Let's talk about that Hail Mary

[Success]

Sorry if there was another thread on this - I didn't see anything.

 

But that was alarming.  I don't think I have seen a defense that had such poor positioning and awareness on a final heave.  It looked like most of the defenders had their backs to the ball - maybe all of them.  Some of them were committing pretty blatant PI.  They looked lost and confused.

 

And obviously, if Godwin just turns around a half second sooner, he basically makes an easy catch for the win.

 

That's extremely poor situational coaching. It really looked like they had never practiced defending a Hail Mary.

 

[Logic]

Yeah it was bad. It was ugly.

One can only hope it's something they will work on.



 

[Big Turk]

21 minutes ago, Success said:

Sorry if there was another thread on this - I didn't see anything.

 

But that was alarming.  I don't think I have seen a defense that had such poor positioning and awareness on a final heave.  It looked like most of the defenders had their backs to the ball - maybe all of them.  Some of them were committing pretty blatant PI.  They looked lost and confused.

 

And obviously, if Godwin just turns around a half second sooner, he basically makes an easy catch for the win.

 

That's extremely poor situational coaching. It really looked like they had never practiced defending a Hail Mary.

 

 

Evans also committed blatant PI and was the reason why Poyer went flying to the ground and took out 2 other Bills players with him.  Perhaps that is why there was such poor positioning?

[Zag20]

Also shouldn’t Davis and maybe Kincaid be in in that play?

[Process]

 

[Bermuda Triangle]

It’s not like the Bills had previously been in similar situations, and been burned in said situations…

Edited October 27, 2023 by Bermuda Triangle

[Big Turk]

4 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

It’s not like the Bills had previously been in similar situations, and been burned in said situations…

 

Have also been in more situations where they haven't as well.

 

 

Let's talk about it... la...la-da-da-da-da...da-da-da-da-da-dada-da da

 

Edited October 27, 2023 by Big Turk

[falgobofu]

Why did (what looks to be Taron Johnson) push Poyer down?!?! How are we so inept at defensing this play? It is mind boggling 

 

[Big Turk]

Just now, falgobofu said:

Why did (what looks to be Taron Johnson) push Poyer down?!?! How are we so inept at defensing this play? It is mind boggling 

 

 

He didn't...if you see the reverse angle, you see it was Mike Evans who shoved him down.

[Alphadawg7]

2 things blow my mind about this team...can we return a punt without a penalty and can we defend a freaking hail mary? 

 

If we are honest with ourselves, a case can be made we should be 0-4 in our last 4 games during our weakest part of our schedule if not for some luck on the final play of the Giants and Bucs game.  It is crazy how we put ourselves in these situations, especially in a game we should have won with a blowout but shot ourselves so many times in the foot this game that we allowed this hail mary attempt to even happen in the first place.

Edited October 27, 2023 by Alphadawg7

[DrDawkinstein]

34 minutes ago, Success said:

 Some of them were committing pretty blatant PI. 

 

 

 

Agree on everything, except the blatant PI. That happens on every Hail Mary, and it goes both ways. Refs know the Offense AND Defense are both jockeying for position. So very very unlikely they ever make that call. You simply arent going to avoid the contact on Hail Marys and luckily that is already understood.

[JaCrispy]

13 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Evans also committed blatant PI and was the reason why Poyer went flying to the ground and took out 2 other Bills players with him.  Perhaps that is why there was such poor positioning?

[poblano]

13 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Evans also committed blatant PI and was the reason why Poyer went flying to the ground and took out 2 other Bills players with him.  Perhaps that is why there was such poor positioning?

And such a big space in front of Goodwin 

[Franco_92]

13 minutes ago, Process said:

 

It looked bad live, but in this clip I don't see a whole lot of egregious play from the Bills. It's a very low percentage play that didn't work. Any flag you could call on the bills could be canceled by what Evans did

[Aussie Joe]

What about Vons penalty the play before?

 

He was making sure Baker could reach the end zone on the Hail Mary ?…

 

You know … this team is strange … is it bad luck ?  Seems to happen way to often..

[Franco_92]

Just now, Aussie Joe said:

What about Vons penalty the play before?

 

He was making sure Baker could reach the end zone on the Hail Mary ?…

 

You know … this team is strange … is it bad luck ?  Seems to happen way to often..

Von going offside was the worst part of the last drive, AINEC.

[MAJBobby]

14 minutes ago, Process said:

 

Must watch Clip.  Dan breaks down this play VERY WELL

[Success]

14 minutes ago, Process said:

 

 

That was pretty informative.  Makes me feel a little better about it.

 

[Aussie Joe]

3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

2 things blow my mind about this team...can we return a punt without a penalty and can we defend a freaking hail mary?  

 

Honestly, I had a bad feeling going into that play and we should have had another Billsy loss.  

 

In our last 4 games we are 2-2...but should we be 0-4 if not for mistakes on the other team at end of game?  Well answer is probably yes.  Giants and Daboll did the typical Daboll move, and lets forget about the PI or no PI on final play and just look at the stupidity of the final play call by Daboll.  

 

Only time for one play...so run or pass can be called here.  You are on the 1 yard line.  Your best player on your team is a RB.  Your QB is a backup QB whose best traits are running with the ball and he hasn't played a meaningful game in years.  The Bills are missing their All-Pro LB and best DT, and even before they got hurt were giving up a hefty YPC to the run game.  

 

So what does Daboll do?  The exact opposite of what he should do, which was an issue he had while here too.  Should have just handed it to your best player in Saquan or if you do want to throw it, why not roll TT out so he has the option to run if the pass isn't there?  

 

Then the Bucs game...lets be honest, if Godwin sees the ball we lose.  This was a game we essentially dominated, but terrible decisions by Dorsey over shadow the positive changes the offense saw.  Coming away with 0 points because instead of a sneak on the goalline, Dorsey once again calls a run from shotgun with an ancient RB that loses yards again on 3rd down forcing a 4th and goal situation now too far out to sneak it with Allen.  

 

This time, he doesn't get bailed out with a 4th down TD and this one play would have been the difference in the game had Godwin seen the hail mary and made the catch.  Then there were a few other moments that were head scratching in the 2nd half where we saw our offense get slowed down to just 1 2nd half score and helped create this hail mary opportunity for the Bucs.  

 

So not only was it a poor hail mary defense, it was also a play that should never had mattered in the first place had we not been so stupid to cost ourselves more points in this game.  Honestly this should have been a blow out.  

Josh’s interception was a killer too…

 

It’s not just on Dorsey 

[Big Blitz]

Why are we rushing 4 guys in these situations is absurd to me.  
 

Put 9 guys back there.  Rush 2.  Should have been doing that from play 1 of the Bucs last possession.