Week 9 thread - We’re on to Cincinnati

[NewEra]

15 minutes ago, Caesar said:

Lol, you struggle.  And yes if Burrow is injured it is weird to call him a slow starter.  You like to get in pissy battles for some reason, but allow me to agree with you on one thing:

I totally agree that Josh has had the least amount of support.  I agree that Josh is leaned upon more than Mahomes and Burrow.  I like Josh, I love his game.  He is not as "dynamic" as Mahomes who has done some crazy stuff, he is not as accurate or good a processor as Burrow, but he can do things both of those cannot do.  Only Herbert can come close to Josh's cannon arm, he is unmatched as to his overall strength - especially in the pocket, and his running is top tier albeit different than Lamar.

I have always thought if Josh could stop making so many dumb mistakes he would be QB1, but this year he hasnt been bad mentally, it is obvious the Bills simply need to get him another weapon.  Mahomes was won too much to be unseated for now, Burrow and Allen are both great in different ways with the season results being the only differentiator in most peoples eyes.

Kelce doesnt have much longer and Reid may not either, I would not be surprised to see Josh take the throne, especially if the Bills win a Super Bowl.  You like many others on Twitter are personally offended by QB rankings.  But the truth of the matter is that Josh is Top 3 in most everyone's mind and could easily rise to QB1 overall and I would not be surprised.

I like to get into pissy battles when a pisser is a poser.  Posing as a fan looking for great football talk.  If you weren’t just posing, you would simply ignore the negative posts.  But you don’t.  You quickly engage.  You engage and the tattle to your bengal brethren, exaggerating and moving the goal posts as you do so.  You have a great team.  Enjoy it.  Don’t try and make our fan base look bad on your forums.  It’s a bad look…. and will be met with pissy battles, that you clearly enjoy.

 

[zow2]

A bit off topic, but is there any way the Bills could draft Marvin Harrison Jr.  I think he’d be a nice fit here. 😜

[Beck Water]

3 hours ago, eball said:

 

No, they've said he needs to be careful with his body...that's not the same thing.

 

 

I think where Beane and the coaches got to this season, is that in theory, it is NOT the same thing

In practice, for Josh...it seems to be, because once he starts running, his competitive nature comes out, and he'll fight for every grass blade instead of "being careful with his body"

 

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

I like to get into pissy battles when a pisser is a poser.  Posing as a fan looking for great football talk.  If you weren’t just posing, you would simply ignore the negative posts.  But you don’t.  You quickly engage.

 

That was my point to the guy....if he's here for great football talk, engaging in what you call "pissy battles" (I like it) not only isn't great football talk

.....It will cause a number of strong football posters to look at what he posts, categorize him as a troll/ s h i t stirrer and ignore him.

Edited November 4, 2023 by Beck Water

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, Caesar said:

Lol, you struggle.  And yes if Burrow is injured it is weird to call him a slow starter. 

 

Why do you feel Joe Burrow requires "a pass" on his performance?

 

Other QB have started the season slowly, perhaps due to lingering injury (Mahomes at the start of 2021)

Other QB have been injured during the season and played through it, slowing them down (Josh in mid-2020, end of 2022, now)

 

Do they get a pass, or do they get "he's in a slump" or "see, he's not that good" or yes, maybe "off to a slow start"?

Edited November 4, 2023 by Beck Water

[buffaloboyinATL]

20 minutes ago, zow2 said:

A bit off topic, but is there any way the Bills could draft Marvin Harrison Jr.  I think he’d be a nice fit here. 😜

Sure. It would take a Ricky Williams/Julio Jones style, trade away the entire draft for one guy, type trade. But it is possible. 
 

and I agree. I wouldn’t even be surprised if someone took him first overall.  

[boyst]

3 hours ago, Caesar said:

 

Gotcha, in all my years of posting on message boards I can tell you that not once have I read a Benglas fan trash the city of Buffalo and ALL the people that live there, much less an entire state like that.  Interesting to see that you condone this.

Bengals beat the Ravens for Buffalo, rooted for the Bills in the playoffs thereafter, and Cincy totally respected the Hamlin incident.  Trash like that simply reeks of jealousy and childish anger due to the Bengals current success, IMHO.  You guys stay classy and do you.

