Would you be for "Eye in the Sky" officiating?

[Royale with Cheese]

Penalties comes from a box upstairs from cameras at several different angles.

 

The on field officials control the flow of the game.

 

Is this the only way to really eliminate human error judgement?  Bad vision angles and being in the middle of the speed of the game makes it difficult.  I've done it at the HS level and I can understand why these guys make mistakes....its tougher than you think and the NFL players move much faster.  There is so much more to look at and try to focus on than what the TV broadcast view shows.

 

Still, the officiating isn't good in the NFL.  What would be your suggestions?

 

[boyst]

There used to be the eye in the sky used more often. Now it's not so much. 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Penalties comes from a box upstairs from cameras at several different angles.

 

The on field officials control the flow of the game.

 

Is this the only way to really eliminate human error judgement?  Bad vision angles and being in the middle of the speed of the game makes it difficult.  I've done it at the HS level and I can understand why these guys make mistakes....its tougher than you think and the NFL players move much faster.  There is so much more to look at and try to focus on than what the TV broadcast view shows.

 

Still, the officiating isn't good in the NFL.  What would be your suggestions?

 

 

When it works out for us. Not in games like vs the Bucs and Giants though when we got away with PI's. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Yep, or even AI

[BuffaloBillyG]

I don't know what the answer should be, but eye in the sky seems like it would disrupt the game flow. Imaging trying to run a no huddle and refs on the field trying to give the video official time to buzz in or review a possible holding call. 

 

One thing I DO wish is that the NFL was more transparent. One of the other leagues...think it was XFL...would cut to the replay officials so you could see them review a play in real time and hear what they are looking at. Same should be done for those discussions after a flag is thrown. Let's hear WHY they see these flags or not. 

Edited October 27, 2023 by BuffaloBillyG

[0017]

I’d be ok with Ai officials, take the emotion right out of it. I really think the officials have massive egos and want to be a part of the entertainment. 

[PatsFanNH]

5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Penalties comes from a box upstairs from cameras at several different angles.

 

The on field officials control the flow of the game.

 

Is this the only way to really eliminate human error judgement?  Bad vision angles and being in the middle of the speed of the game makes it difficult.  I've done it at the HS level and I can understand why these guys make mistakes....its tougher than you think and the NFL players move much faster.  There is so much more to look at and try to focus on than what the TV broadcast view shows.

 

Still, the officiating isn't good in the NFL.  What would be your suggestions?

 

IMO I rather the refs just called penalties that affect the play or with the spirit of the rule. For example the incidental Facemask to Facemask touch that happened last night isn’t called. I think more common sense and god a lot less flags need to happen. The flags ruin the flow and enjoyment of the game.

[Royale with Cheese]

4 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I don't know what the answer should be, but eye in the sky seems like it would disrupt the game flow. Imaging trying to run a no huddle and refs on the field trying to give the video official time to buzz in or review a possible holding call. 

 

One thing I DO wish is that the NFL was more transparent. One of the other leagues...think it was XFL...would cut to the replay officials so you could see them review a play in real time and hear what they are looking at. Same should be done for those discussions after a flag is thrown. Let's hear WHY they see these flags or not. 

 

I should have been more specific.

 

There are officials in the booth watching the play live and not reviewing after the play.  They get specific perfect angles in all 3 levels.

Just now, PatsFanNH said:

IMO I rather the refs just called penalties that affect the play or with the spirit of the rule. For example the incidental Facemask to Facemask touch that happened last night isn’t called. I think more common sense and god a lot less flags need to happen. The flags ruin the flow and enjoyment of the game.

 

The one thing that really sucks is every single time we have a big play or score, I immediately look for flags before I start celebrating.  It's a delayed celebration for me.

[PatsFanNH]

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

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The one thing that really sucks is every single time we have a big play or score, I immediately look for flags before I start celebrating.  It's a delayed celebration for me.

Hey at least your team is good, every time a big play happens for mine I am expecting the flag this year.. I’m like “ok what did they do wrong now..”

[Einstein]

5 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Yep, or even AI

As someone who writes AI scripts, we are not at the point where it could be used in a live game. Too much nuance. 

For example, you could set to calculate contact/distance in relation to the ball on PI, but it would be hard to have it understand the difference between minor hand checking and a foul. It would also take incredible computing power to do in real-time.
 

There would also be holding called on the offensive line every play. 

Baseball is easy, because it is simply tracking one object against a pre-defined strike zone of minor variance in heights.

[Livinginthepast]

Just give coaches a challenge on penalties. 1 per half. If they are wrong lose a time out. The last thing you want is upstairs calling penalties. There could be a penalty on every down.

[Einstein]

5 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

IMO I rather the refs just called penalties that affect the play

I share this opinion with you.

If DB2 is holding on the left side of the field and the QB never even looked that direction on a quick out to the right, does that really need to be called? In my opinion - no.

If a player minorly grabs a facemask when the ball carrier is already 3/4 of the way to the ground, does that really need to be called? Again, in my opinion - no.

Call fouls in instances that affect what happened on that play.

[Warcodered]

I think it's tough because while everybody would obviously want the calls to get made right all the time they also want the right level of flexibility that avoids just a bunch of ticky tack calls being made all the time.

[GoBills808]

Generally no

 

It's a game played by imperfect humans meant to be officiated by those same humans imo

[ddaryl]

the game needs consistency from a referee stand point. Technology will be introduced in the next few years IMO

[Bangarang]

I still prefer guys in their 60’s making judgement calls. I also like seeing out of shape people bringing out two poles attached to a 10 yard chain to see if there was a 1st down. 

[dorquemada]

I've been saying for years that we could absolutely develop an AI driven video analytics platform that could do a much better job than the human refs.  Even if all the platform did is inform the refs that there had been a penalty so they could throw the flag and keep all the ritual involved

 

The current state of officiating is so bad right now that one could argue that the NFL is entertainment, not sport

[Big Turk]

You could call penalties on literally every play...that would be taking it too far and penalties would be getting called far too frquently.

[Mango]

I want there to be a play clock buzzer like a shot clock in basketball. 

It is such a weird antiquated process at the moment. 

[Royale with Cheese]

7 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Generally no

 

It's a game played by imperfect humans meant to be officiated by those same humans imo

 

This is the way I feel.