Of all of the Bills’ issues the biggest is becoming clear - Discipline

[Tipster19]

They are undisciplined. It can be debated that McDermott is the problem, which in a way he is solely based on the team being undisciplined. Others point the finger directly at Dorsey which I won’t deny. Could Josh be responsible for a good dose of mistake filled games? This point of view I can understand as well and last but not least that as a whole the team really doesn’t have great players and/or contributors outside of Diggs which I personally don’t agree with. No, it’s being undisciplined. Undisciplined teams do not win consistently or convincingly. That 4th down penalty on Jordan Phillips was the icing on the cake for me. I have zero expectations for this team. If there isn’t a drastic change or improvement with this team in being disciplined they are going nowhere. In this scenario McDermott is solely responsible for them being a mess and either he addresses it and gets it corrected or he doesn’t and that people is the biggest problem with this team.

[Donuts and Doritos]

QB who likes to scramble out of pocket & make spectacular off structure plays that aren't drawn up... 🤔 wonder where it comes from.

 

It's part of what makes them special too. 

[Joe Ferguson]

 

[whorlnut]

6 minutes ago, Tipster19 said:

They are undisciplined. It can be debated that McDermott is the problem, which in a way he is solely based on the team being undisciplined. Others point the finger directly at Dorsey which I won’t deny. Could Josh be responsible for a good dose of mistake filled games? This point of view I can understand as well and last but not least that as a whole the team really doesn’t have great players and/or contributors outside of Diggs which I personally don’t agree with. No, it’s being undisciplined. Undisciplined teams do not win consistently or convincingly. That 4th down penalty on Jordan Phillips was the icing on the cake for me. I have zero expectations for this team. If there isn’t a drastic change or improvement with this team in being disciplined they are going nowhere. In this scenario McDermott is solely responsible for them being a mess and either he addresses it and gets it corrected or he doesn’t and that people is the biggest problem with this team.

I’ve said it on here before that it seems McD has lost this team. You can hear it in his voice at pressers. He doesn’t have any answers for losses or bad play. Deflects everything and gives canned responses. I honestly think this is because of 13 seconds. I think that the team rallied and played for each other last year, but the injuries, weird snow outs, and another early exit wiped their faith in McD. I can imagine a room full of grown men that have some bitterness in their hearts that this guy might have coached away their only shot at a SB. The younger players might not feel that way, however as they have many years to compete, but nothing is guaranteed. 
 

Finally…you can see it in Allen. His body language is telling. He’s not a happy player right now and I think it’s because McD finally got the laid back version now that Daboll is gone and he can will his way on Dorsey. Allen did play with a purpose against the Bucs, and that was great to see. However, conservative play down the stretch set that game up for another last play deciding moment. I just don’t know how many times this team can rally behind mcd, but I guess it will all play itself out. 

[whorlnut]

3 minutes ago, Bogie_Klinkhammer said:

An offensive coordinator that doesn't understand the importance of a dominant running game.

The Bengals are waiting for you to change nothing with the same results

It starts at the top. You can blame Dorsey all you want, but this is how McD wants to play. It’s why him and Daboll butted heads. I’m not even saying Dorsey is great, but don’t run him up the flag pole and forget that this is how McD wants to play football. 

[PBF81]

37 minutes ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

QB who likes to scramble out of pocket & make spectacular off structure plays that aren't drawn up... 🤔 wonder where it comes from.

 

It's part of what makes them special too. 

 

Which of anything, diminishes the contribution of the coach, at least to some extent, which can also be argued that extent.  

 

 

[SCBills]

I’m not the biggest McDermott fan, but it’s wild how if Jordan Phillips doesn’t grab Baker’s face mask for absolutely no reason, nobody is having this conversation following the game. 
 

Im not saying it’s valid or not valid.. and the conservative decisions ultimately led to a point where if a mistake was made on a defensive series, you opened yourself up to this by constantly asking them to stand up .. but I struggle to go after McDermott for Thursdays game.  
 

For all the credit we give the offense for looking better, maybe they shouldn’t have put McDermott in three straight no-man’s land 4th down decisions. 

[PBF81]

3 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I’m not the biggest McDermott fan, but it’s wild how if Jordan Phillips doesn’t grab Baker’s face mask for absolutely no reason, nobody is having this conversation following the game. 
 

Im not saying it’s valid or not valid.. and the conservative decisions ultimately led to a point where if a mistake was made on a defensive series, you opened yourself up to this by constantly asking them to stand up .. but I struggle to go after McDermott for Thursdays game.  
 

For all the credit we give the offense for looking better, maybe they shouldn’t have put McDermott in three straight no-man’s land 4th down decisions. 

