The Big Lie we were fed that McDermott is a disciplined, prepared, hard worker

[Fleezoid]

[T master]

On 10/27/2023 at 11:59 AM, HomeskillitMoorman said:

The proof is in the pudding on how untrue all of this has always been. Being good at game and time management is all about hard work and preparation. Same with being composed in big moments and at the end of games and your players understanding end of game situations. 

 

This guy still makes the same exact mistakes he did in his rookie head coach season from 6 years ago. He literally hasn't learned a thing. Our players are clueless and undisciplined in big moments in the game. Look at last night's Hail Mary. It's not like we've been burned before on those in McD's tenure. It shouldn't even take that because a  good head coach prepares for situations that they haven't even been burned by. With 13 seconds, I found it absurd that people were giving him the excuse of that being a learning experience when any head coach at any level should know what to do there. I'm not sure anything would even change if we were in that situation again given what we've seen from these other scenarios. 

 

The scapegoating of other coaches has also been the mantra of McD's apologists. It was Frazier that was too soft and conservative with "his" defense...McD is the head coach. He has YEARS to change anything he didn't like about what was supposedly Frazier's defense or replace him or take over himself. The fact is it's HIS defense because it's HIS team. It's the same with the offense. We keep seeing these shotgun runs on goaline situations that are repeated disasters. Yes Dorsey is a big problem...but who is letting him be that? McD hears those playcalls and is on the line, he can interject anytime he wants to. He is NOT a helpless bystander. It's HIS team. If he can't handle all of that, then guess what, that means he can't handle all of the responsibilities of a Head Coach. 

 

The majority of coaches in this league could have won the last few years with the talent we've had. The good ones probably could have won a SB. We still have a guy that after all these years still craps his pants and takes these horrible defensive timeouts when the opposition's offense is scrambling to get the next play off as time is winding down to give them time to compose themselves. That happens because again he is completely unprepared for those moments in the game.  Preparation takes discipline and hard work. 

 

I remember during this whole regime all of these propaganda articles about how disciplined, gritty, and hard working this guy is. What an absolute joke. A hard worker would show a significant amount of improvement as a coach throughout all of these years. I agree with people that Andy Reid didn't work hard to improve his time and game management skills either. But the comparisons to him are ridiculous too when Reid went to what, 4 NFC championships and a Superbowl in his first 6 years?? With a lesser QB. What are we even talking about here? 

 

I'm glad a growing number of people here are actually willing to see this right now rather than just blindly defending him like what's been going on for years here. When does the "he'll learn from this" excuse for the same mistakes over and over and over expire? In year 10? Year 20? 

 

I hope there's some kind of miracle and he somehow "gets it", but when he hasn't done a thing to put in the slightest bit of work to improve himself over the last 6 years, it's hard to believe it's going to happen mid-season. I hope the talent wins out enough for us to compete...but sadly we're not winning a SB with this guy now or ever. 

 

Please Please just GET OVER IT !! Why don't you do us all a favor & become a Cardinals fan then you would truly have something to B**CH about !! 

[DrDawkinstein]

On 10/31/2023 at 7:14 PM, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

I reduced it to just the ones on your list with better winning percentages 

 

Personally, I think it would be more fair to reduce it to the coaches with Super Bowl victories, since that is what we are talking about here: getting over the hump.

 

Which still gives us 6, but swaps Pederson in for Shanny:

 

Andy Reid

Mike Tomlin

Sean McVay

Pederson

John Harbaugh 

Pete Carroll 

 

All of them have been to the promised land, which is what we are after.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Personally, I think it would be more fair to reduce it to the coaches with Super Bowl victories, since that is what we are talking about here: getting over the hump.

 

Which still gives us 6, but swaps Pederson in for Shanny:

 

Andy Reid

Mike Tomlin

Sean McVay

Pederson

John Harbaugh 

Pete Carroll 

 

All of them have been to the promised land, which is what we are after.

 

Andy Reid 2/25

Mike Tomlin 1/7

Sean McVay 1/19

Pederson 1/7

John Harbaugh 1/15

Pete Carroll 1/13

 

seems like a pretty random occurrence but on average 1 in 12 years for these coaches. 
 

so McDermott should get what, 5 more chances of you extrapolate the numbers? 

