TB / Buffalo Postgame thread

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

50 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said:

win didn't inspire any confidence  Honestly I have zero confidence in the Bills being able to overcome McDermott's nonsense  Bucs game coming down to a hail mary seems ridiculous

‘Coming down to a Hail Mary’ is still a ridiculous statement to me haha the jags absolutely dominated us and we had a shot at a hook and ladder play for the win does that mean we almost won? Literally every little bounce/break went the bucs way until the final moments and that’s the closest they came 
 

i have no problem with people being critical of things but there were objectively quite a few positives last night as well 

[34-78-83]

40 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

I don’t remember 2 missed targets unless they’re counting deflection interception by Winfield as a target to kincaid.  Nonetheless, Kincaid needs the ball more.  He’s catching 90% of his targets. 

Exactly.... Which is also why catches per target is kind of an empty stat. Catches per targets that are catch-able would be much more of a telling stat with regard to the reliability of a receiver.

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I'll also add to this thought, I firmly believe Elam is a better player than the Bills have allowed him to be. And the coaching is doing more to ruin him than develop him.

 

Weird that coaching is ruining Elam. Same coaching staff that has done excellent building Levi Wallace, Dane Jackson and Christian Benford at the same position. But it's just Elam that they ruin. 

[Big Turk]

Steph saying a little endzone prayer pre-game..

 

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

Just now, BuffaloBillyG said:

Weird that coaching is ruining Elam. Same coaching staff that has done excellent building Levi Wallace, Dane Jackson and Christian Benford at the same position. But it's just Elam that they ruin. 

Assuming that’s sarcasm I completely agree 😂 it’s tough to tell sometimes around these parts lol 

[DrDawkinstein]

3 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Weird that coaching is ruining Elam. Same coaching staff that has done excellent building Levi Wallace, Dane Jackson and Christian Benford at the same position. But it's just Elam that they ruin. 

 

They can get better play out of lesser players, but have trouble getting players with decent pedigrees where they need to be.

 

Every player is different, and needs different things. I'm sure plenty of the blame is on Elam. But I dont trust McD much with his early assessments.

 

Similar to the line "Sean McDermott is the type of coach who can take a bottom-5 roster to a wild card. But also the type of coach who will take a top-5 roster to the wild card".

[starrymessenger]

Deonte Harty is pretty fast and shifty for a guy who many thought was slowing down. What we saw yesterday was what Beane thought he was getting when he signed him. Maybe he could even have a role in the offence. Who would have thought.

[JaCrispy]

1 hour ago, DuckyBoys said:

win didn't inspire any confidence  Honestly I have zero confidence in the Bills being able to overcome McDermott's nonsense  Bucs game coming down to a hail mary seems ridiculous

Once you let go, you will find peace…

 

[Big Turk]

Did someone say Kincaid can't block??

 

He just absolutely annihilated Shaq Barrett on this rep.

 

 

Edited October 27, 2023 by Big Turk

[Don Otreply]

59 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I think the Tampa style of defense contributed to the Bills success. They are a heavy blitz team and a pass funnel defense. 

 

The Bills coaching game plan and play calling was excellent. The players execution was atva high level. 

 

I wonder if the Bills can maintain this kind of offense going forward. Any thoughts from smarter people than myself? 

I wonder this as well, imo, spreading the passes around makes the Bills harder to defend against, and likely will lead to more success, maybe that’s just me,

 

GO BILLS!!!

[WhoTom]

13 hours ago, Cray51 said:

Dorsey called an incredibly good game today.  Like very very good.

 

Except for a certain 3rd-and-goal situation ... followed by a certain 4th-and-goal situation.

[jkeerie]

3 hours ago, boyst said:

penalties do happen. we should not have been in that position

I do agree that the offense got too conservative in that 4th quarter.  I really didn't take issue with the punts since TB was having a really hard time moving the football into Bills territory.  We've seen McD go for it numerous times on 4th down against better offensive teams.  Even Josh admitted the offense should not have left the defense in that position and that they need to "close games out on their own terms."

[DapperCam]

I think force feeding Diggs was a version of the offense being conservative. Usually that is a guaranteed completion and the clock keeps moving. Didn't really work out last night though.