I'm gonna go to the eagles board and draw up support for the Vikings. 

18 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Why do you feel Joe Burrow requires "a pass" on his performance?

 

Other QB have started the season slowly, perhaps due to lingering injury (Mahomes at the start of 2021)

Other QB have been injured during the season and played through it, slowing them down (Josh in mid-2020, end of 2022, now)

 

Do they get a pass, or do they get "he's in a slump" or "see, he's not that good" or yes, maybe "off to a slow start"?

Fact. Jon kitna had better starts for the Bengals 🤣🤣🤣

[bills742]

3 hours ago, Caesar said:

 

Gotcha, in all my years of posting on message boards I can tell you that not once have I read a Benglas fan trash the city of Buffalo and ALL the people that live there, much less an entire state like that.  Interesting to see that you condone this.

Bengals beat the Ravens for Buffalo, rooted for the Bills in the playoffs thereafter, and Cincy totally respected the Hamlin incident.  Trash like that simply reeks of jealousy and childish anger due to the Bengals current success, IMHO.  You guys stay classy and do you.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/eli-apple-stefon-diggs-damar-hamlin-tweet-bengals-bills/hpfg0v3iogjgyevmbk7qovhw

[Beck Water]

On 10/29/2023 at 9:27 PM, strive_for_five_guy said:

If this game doesn’t bode well, I don’t know what will.  We’ve got a few extra days to prepare and no new injuries.  No excuses if we lose this one.

 

Well, for starters, a QB who doesn't DNP Weds with a sore shoulder.  Don't you think an uninjured starting QB could be a key factor?

 

2 hours ago, Caesar said:

I have always thought if Josh could stop making so many dumb mistakes he would be QB1, but this year he hasnt been bad mentally

 

Josh has been bad mentally in several games, starting with the opener at the Jets.

Edited November 4, 2023 by Beck Water

[Chandler#81]

Me on the Bengals

https://x.com/ja17mvp/status/1720841606419402879?s=61

[EmotionallyUnstable]

Josh Norman elevated for tmrws game. 
 

per bills app

[finn]

42 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

Sure. It would take a Ricky Williams/Julio Jones style, trade away the entire draft for one guy, type trade. But it is possible. 
 

and I agree. I wouldn’t even be surprised if someone took him first overall.  

I'll settle for George Pickens in exchange for our first. 

[Caesar]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

Why do you feel Joe Burrow requires "a pass" on his performance?

 

Other QB have started the season slowly, perhaps due to lingering injury (Mahomes at the start of 2021)

Other QB have been injured during the season and played through it, slowing them down (Josh in mid-2020, end of 2022, now)

 

Do they get a pass, or do they get "he's in a slump" or "see, he's not that good" or yes, maybe "off to a slow start"?

 

I think any player, especially QB, gets a pass playing hurt.  I defended Allen and Herbert last season.  I may be alone in this thought but in order to play QB well any injury is going to impact every aspect of their game.
 

34 minutes ago, bills742 said:

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/eli-apple-stefon-diggs-damar-hamlin-tweet-bengals-bills/hpfg0v3iogjgyevmbk7qovhw

 

Eli Apple is not a Bengals fan nor is he on the team, and many Bengals fans chastised him many times.  We dont miss the guy.  Im not harping on the Bills because McKenzie made some strange comment about playing in the snow. 
 

28 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

 

 

Josh has been bad mentally in several games, starting with the opener at the Jets.

You would know much better than me, the redzone turnovers last season were just so bad, I havent seen him have any of those.  I did watch the Jets game and his play cost you guys.   But from an outsides point of view he seems more under control this season thus far.

Edited November 4, 2023 by Caesar

[Warriorspikes51]

I don’t agree with the decision to have Fournette inactive. This staff’s obsession with process and trust is a bit too much.

 

he doesn’t know most of the playbook yet, fine.  Scheme half a dozen plays for him including red zone carries

 

why is that so hard?

 

you’re telling me Ty Johnson is going to make more of an impact than Lenny? Or a 5th LB, 4th Safety?  
 

we NEED physicality for this game especially. Disappointing

Edited November 4, 2023 by Warriorspikes51

[Caesar]

12 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

Josh Norman elevated for tmrws game. 
 

per bills app

 

Is Benford expected to play?  I have no idea of his advanced stats but he looks very good in the games Ive watched.  