 

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

Andy Reid 2/25

Mike Tomlin 1/7

Sean McVay 1/19

Pederson 1/7

John Harbaugh 1/15

Pete Carroll 1/13

 

seems like a pretty random occurrence but on average 1 in 12 years for these coaches. 
 

so McDermott should get what, 5 more chances of you extrapolate the numbers? 

 

 

Not sure all those numbers are correct. Anyways, how about....

 

How many years into their tenure were each win?

 

Andy Reid 1 in 6yrs, 2 in 10yrs

Mike Tomlin 1 in 2yrs

McVay 1 in 4yrs

Pederson 1 in 2 yrs

Harbaugh 1 in 4 yrs

Carroll 1 in 3 yrs

 

Based on those numbers, he's overdue. And 2021 was the sweet spot.

[GoBills808]

5 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Not sure all those numbers are correct. Anyways, how about....

 

How many years into their tenure were each win?

 

Andy Reid 1 in 6yrs, 2 in 10yrs

Mike Tomlin 1 in 2yrs

McVay 1 in 4yrs

Pederson 1 in 2 yrs

Harbaugh 1 in 4 yrs

Carroll 1 in 3 yrs

 

Based on those numbers, he's overdue. And 2021 was the sweet spot.

We can make those numbers say whatever we want tbh

 

I do think that it's relevant when they got a hold of top QB play as that's basically prerequisite for a SB

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Not sure all those numbers are correct. Anyways, how about....

 

How many years into their tenure were each win?

 

Andy Reid 1 in 6yrs, 2 in 10yrs

Mike Tomlin 1 in 2yrs

McVay 1 in 4yrs

Pederson 1 in 2 yrs

Harbaugh 1 in 4 yrs

Carroll 1 in 3 yrs

 

Based on those numbers, he's overdue. And 2021 was the sweet spot.

maybe that argues to can anyone who doesn’t win it by year 4, but the fact all these guys (outside of AR) haven’t repeated is meaningful. 
 

the list of coaches who won SB with two team different is: 

[John from Riverside]

On 10/27/2023 at 9:59 AM, HomeskillitMoorman said:

The proof is in the pudding on how untrue all of this has always been. Being good at game and time management is all about hard work and preparation. Same with being composed in big moments and at the end of games and your players understanding end of game situations. 

 

This guy still makes the same exact mistakes he did in his rookie head coach season from 6 years ago. He literally hasn't learned a thing. Our players are clueless and undisciplined in big moments in the game. Look at last night's Hail Mary. It's not like we've been burned before on those in McD's tenure. It shouldn't even take that because a  good head coach prepares for situations that they haven't even been burned by. With 13 seconds, I found it absurd that people were giving him the excuse of that being a learning experience when any head coach at any level should know what to do there. I'm not sure anything would even change if we were in that situation again given what we've seen from these other scenarios. 

 

The scapegoating of other coaches has also been the mantra of McD's apologists. It was Frazier that was too soft and conservative with "his" defense...McD is the head coach. He has YEARS to change anything he didn't like about what was supposedly Frazier's defense or replace him or take over himself. The fact is it's HIS defense because it's HIS team. It's the same with the offense. We keep seeing these shotgun runs on goaline situations that are repeated disasters. Yes Dorsey is a big problem...but who is letting him be that? McD hears those playcalls and is on the line, he can interject anytime he wants to. He is NOT a helpless bystander. It's HIS team. If he can't handle all of that, then guess what, that means he can't handle all of the responsibilities of a Head Coach. 

 

The majority of coaches in this league could have won the last few years with the talent we've had. The good ones probably could have won a SB. We still have a guy that after all these years still craps his pants and takes these horrible defensive timeouts when the opposition's offense is scrambling to get the next play off as time is winding down to give them time to compose themselves. That happens because again he is completely unprepared for those moments in the game.  Preparation takes discipline and hard work. 

 

I remember during this whole regime all of these propaganda articles about how disciplined, gritty, and hard working this guy is. What an absolute joke. A hard worker would show a significant amount of improvement as a coach throughout all of these years. I agree with people that Andy Reid didn't work hard to improve his time and game management skills either. But the comparisons to him are ridiculous too when Reid went to what, 4 NFC championships and a Superbowl in his first 6 years?? With a lesser QB. What are we even talking about here? 

