Let's talk about that Hail Mary

[LABILLBACKER]

First let me say there's no way that game shouldn't have ended 31-10.  McDorsey got super conservative and allowed TB to creep back.  No jugular at all.  We've seen poor Hail Mary defense by us before.  The pass rush allowed Baker to heave it.  And once that ball is in the air, anything can happen.  Thank God it hit the ground before Godwin could see it.

 

We're seeing the same mistakes over and over.  Ridiculous late game TO's that benefit the opposing team. Undisciplined stupid penalties all game which is 100% reflection of your coach(s).  You McD fanboys can follow him till the bitter end.  But our record since 2020 is much more a testament to Josh's athleticism that any brilliant game scheming from McD.

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

Josh’s interception was a killer too…

 

It’s not just on Dorsey 

That play call on the interception was bad. You have your entire OL pulling left and you expect Josh to beat the one guy blitzing on the right?  He blew up that play before Josh made the bad decision to still throw it.  Keep one dame OLineman or TE on the right to protect or at least chip the guy.  Hated that call.

[ChrisWatson#21]

Why does McDermott rush four constantly in these situations?  You rush only two and drop nine or you bring the house so the WR’s don’t have enough time to sprint to the endzone.  Hail Murray, Chargers game, Colts playoff game, 13 seconds and now this.  How many more times does it need to happen until he realizes he has it all wrong?  

[Aussie Joe]

Just now, LABILLBACKER said:

That play call on the interception was bad. You have your entire OL pulling left and you expect Josh to beat the one guy blitzing on the right?  He blew up that play before Josh made the bad decision to still throw it.  Keep one dame OLineman or TE on the right to protect or at least chip the guy.  Hated that call.

Hate the call… but just throw it away 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

5 minutes ago, ChrisWatson#21 said:

Why does McDermott rush four constantly in these situations?  You rush only two and drop nine or you bring the house so the WR’s don’t have enough time to sprint to the endzone.  Hail Murray, Chargers game, Colts playoff game, 13 seconds and now this.  How many more times does it need to happen until he realizes he has it all wrong?  

Right. It’s a microcosm of how he doesn’t do anything to improve himself. 

[PromoTheRobot]

2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Agree on everything, except the blatant PI. That happens on every Hail Mary, and it goes both ways. Refs know the Offense AND Defense are both jockeying for position. So very very unlikely they ever make that call. You simply arent going to avoid the contact on Hail Marys and luckily that is already understood.

 

Did everyone forget the "just give it to em" Pats game November 29, 1998? A PI flag on a Hail Mary is what happened. 

 

 

[ngbills]

41 minutes ago, Bob Jones said:

So it would be 5 rushers vs 5 O linemen, with 1 of those rushers being a DB? What makes you think that a DB is a sure thing to beat an O lineman? I like the rush 2 and drop back 9 scheme much better.

You can’t block multiple guys coming around the edge. There is no rb help on a Hail Mary or safety valve hot route. 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

Fortunately there was no pass interference because all the Bills players fell down in the end zone

 

[DeltaDigital]

8 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Did everyone forget the "just give it to em" Pats game November 29, 1998? A PI flag on a Hail Mary is what happened. 

 

 

Holy christ, what a fraud. 

[Process]

13 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

That play call on the interception was bad. You have your entire OL pulling left and you expect Josh to beat the one guy blitzing on the right?  He blew up that play before Josh made the bad decision to still throw it.  Keep one dame OLineman or TE on the right to protect or at least chip the guy.  Hated that call.

Maybe Josh should have identified the Blitzer and checked out of that play? We have no way of knowing. 

 

We do know that Josh shouldn't have thrown that ball.

[LABILLBACKER]

12 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

Hate the call… but just throw it away 

No doubt, Josh was already out of the pocket.  He definitely should have. He was lucky he wasn't sacked. Some of these play structures are so bad. At least the hurry up 11P helped tremendously last night. And Josh returned to running. 

[Aussie Joe]

2 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

No doubt, Josh was already out of the pocket.  He definitely should have. He was lucky he wasn't sacked. Some of these play structures are so bad. At least the hurry up 11P helped tremendously last night. And Josh returned to running. 

It’s one play on Josh … and I acknowledge that he played pretty well last night otherwise…

 

But it just annoys me because it just let them hang around …

 

 

[ExiledInIllinois]

4 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

Fortunately there was no pass interference because all the Bills players fell down in the end zone

 

Poyer was shoved by Mike Evans. Pretty clear & blatant. 

[HappyDays]

39 minutes ago, Wraith said:

Donte Stallworth (former NFL receiver, current analyst) says the Bills played the hail mary "perfectly." Here a few snippets from his thread on Twitter.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah this is a case of people not understanding the play. We played the whole thing exactly right and the Bucs were nowhere close to coming down with it. To be fair Al Michaels is totally clueless and his replay analysis of that play is really what's driving this entire discussion. How do you announce football games for as long as he has and still not understand the player responsibilities on hail marys?

[RiotAct]

2 hours ago, Process said:

 

two thoughts:

 

1.) Taron shoves Poyer to the ground, consciously and purposely too.  Reasoning for this?

 

2.) Lots of empty seats… did people leaving during that 7-minute scoring drive by the Bucs or something? (work/school in the morning… haha)

[Big Turk]

Apparently The Bills D played it terribly according to most posters, but Donte Stallworth, you know, an NFL WR who has been involved in them and knows the assignments very well says the Bills D deserves credit for "executing the defense of the Hail Mary perfectly". But what does he know? Carry on.

 

 

 

 

6 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

two thoughts:

 

1.) Taron shoves Poyer to the ground, consciously and purposely too.  Reasoning for this?

 

2.) Lots of empty seats… did people leaving during that 7-minute scoring drive by the Bucs or something? (work/school in the morning… haha)

 

1) No he doesn't, if you watch the reverse angle you clearly see it was Mike Evans who shoves Poyer down.  

Edited October 27, 2023 by Big Turk

[K-9]

The Hail Mary has it’s place, but I’d like to see some Our Fathers thrown in from time to time.

[Seventeen]

2 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

Why are we rushing 4 guys in these situations is absurd to me.  
 

Put 9 guys back there.  Rush 2.  Should have been doing that from play 1 of the Bucs last possession.  

 

This - put Rousseau in the end zone.

 

 

[Big Turk]

4 minutes ago, K-9 said:

The Hail Mary has it’s place, but I’d like to see some Our Fathers thrown in from time to time.

 

What about the Ave Maria?

[Norcalbillsfan]

2 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Godwin was lost that whole play and was at no point a  threat to catch that pass.  This is all getting massively overblown.  Mike evans straight up knocked over 1/3rd of our team with a blatant opi which definitely didn’t help things.. if we got called for dpi on that play and they got away with that I never would’ve watched football again 🤣 

I dont know man, I saw it different. Godwin has excellent hands and is a good wr. If he turns around half a second sooner I'd bet he catches that ball. It almost hit him.

 

But I agree there was opi and dpi all over the place I'm glad the refs finally let it just play out.