 

It's hardly "just one game." 

 

 

[BillsUberAlles]

53 minutes ago, Tipster19 said:

They are undisciplined. It can be debated that McDermott is the problem, which in a way he is solely based on the team being undisciplined. Others point the finger directly at Dorsey which I won’t deny. Could Josh be responsible for a good dose of mistake filled games? This point of view I can understand as well and last but not least that as a whole the team really doesn’t have great players and/or contributors outside of Diggs which I personally don’t agree with. No, it’s being undisciplined. Undisciplined teams do not win consistently or convincingly. That 4th down penalty on Jordan Phillips was the icing on the cake for me. I have zero expectations for this team. If there isn’t a drastic change or improvement with this team in being disciplined they are going nowhere. In this scenario McDermott is solely responsible for them being a mess and either he addresses it and gets it corrected or he doesn’t and that people is the biggest problem with this team.

 

A random hand on a face mask in a split second has literally nothing to do with discipline.

 

Now if players were committing personal fouls regularly after the whistle or taking constant false starts/Offside penalties or a myriad of other things that show lack of discipline, then sure.

 

But don't hold up something that has nothing do with discipline as the "shining example" of lack of discipline.

 

Makes you look like a clown.

[SCBills]

10 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

It's hardly "just one game." 

 

 

Understood, but I actually thought McDermott was good against TB. 
 

Bigger test next Sunday, but my main issue with him was that in order for us to be able to win a Super Bowl, he needs to take charge on defense and be able to do more with less.  
 

So when our defense was trash against New England, I was pretty much done with him if it continued. 
 

Only one game, but he made adjustments and the defense dominated an ok offense with the best receiving weapons we’ve seen all season outside Miami.   He did so, in part, by making an interesting adjustment with three Safeties knocking Poyer down to LB on passing downs. 
 

We’ll see if it continues, but that’s what I need to see out of him if I am to believe we can ever win a Super Bowl with him.  
 

The Offense was better.  A lot of encouraging things were shown.  They still need to be much better.  Outside of the punts, which I agreed with at the time, he allowed them to be very aggressive in offensive playcalling. 
 

They didn’t get it done in ANY of their possessions after going up 24-10.  And it was only 24-10 because of a quick change interception deep in our territory by the offense.  
 

I think the defensive injuries will tell us a lot about whether we can ever get over the hump with him.   Lots of coaches could win with the defense we had fully healthy.   That was an elite, top 2 defensive roster.  
 

Now it’s more middle of the pack.  
 

Now it’s time to see if McDermott can be the difference maker.  
 

If he can, I think we can win with him as a defensive HC. 
 

If not, what’s the point of depriving JA a consistent offensive mind? 
 

This year should be very telling…

 

Edited October 28, 2023 by SCBills

[PBF81]

Something was gonna change re: support for McD, one way or another this season, seven seasons in.

 

One can also only live on backing into the playoffs in one's inaugural season, as the worst of the other 7th-seed contenders, for so long. 

 

After 7 seasons, McD's playoff track record here is all but identical to that on Carolina when he was the DC under Rivera.  

 

There, 1 WC round loss

2 D round losses

1 SB loss

 

Here, 2 WC round losses

2 D round losses

1 CC game lots

 

Considering the difference in QBs and records of the two teams during those 6 & 7 year stretches, that's ridiculous.  

 

 

[BillsUberAlles]

6 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

Something was gonna change re: support for McD, one way or another this season, seven seasons in.

 

One can also only live on backing into the playoffs in one's inaugural season, as the worst of the other 7th-seed contenders, for so long. 

 

After 7 seasons, McD's playoff track record here is all but identical to that on Carolina when he was the DC under Rivera.  

 

There, 1 WC round loss

2 D round losses

1 SB loss

 

Here, 2 WC round losses

2 D round losses

1 CC game lots

 

Considering the difference in QBs and records of the two teams during those 6 & 7 year stretches, that's ridiculous.  

 

 

 

You realize Carolina went 15-1 one season with Newton right?

[MikePJ76]

This team two years ago had three head coaching level coaches on the staff.  For some reason they now only have one.  Why you would not want as much experience as possible when you have a team ready to compete for a championship I will never understand.  

 

Teams that win and all the great coaches have always had great and/or experienced coaches on their staffs.

[PBF81]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

Understood, but I actually thought McDermott was good against TB. 
 

Bigger test next Sunday, but my main issue with him was that in order for us to be able to win a Super Bowl, he needs to take charge on defense and be able to do more with less.  
 

So when our defense was trash against New England, I was pretty much done with him if it continued. 
 