 

I'm glad a growing number of people here are actually willing to see this right now rather than just blindly defending him like what's been going on for years here. When does the "he'll learn from this" excuse for the same mistakes over and over and over expire? In year 10? Year 20? 

 

I hope there's some kind of miracle and he somehow "gets it", but when he hasn't done a thing to put in the slightest bit of work to improve himself over the last 6 years, it's hard to believe it's going to happen mid-season. I hope the talent wins out enough for us to compete...but sadly we're not winning a SB with this guy now or ever. 

Do better

[reddogblitz]

On 10/28/2023 at 11:16 AM, warrior9 said:

 

Do you even think before you post? You are talking about inheriting, he has to coach who is here. That team on defense was not good before McDermott coached them. Period. 

 

Are you sure?  We had the 5th best run defeamse and 5 th best pass defense in the NFL in 2016.

 

https://www.nfl.com/stats/team-stats/defense/rushing/2016/reg/all

 

https://www.nfl.com/stats/team-stats/defense/passing/2016/reg/all

 

But hey, we won the game so it's all good. There are no style points in football.

 

We are presently the top wild card team 1 behind the Fish whom we have already beat once. I refuse to piss and moan about that.  Just win baby.

 

And our QB is 2nd in the league in picks 1 behind Jimmy G. Did Coach McDermott tell him to throw those?

 

The whole team from HC on down needs to do better going forward starting Sunday night.  Football is the ultimate team game.

[Beck Water]

2 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

And our QB is 2nd in the league in picks 1 behind Jimmy G. Did Coach McDermott tell him to throw those?

 

I’m not quite sure what your point is here.  Yes, Josh Allen has the 2nd most picks right now - unless it’s the 3rd, 4th, 5th, or 6th.

Know who else that could be said of?  Pat Mahomes and Jalen Hurts.  Tua and Stafford are 1 pick behind.  Looked at as a % Allen is 7th. tied with Jalen Hurts and 0.2% worse than Pat Mahomes and Tua.  

 

Guess who is #3 in TD thrown, 1 TD behind Tua and 2 ahead of Mahomes.

 

Maybe….the league’s top QB who throw a lot of TD and just generally throw a lot, also throw a lot of picks?

 

Just a thought

 

 

[reddogblitz]

2 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

I’m not quite sure what your point is here.  Yes, Josh Allen has the 2nd most picks right now - unless it’s the 3rd, 4th, 5th, or 6th.

Know who else that could be said of?  Pat Mahomes and Jalen Hurts.  Tua and Stafford are 1 pick behind.  Looked at as a % Allen is 7th. tied with Jalen Hurts and 0.2% worse than Pat Mahomes and Tua.  

 

Guess who is #3 in TD thrown, 1 TD behind Tua and 2 ahead of Mahomes.

 

Maybe….the league’s top QB who throw a lot of TD and just generally throw a lot, also throw a lot of picks?

 

Just a thought

 

 

 

Thanks for the thought.

 

My point is just that there's plenty of blame to go around for the losses.  In the thread it seems many want to blame Coach McDermott for everything.  He certainly needs to do better but so the whole team including Wonder Boy.

[Thurman#1]

On 10/28/2023 at 2:02 AM, Big Turk said:

Uh no.  Unprepared coaches don't have the highest winning percentage in the NFL since 2020.  Way too long of a sample size to not get exposed.  Honestly, just a silly(idiotic maybe even?) take.

 

 

 

Yup.

 

Translation:  I don't like him.

 

 

Edited November 3, 2023 by Thurman#1

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

I'm hoping he can be buffalo's version of Tom Coughlin.  4-6 in the playoffs before the first super bowl.  Seemed like... kind of an a**hole, no nonsense type of dude. 

[jaybills]

On 10/27/2023 at 11:59 AM, HomeskillitMoorman said:

The proof is in the pudding on how untrue all of this has always been. Being good at game and time management is all about hard work and preparation. Same with being composed in big moments and at the end of games and your players understanding end of game situations. 