[Warcodered]

2 hours ago, Roundybout said:

I really can’t believe how lucky the Bucs got last night, between Josh’s interception, the Evans touchdown boinking off Benford’s helmet, the 2-point conversion, Poyer dropping an easy pick-6….

Poyer almost had two picks there was another one he missed, then you add in the 4th down penalties, the Buccaneers getting within range of winning that game was a miracle.

 

Not to mention our own kneecapping of our offense because we wanted to "burn clock" which was incredibly effective seeing how we had to give the ball to the other team. 🙄

[Success]

Seems pretty obvious now - if Beane makes a trade, it's gotta be on the defensive side of the ball.

 

The D is SO different than it was the 1st few games.  Which makes sense, losing 3 top guys. But that's going to be a weakness until we add players, either via trade or returning from injury.

 

[dpberr]

Last night's game showed McDermott is a good NFL coach, but not a great one.

 

Good coaches can often get the job done.  Great coaches don't allow that game to end like it did.

 

He was only saved last night by playing one of the few NFL coaches who strategizes more conservatively than he does.  

[Warcodered]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

I was pleasantly surprised and, at times, almost shocked by the Bills offense last night. It was like night and day from what we've seen the past few weeks. Things that stood out:

- Felt like the 2020-2021 offense again. Spread, tempo, quick decisions

- Speaking of quick decisions, at one point the broadcast showed that it was Allen's fastest EVER time-to-throw in his career. Impressive.

- THAT was the Khalil Shakir we all thought we would be getting on draft day. If he can be THAT guy moving forward? Huge.

- The biggest surprise of all: Gabe Davis! I have NEVER seen him look like that in a game. To be moved around like that, to be featured, to be making contributions in the short and intermediate game like that. Where has THAT been his whole career? As I said with Shakir, if Gabe can be THAT guy moving forward? Huge.

- Kincaid and Cook. Youngsters showing up and showing out.

- Actually, the offensive production mostly belonged to younger guys last night. Cook, Kincaid, Shakir, and even Davis is only 24 years old. Youth movement on offense. Love to see it.

- Well-called game by Dorsey. Didn't love that they sort of called the dogs off in the second half and got more conservative. Hopefully almost losing the game will teach them not to do that any more.

- Getting Josh Allen to the line early -- like with, say, 20 seconds on the play clock -- is key. The players spoke about it throughout the week, and then sure enough, they made an effort to do it last night. I hope it's here to stay. The Bills are a different offense when this happens, and Allen is a different quarterback. He looked fully in command last night, fully confident, and fully in rhythm. I think the tempo and getting to the line early were big reasons why.

 

All in all, returning to their offensive roots + spread formations + getting different targets involved + tempo + getting to the line early + confident Josh = very fun viewing.

Oh and, by the way: When the offense is actually producing and moving the ball, the rest it gives the defense allows the defense to look MUCH better and more effective. And speaking of defense, let me just say: I really, REALLY hope that that chaotic craziness that the front seven was showing before many plays last night is here to stay. The double A-gap stuff, the simulated pressures, all of it. Awesome. Great gameplan by McDermott, too.

 

I hope if nothing else the players take ownership of it and reinforce how effective it clearly was, because for whatever reason we did move away from it. Then even after the Bucs crazy lucky ass drive we still stayed away, even though we just needed to last long enough to be able to burn the clock on downs. So we just needed to convert a couple first downs.

[Warcodered]

37 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

Did someone say Kincaid can't block??

 

He just absolutely annihilated Shaq Barrett on this rep.

 

 

I know that's been the narrative about him coming out, but I remember in preseason he looked a lot better than expected as a blocker.

[DuckyBoys]

yes the Bucs caught a ton of breaks/lucky bounces to have a shot at the ending but the Bills allowed it with bad play calls, lack of discipline on defense  and taking their foot off the gas too soon  All trademarks of McDermott

[Marv Levy]

I know this is way late but in the second half I saw a "First and 18" going on. What was up with that? Did I miss a penalty?  I didn't understand what happened to make the first down that weird combo. Anybody?