Only one game, but he made adjustments and the defense dominated an ok offense with the best receiving weapons we’ve seen all season outside Miami.   He did so, in part, by making an interesting adjustment with three Safeties knocking Poyer down to LB on passing downs. 
 

We’ll see if it continues, but that’s what I need to see out of him if I am to believe we can ever win a Super Bowl with him.  
 

The Offense was better.  A lot of encouraging things were shown.  They still need to be much better.  Outside of the punts, which I agreed with at the time, he allowed them to be very aggressive in offensive playcalling. 
 

They didn’t get it done in ANY of their possessions after going up 24-10.  And it was only 24-10 because of a quick change interception deep in our territory by the offense.  

 

One game with marginal adjustments, at home, against a team like Tampa isn't significant.

 

Question though, since we saw some things that we haven't seen on anything close to a regular basis, how is it that they just came out now, after all this time?

 

Not a good look.  

 

The rest of the season isn't going to be McD's friend, and he's now fighting what appears to be an uphill battle against the national media.  

 

Nothing we say or do is going to matter, we can merely bicker over who's on whose lawn.  If he can't make the Conference CG nothing is going to change perception wise.  

 

And this can easily go from this to much worse to where it becomes obvious even to his stalwart apologists that he needs to go.  

 

 

[Marcus Aurelius]

55 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson said:

 

Get a Haircut, punk.

[PBF81]

1 minute ago, BillsUberAlles said:

 

You realize Carolina went 15-1 one season with Newton right?

 

Way to miss that point entirely.  

 

 

[PBF81]

17 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Understood, but I actually thought McDermott was good against TB. 
 

Bigger test next Sunday, but my main issue with him was that in order for us to be able to win a Super Bowl, he needs to take charge on defense and be able to do more with less.  
 

So when our defense was trash against New England, I was pretty much done with him if it continued. 
 

Only one game, but he made adjustments and the defense dominated an ok offense with the best receiving weapons we’ve seen all season outside Miami.   He did so, in part, by making an interesting adjustment with three Safeties knocking Poyer down to LB on passing downs. 
 

We’ll see if it continues, but that’s what I need to see out of him if I am to believe we can ever win a Super Bowl with him.  
 

The Offense was better.  A lot of encouraging things were shown.  They still need to be much better.  Outside of the punts, which I agreed with at the time, he allowed them to be very aggressive in offensive playcalling. 
 

They didn’t get it done in ANY of their possessions after going up 24-10.  And it was only 24-10 because of a quick change interception deep in our territory by the offense.  
 

I think the defensive injuries will tell us a lot about whether we can ever get over the hump with him.   Lots of coaches could win with the defense we had fully healthy.   That was an elite, top 2 defensive roster.  
 

Now it’s more middle of the pack.  
 

Now it’s time to see if McDermott can be the difference maker.  
 

If he can, I think we can win with him as a defensive HC. 
 

If not, what’s the point of depriving JA a consistent offensive mind? 
 

This year should be very telling…

 

 

One of the things that should register with everyone, is that some of the issues that arise, we've been discussing for several seasons.  

 

That says something as well.  

 

 

[SoonerBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Joe Ferguson said:

 

I see folks putting eye rolls etc emojis up, and they are Homer's that refuse to see the truth.   That truth being, McDermott is holding this team back. They are poorly coached and never consistently prepared.  The last few weeks has shown a spotlight on this.

 

This team isn't going to, let alone win. A superbowl with McDermott as HC.  We have the next schottenheimer/ Lewis coaching our beloved Bills

 

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, Joe Ferguson said:

 

 

Anyone who brings in Nick Wrong here ought to get paddled with his penis nose.  He's 100% about the clicks.  Don't give them to him.

 

https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/1647648/nick-wright-may-be-the-biggest-moron-in-the-history-of-morons-and-that-may-not-do-justice-to-how-big-of-a-moron-he-is

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, PBF81 said:

 

One of the things that should register with everyone, is that some of the issues that arise, we've been discussing for several seasons.  

 

That says something as well.  

 

 

I don’t disagree. 
 

Im just willing to see how this season plays out.

 

Ive always thought that if we’re depriving Allen of an offensive minded HC, the HC better have a huge effect on the defense, especially when it matters.  

With Frazier out of the picture, the buck stops with McD now.   And furthermore, we can lament the injuries, but those injuries didn’t make this defense bereft of talent.  They simply took us from a Top 2 defense to more middle of the pack.  
 

More NE games and I’m out.  
 

More TB games, flukeyness aside, and I’m open to withholding criticism until we see what he does when it matters.. against the elite offenses in the Playoffs.