 

This guy still makes the same exact mistakes he did in his rookie head coach season from 6 years ago. He literally hasn't learned a thing. Our players are clueless and undisciplined in big moments in the game. Look at last night's Hail Mary. It's not like we've been burned before on those in McD's tenure. It shouldn't even take that because a  good head coach prepares for situations that they haven't even been burned by. With 13 seconds, I found it absurd that people were giving him the excuse of that being a learning experience when any head coach at any level should know what to do there. I'm not sure anything would even change if we were in that situation again given what we've seen from these other scenarios. 

 

The scapegoating of other coaches has also been the mantra of McD's apologists. It was Frazier that was too soft and conservative with "his" defense...McD is the head coach. He has YEARS to change anything he didn't like about what was supposedly Frazier's defense or replace him or take over himself. The fact is it's HIS defense because it's HIS team. It's the same with the offense. We keep seeing these shotgun runs on goaline situations that are repeated disasters. Yes Dorsey is a big problem...but who is letting him be that? McD hears those playcalls and is on the line, he can interject anytime he wants to. He is NOT a helpless bystander. It's HIS team. If he can't handle all of that, then guess what, that means he can't handle all of the responsibilities of a Head Coach. 

 

The majority of coaches in this league could have won the last few years with the talent we've had. The good ones probably could have won a SB. We still have a guy that after all these years still craps his pants and takes these horrible defensive timeouts when the opposition's offense is scrambling to get the next play off as time is winding down to give them time to compose themselves. That happens because again he is completely unprepared for those moments in the game.  Preparation takes discipline and hard work. 

 

I remember during this whole regime all of these propaganda articles about how disciplined, gritty, and hard working this guy is. What an absolute joke. A hard worker would show a significant amount of improvement as a coach throughout all of these years. I agree with people that Andy Reid didn't work hard to improve his time and game management skills either. But the comparisons to him are ridiculous too when Reid went to what, 4 NFC championships and a Superbowl in his first 6 years?? With a lesser QB. What are we even talking about here? 

 

I'm glad a growing number of people here are actually willing to see this right now rather than just blindly defending him like what's been going on for years here. When does the "he'll learn from this" excuse for the same mistakes over and over and over expire? In year 10? Year 20? 

 

I hope there's some kind of miracle and he somehow "gets it", but when he hasn't done a thing to put in the slightest bit of work to improve himself over the last 6 years, it's hard to believe it's going to happen mid-season. I hope the talent wins out enough for us to compete...but sadly we're not winning a SB with this guy now or ever. 

SPARE ME!

[HomeskillitMoorman]

I just don't understand the McD Apologetics here. It gets more baffling week after week. This team is a dumpster fire, that's where McD has led them. Everything is in decline. How are people not seeing this?

[DrDawkinstein]

Sean McDermott isnt Dick Jauron. He's Marvin Lewis.

[dorquemada]

This team is a reflection of the coach.  The game has passed him by, and whatever his management style is (clapping? who tf does that?) does not work with the type of players that are on this team.  Hiring Dorkey as OC absolutely wreaks of nepotism or at least lazy hiring. 

7 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Sean McDermott isnt Dick Jauron. He's Marvin Lewis.

 

Nonetheless, it's hard to win in the NFL, Dr Dawkinstein

[LABILLBACKER]

On 11/2/2023 at 6:49 PM, John from Riverside said:

Do better

Only lemmings continue to support McD.

10 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Sean McDermott isnt Dick Jauron. He's Marvin Lewis.

Exactly...he's somewhere between Schottenheimer & Lewis.  And if that's the coach you want then enjoy lemmings.

[DrDawkinstein]

3 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Only lemmings continue to support McD.

Exactly...he's somewhere between Schottenheimer & Lewis.  And if that's the coach you want then enjoy lemmings.

 

The best comment I've seen this season has been:

 

"Sean McDermott is the type of coach who can take a bottom-5 team to the Wildcard. He is also the type of coach who will take a top-5 team to the Wildcard."

[FilthyBeast]

Like I've said before, McD showed the world exactly who he is with the '13 second' debacle. You simply don't come back from that and that was proved definitively in the playoffs last year when they lucked out beating an injury riddle Dolphins team down to a rookie 3rd string QB and then getting curb stomped by the Bengals the following week.

 

Can he continue to be a guy that gets a team to the playoffs under the right circumstances? Maybe, but it's clear that his message is stale and no longer resonating with this team as a whole which should be more than enough reason to move on from him despite the recent contract extension.