Are you guys expecting him Rasul to play much?  He is not very fast but he is a big strong body, he would be tough for us vs Tee Higgins, who himself is not very fast.

I definitely prefer Norman over either of these guys.... thanks in advance for any info.

[Warriorspikes51]

2 minutes ago, Caesar said:

 

Is Benford expected to play?  I have no idea of his advanced stats but he looks very good in the games Ive watched.  

Are you guys expecting him Rasul to play much?  He is not very fast but he is a big strong body, he would be tough for us vs Tee Higgins, who himself is not very fast.

I definitely prefer Norman over either of these guys.... thanks in advance for any info.

Uhhh what? Did you you type the last part wrong?

[Caesar]

1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Uhhh what? Did you you type the last part wrong?

Im a Bengals fan Warrior.  I'd love to see Norman instead of Benford or Rasul vs our offense.   Im sure you may disagree. 

[Beck Water]

3 hours ago, Success said:

Man, I really don't like how it's becoming some sort of consensus that JA is 3rd behind Mahomes & Burrow.

 

Mahomes has earned his top spot. But Burrow?  I respect his game, but in no way would I ever trade Allen for him.  Allen can do more & is a better improviser, imo.  

 

The argument always seems to come down to, well, he's made a SB.  He likely wouldn't have if we held on in the 13 seconds game.  And it's a thin argument, anyway.

 

I don't think it's just that he's won a Superbowl.

 

Burrow seems to be more of a system QB, by which I mean nothing negative, just that he's shown he can play effectively and consistently within the structure of the offensive play design (system), take advantage of his elite weapons, and effectively use what the defense gives him.  And he does have 3 elite receiving weapons and the support of a strong run game.

 

Allen to date has at times played within the structure of the offensive play design and taken advantage of what the defense gives him, but he also goes outside the playbook and creates when he doesn't have to at times.  This is a double edged sword. He can be brilliant, and he can also contribute majorly to the loss of the game.  I think both to elevate his game to the next level, AND to be perceived as a top QB, Allen needs to show mastery of operating within the structure of the offense on a more consistent basis.

[Caesar]

8 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I don't think it's just that he's won a Superbowl.

 

Burrow seems to be more of a system QB, by which I mean nothing negative, just that he's shown he can play effectively and consistently within the structure of the offensive play design (system), take advantage of his elite weapons, and effectively use what the defense gives him.  And he does have 3 elite receiving weapons and the support of a strong run game.

 

Allen to date has at times played within the structure of the offensive play design and taken advantage of what the defense gives him, but he also goes outside the playbook and creates when he doesn't have to at times.  This is a double edged sword. He can be brilliant, and he can also contribute majorly to the loss of the game.  I think both to elevate his game to the next level, AND to be perceived as a top QB, Allen needs to show mastery of operating within the structure of the offense on a more consistent basis.

 

Great points.  I can share that Bengals and KC fans go back and forth with the, "If Pat had Chase, Higgins, Boyd...", and we reply if, "Joe went to a playoff team out of college, a solid org with money, HOF TE Kelce, Tyreek Hill, and Andy Reid...."

But there is no retort when it comes to Josh, he hasnt had a bevy of weapons, Daboll was really solid but no Andy Reid & the current OC is a still a question mark.  The Bills are a better overall org than Cincy, but Josh came from a community college and Wyoming whereas Joe learned at Ohio State and LSU.  

When it comes to opportunities given, Josh has risen so much higher with less than almost every QB.  

Edited November 4, 2023 by Caesar

[Dr.Sack]

Rewatching the playoff game last night and saw a lot of Joe Burrow climbing the pocket. Our edge rushers simply over pursued upfield leaving huge gaps for Burrow to climb the pocket and deliver accurate 2nd window throws to Chase, Hurst, Higgins.
 

My guess is McDermott will have a plan in place to rush tighter or collapse the interior pocket, either through running stunts, or sending delayed pressure from Bernard, Johnson, or Poyer. 
 

 

 

[Warriorspikes51]

8 minutes ago, Caesar said:

Im a Bengals fan Warrior.  I'd love to see Norman instead of Benford or Rasul vs our offense.   Im sure you may disagree. 

Ohhh haha!