess but can be all types of misleading. that said, if there is one area where I will blindly trust McDermott is defensive back. I wonder what the price for Johnson was? Expand There were two prices in that trade to happen. Bears and the players. Bears wanted a lot and Johnson wanted to get paid with an extension. 1 Quote
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 On 10/31/2023 at 8:45 PM, BeastMaster said: I would agree with this Douglas has the size and intangibles, but Tre has more athletic ability and high IQ Would have been nice to have them as a duo with Benford and Dane as backups Expand Yeah don’t get me wrong, it’s a solid pickup. But Tre was starting to look like Tre and was takes on Hill/ Adams. That’s not Douglas’ role. 1 Quote
jkeerie Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 On 10/31/2023 at 8:45 PM, BeastMaster said: I would agree with this Douglas has the size and intangibles, but Tre has more athletic ability and high IQ Would have been nice to have them as a duo with Benford and Dane as backups Expand The question is will Tre be able to come back from yet another severe injury...and be the same CB. 1 Quote
34-78-83 Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 On 10/31/2023 at 8:22 PM, stevewin said: So we're still doomed against Joe Burrrr? Expand LOL maybe. We'll see how it pans out! 1 Quote
zow2 Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 Sounds like a good acquisition. So can he play and help against Cincinnati? Quote
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 On 10/31/2023 at 8:46 PM, The Wiz said: There were two prices in that trade to happen. Bears and the players. Bears wanted a lot and Johnson wanted to get paid with an extension. Expand Agreed. Dude would have been a monster here though. 1 Quote
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 On 10/31/2023 at 8:43 PM, C.Biscuit97 said: I think it’s solid pickup but people know pff is based on nothing really. They assume coverages/ defenses. They don’t fact in game situations (like the Pack losing a lot this year) and don’t adjust for receivers you’re covering (Alexander is their number 1 cb). It’s a nice tool I guess but can be all types of misleading. that said, if there is one area where I will blindly trust McDermott is defensive back. I wonder what the price for Johnson was? Expand It isn't based off nothing and anyone can assign whatever value they like to the grade. But he's clearly playing better than the guys we got 1 1 Quote
nucci Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 On 10/31/2023 at 8:45 PM, BeastMaster said: I would agree with this Douglas has the size and intangibles, but Tre has more athletic ability and high IQ Would have been nice to have them as a duo with Benford and Dane as backups Expand what's his IQ? Is he genius level? Quote
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 A week too late for the 'players only' meeting. Typical. 🤨 * 😁 Quote
TheFunPolice Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 seems like a pretty good trade deadline type move solid CB who can play and has another year on his deal Quote
Success Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 On 10/31/2023 at 8:47 PM, zow2 said: Sounds like a good acquisition. So can he play and help against Cincinnati? Expand I'm gonna guess no - our scheme can be a bit complicated. But who knows; he'll have a few days. Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 On 10/31/2023 at 8:43 PM, BillsFanForever19 said: 😆 Expand Which ones real? 3 Quote
IronyAbounds Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 On 10/31/2023 at 7:34 PM, Big Turk said: CB for the Packers. A good player. Watch more football and you would. Expand Or have a life and watch less football. Quote
The Jokeman Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 On 10/31/2023 at 8:44 PM, Art in PNS said: So looking at finishes the Bills #rd will be closer to an Early 4th rounder and the Packers 5th will wind up being closer to a late 4th so to me is a player and swap of positions in the 4th rather than what sounds like a 2 round difference. I think its a good deal as long as he renegotiates 2024 salary . Expand Hopefully we sign him to a cap friendly extension. Quote
nedboy7 Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 On 10/31/2023 at 8:46 PM, C.Biscuit97 said: Yeah don’t get me wrong, it’s a solid pickup. But Tre was starting to look like Tre and was takes on Hill/ Adams. That’s not Douglas’ role. Expand if Dane of Benford get hurt in the next 9 games who we got? 2 Quote
Big Turk Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 On 10/31/2023 at 8:43 PM, C.Biscuit97 said: I think it’s solid pickup but people know pff is based on nothing really. They assume coverages/ defenses. They don’t fact in game situations (like the Pack losing a lot this year) and don’t adjust for receivers you’re covering (Alexander is their number 1 cb). It’s a nice tool I guess but can be all types of misleading. that said, if there is one area where I will blindly trust McDermott is defensive back. I wonder what the price for Johnson was? Expand Apparently the Steelers made a significant offer and it was rejected. 1 Quote
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) On 10/31/2023 at 8:47 PM, zow2 said: Sounds like a good acquisition. So can he play and help against Cincinnati? Expand No, he'll be inactive until he takes the oral and written exams, and delivers a TED talk on 'What the Process Means to Me'. Edited October 31, 2023 by Ridgewaycynic2013 5 Quote
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 On 10/31/2023 at 8:47 PM, zow2 said: Sounds like a good acquisition. So can he play and help against Cincinnati? Expand I would think the learning curve for cbs isn’t as hard as it is for other positions and we just need bodies. Quote
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