Week 9 thread - We’re on to Cincinnati

[buffaloboyinATL]

6 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Why has SF offense struggled the last few weeks?

Because they don’t have Deebo Samuel.  That is not an excuse, it is a reality.  Some players make a big difference.  

[EasternOHBillsFan]

11 minutes ago, boater said:

Hate to break it to you, but the Bills roster is not all that talented.

 

The 2022 Pro Bowl players we had says otherwise.

[2003Contenders]

8 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

Because they don’t have Deebo Samuel.  That is not an excuse, it is a reality.  Some players make a big difference.  

That is true. Also, there is a reason why Purdy was the last player selected in the 2022 draft. He has operated in Shanahan's offense brilliantly, but his physical talent is somewhat limited. There is now ample film is out on him and defenses are beginning to figure him out.

[Royale with Cheese]

16 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

This past week they still put up numbers but the main reason they lost the last two games is the quarterback giving the ball away. Purdy has thrown 3 touchdowns and 5 interceptions the past 3 games....he had zero the first 5 games.

 

Deebo Samuel being hurt sunday did not help either.

 

Samuel and Trent Williams.  

 

I keep asking him because he keeps saying "injuries are an excuse for the Bills defense, next man up".  He doesn't believe that injuries should effect production.

[gordong]

On 10/30/2023 at 7:07 AM, GunnerBill said:

No. The Bills defense is not in position without two of its best 3 players to win us games against the best teams. If the Bills can keep Cincy below 30 that would be a huge win. Realistically these big games are going to have to be won by the offense. 

 

The Bills D has played well vs Tyrod and Baker for the most part. They sucked against the Patriots and that was largely on McDermott's gameplan IMO. But they simply don't have the horses at the moment to hold the Bengals. 

 

The rest of the way the offense will have to carry is in the heavyweight matchups. They are the ones under the microscope IMO.

if this is the thought process,  they better go out and get a big time #2 Wr. because we don't have that Offense this year.

Edited October 31, 2023 by gordong

[Big Turk]

6 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Samuel and Trent Williams.  

 

I keep asking him because he keeps saying "injuries are an excuse for the Bills defense, next man up".  He doesn't believe that injuries should effect production.

 

If the only way you can look good is by having an offense stacked with playmakers then you simply aren't that good.  Like how much talent do you need to look good?

 

I am pretty sure there are a good number of QB's that could do a lot better than what Purdy has with Aiyuk, Kittle and McCaffery still healthy.

Edited October 31, 2023 by Big Turk

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, Big Turk said:

 

If the only way you can look good is by having an offense stacked with playmakers then you simply aren't that good.  Like how much talent do you need to look good?

 

I am pretty sure there are a good number of QB's that could do a lot better than what Purdy has with Aiyuk, Kittle and McCaffery still healthy.

 

It's two critical pieces to their offense which includes their best playmaker.  If the Eagles lost Lane Johnson and AJ Brown...they would be tough on them as well.

[MikePJ76]

36 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Samuel and Trent Williams.  

 

I keep asking him because he keeps saying "injuries are an excuse for the Bills defense, next man up".  He doesn't believe that injuries should effect production.

well yes injuries but they are still moving the ball.

 

Purdy's 5 interceptions are the direct reason.  

[Success]

The Bengals fans I've seen online seem remarkably unconcerned about Sunday's game.

 

I mean, we might go out & look like we did in both games last year - overmatched.  But the NFL can be pretty nutty. You can blow a team out one year, and then lose to them the next - it's actually happened.

 

[Big Turk]

4 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

well yes injuries but they are still moving the ball.

 

Purdy's 5 interceptions are the direct reason.  

 

Should have been 6 but he got bailed out by a roughing the passer penalty.  And it was a terrible throw right to the defender.

2 minutes ago, Success said:

The Bengals fans I've seen online seem remarkably unconcerned about Sunday's game.

 

I mean, we might go out & look like we did in both games last year - overmatched.  But the NFL can be pretty nutty. You can blow a team out one year, and then lose to them the next - it's actually happened.

 

 

us against Kansas City for instance.

[MikePJ76]

https://twitter.com/JennaCottrell/status/1719367197800235263?s=20

[Big Turk]

 

[PBF81]

1 hour ago, Boatdrinks said:

I think it’s undeniable that the Bills defensive floor is lower with their current lineup. That means the offense has to carry the team, and they haven’t been as of late . That’s a serious problem going forward ; one that largely falls on scheme/ coaching imo. We saw improvements vs Tampa when they made a few changes to their approach - at least for 3 quarters.  They need to do more of this, not less as the schedule/ competition gets tougher down the stretch. 

 

That is undeniable, that the "defensive floor is lower with their current lineup."  

 

But what is not undeniable is that this defense still has plenty of talent to put out at least a halfway decent defense, which in this era of NFL football is all that's required, per the last two SB winners, providing that a team has a top offense.  Which we should, but right now do not, have.  

 

To the extent that that "defensive floor is lower with their current lineup," again, that's a Beane issue.  

 

The only player that the D should have major issues working around is Milano, but if you've read what I've written, I've warned about this for at least the past two drafts.  Now, if I can envision this, the "expert(s)" should easily be able to as well.  It's not complicated, but it is a difference of philosophy.  

 

I realize I'm merely adding to what you said, but just sayin'.  Everyone throwing the towel in on our D is getting old.  Make it work to an average D level.  If we cannot do that with Oliver, AJE, Groot, Floyd in the front-7, then find someone that can.  Bernard's even playing much much better than anticipated.  Williams or Dodson may not be, but hey, again, anyone upset over that needs to check with Beane, first, for even drafting Williams, but secondly, for drafting the same exact type of player that Bernard is more relevantly.  Perhaps a bigger LB acquired by free-agency as well would have been better insurance.  They obviously didn't want that and believed that smaller "faster" LBs that could cover the pass were better.   Well, now their theory is being put to the test.  If they don't like it, they need to go stand in front of a mirror.  

 

 

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Before Milano's injury, there wasn't a better duo of linebackers in the NFL.  We don't need bigger linebackers, the speed is the difference.

 

OK, great.  Then McD needs to work around that.  If we don't have what we need and our D goes from top two or three to bottom five, that's a Beane & coaching issue.  

 

And if "speed is the difference," then we should be fine.  Williams is fast enough.  

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

14 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

OK, great.  Then McD needs to work around that.  If we don't have what we need and our D goes from top two or three to bottom five, that's a Beane & coaching issue.  

 

And if "speed is the difference," then we should be fine.  Williams is fast enough.  

 

 

 

That's where we can agree.  It shouldn't go to bottom 5 but when you lose a your best at 3 different levels on the defense, they are going to take a step back.  

Stopping Joe Burrow is a tall task with those guys, without them it's a lot tougher.  

 

 

1 hour ago, MikePJ76 said:

well yes injuries but they are still moving the ball.

 

Purdy's 5 interceptions are the direct reason.  

 

The loss of Samuel and Williams is showing Purdy's limitations, I agree.  But that shows you how injuries can really F up a system.  

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, 2003Contenders said:

That is true. Also, there is a reason why Purdy was the last player selected in the 2022 draft. He has operated in Shanahan's offense brilliantly, but his physical talent is somewhat limited. There is now ample film is out on him and defenses are beginning to figure him out.

It’s interesting you bring that up. I remember a few years back when he was at Iowa State. He was being hailed and the next big thing so I tuned in to watch one of their opening games of that season. In short, he was terrible. It was obvious the opponents had figured him out and his draft stock plummeted. Fast forward….is it possible the same thing is happening now? 

[dave mcbride]

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

 

If the only way you can look good is by having an offense stacked with playmakers then you simply aren't that good.  Like how much talent do you need to look good?

 

I am pretty sure there are a good number of QB's that could do a lot better than what Purdy has with Aiyuk, Kittle and McCaffery still healthy.

Trent Williams is the best LT in the NFL. 

[Big Turk]

Just now, dave mcbride said:

Trent Williams is the best LT in the NFL. 

 

OK, and?  

[dave mcbride]

2 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

OK, and?  

It's a big loss. If Dawkins and Diggs went down, it'd have an effect on Allen. Obviously, Allen is better, but all QBs are dependent to an extent on the surrounding talent.

[Big Turk]

Just now, dave mcbride said:

It's a big loss. If Dawkins and Diggs went down, it'd have an effect on Allen. Obviously, Allen is better, but all QBs are dependent to an extent on the surrounding talent.

 

They still have multiple star players on offense.

[EmotionallyUnstable]